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Onmi posted:The stupid meme's from yesteryear (I'd say this is before Awakening was announced) were. Of course, now we know the short hair is evidence Shanna is a girl, and in fact, the girl with the best hair in all of Fire Emblem. Just goes to show.
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remember when some gamefaqs nerds were so enamored by gheb, some one-off boss from FE8, that they made a hack starring him filled to the brim with rape and loli jokes
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Jun 28, 2018 12:42
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:remember when some gamefaqs nerds were so enamored by gheb, some one-off boss from FE8, that they made a hack starring him filled to the brim with rape and loli jokes Thanks to extensive therapy, I can safely say I do not.
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Are defensive pair-ups in Fates ever actually useful? Offensive pair-ups have been really helpful so far, especially with enemy range management, but I’ve never felt like losing a unit would be a worthwhile trade off for a few defensive stats. Also: holy poo poo Takumi. Turns out all you needed to make a good archer was an unbreakable 14-mt proof bow.
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wocobob posted:Are defensive pair-ups in Fates ever actually useful? Offensive pair-ups have been really helpful so far, especially with enemy range management, but I’ve never felt like losing a unit would be a worthwhile trade off for a few defensive stats. They're useful if you need a unit to take a lot of hits on the enemy phase, since they prevent enemy dual attacks.
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wocobob posted:Are defensive pair-ups in Fates ever actually useful? Offensive pair-ups have been really helpful so far, especially with enemy range management, but I’ve never felt like losing a unit would be a worthwhile trade off for a few defensive stats. You’re on Birthright from the sounds of it so the benefits aren’t terribly obvious compared to Conquest at the roughly equivalent point, but yeah, the benefits are helpful when you’re expecting one unit to endure extended abuse due to it no-selling enemy offensive pairups and the guard counter. Basically it’s for endgame as far as Birthright is concerned and ferrying units around, but it’ll have its occasional uses besides that.
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daermon posted:SF3 was severely hurt by only being on the Sega Saturn and iirc half of it was only available in Japan. It's a great series that was hampered by being on the wrong system for way too long. There's about 20 games in the series with far too many remakes and Japanese exclusives. Many of the more recent entries are action RPGs which further ruins the brand. It's not just that ShF3 was on the wrong console - halfway through the production of scenario 2, the team pretty much got axed. This is why scenario 2's promotion portraits are just recolors, half the plot doesn't have anything to do with the overarching story, and scenario 3's promotion portraits look like bad Sonic the Hedgehog fanart. wocobob posted:Are defensive pair-ups in Fates ever actually useful? Offensive pair-ups have been really helpful so far, especially with enemy range management, but I’ve never felt like losing a unit would be a worthwhile trade off for a few defensive stats. You're absolutely going to need to make use of it in Conquest. I'm pretty sure you can beat Birthright just using auto-battle.
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Let's play a game Are we in range of attacking the dragon with our 1-2 weapon? No we're one tile too high
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wocobob posted:Are defensive pair-ups in Fates ever actually useful? Offensive pair-ups have been really helpful so far, especially with enemy range management, but I’ve never felt like losing a unit would be a worthwhile trade off for a few defensive stats. defense pairups are extremely useful in birthright. for one thing you aren't getting just defensive stats, it depends on class and character. berserker charlotte gives +5 str +3 speed, which is an insane boost. some classes also give move, which is obviously useful. and more than that you can use it to transport a unit more quickly, usually with fliers.
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Jun 28, 2018 16:34
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i meant to type 'useful in conquest'
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Jun 28, 2018 16:36
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@Onmi - That remake looks rear end ugly.
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inthesto posted:It's not just that ShF3 was on the wrong console - halfway through the production of scenario 2, the team pretty much got axed. This is why scenario 2's promotion portraits are just recolors, half the plot doesn't have anything to do with the overarching story, and scenario 3's promotion portraits look like bad Sonic the Hedgehog fanart. Sadly I've never played it. My enjoyment of Sega began and ended with the Genesis. I did play one of the Shining Games for the PS2 but I immediately returned it when I realized it was an action RPG. There's a new Shining game being released for the Switch next month. I may look into it.
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It's bizarre how the lack of visual clarity was something introduced to RotDD and not present in any of the other games (except ShF3, but that was the first 3D game and you could rotate the camera anyway). Compare Omni's screenshot to this, which is most likely the same map: You know exactly where everything sits and how far it is from everything else. The GBA remake really beefed that single incredibly important thing. daermon posted:Sadly I've never played it. My enjoyment of Sega began and ended with the Genesis. I did play one of the Shining Games for the PS2 but I immediately returned it when I realized it was an action RPG. Shining Force 3 is worth a spin if you have the patience to make a Saturn emulator work. It has weapon ranks, supports, magic that isn't useless (easily the biggest problem in the series), bonus puzzle maps, and an engaging story. Sadly, the Shining brand has been repurposed for incredibly generic RPGs marketed towards anime dorks.
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inthesto posted:incredibly generic RPGs marketed towards anime dorks. 
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Jun 28, 2018 20:03
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I wish Fire Emblem-like SRPGs were so common the series could be called incredibly generic
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Jun 28, 2018 20:04
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cheetah7071 posted:I wish Fire Emblem-like SRPGs were so common the series could be called incredibly generic
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cheetah7071 posted:I wish Fire Emblem-like SRPGs were so common the series could be called incredibly generic It's weird how Fire Emblem basically invented the SRPG genre but very few games play much like it.
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I wish anyone at all other than Int Sys would make an SRPG that's decent. Fire Emblem is great but I wish the genre had anything at else in it. The closest thing is XCOM.
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Jun 28, 2018 20:26
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final fantasy tactics unironically ruined the genre
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Jun 28, 2018 20:28
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I think X-COM and Valkyria Chronicles are the only SRPG games besides Fire Emblem that I've played, liked, and would still like even if the story/aesthetics were crap
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Jun 28, 2018 20:32
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what about Ff tactics
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Jun 28, 2018 20:39
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I tried that once a long time ago and thought it was pretty garbage but I didn't get very far. It shared all of the things I hated about FFTA though and I played that one a lot more
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Jun 28, 2018 20:40
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I like FFTA and A2 but the ultra dour tone and boring political talk in original FFT basically put me to sleep so I never got very far in it. Tried a Tactics Ogre game semi-recently and had more or less the same experience with it.
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TriffTshngo posted:I like FFTA and A2 but the ultra dour tone and boring political talk in original FFT basically put me to sleep so I never got very far in it. Tried a Tactics Ogre game semi-recently and had more or less the same experience with it. You disliked the good one and liked the bad ones? Hell, you disliked the tone in FFT but liked "we hosed up the protagonist writing so hard he comes across as the big bad" FFTA? Weird. Anyways in SRPGs I really like Super Robot Wars, although it does want a love for Japanese robot franchises before you even get in. But now you can get them in English!
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Jun 28, 2018 21:12
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Disgaea, for certain readings of "strategy" games. Really though personally I just want another AW game.
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Blaze Dragon posted:You disliked the good one and liked the bad ones? Hell, you disliked the tone in FFT but liked "we hosed up the protagonist writing so hard he comes across as the big bad" FFTA? Weird. so glad this take from 2005 gamefaqs is still around
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The Shortest Path posted:I wish anyone at all other than Int Sys would make an SRPG that's decent. Fire Emblem is great but I wish the genre had anything at else in it. The closest thing is XCOM. If you like XCOM, you should unironically get Mario+Rabbids.
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Gamerofthegame posted:what about Ff tactics Endorph posted:final fantasy tactics unironically ruined the genre
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mandatory lesbian posted:so glad this take from 2005 gamefaqs is still around
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fft's a good game, tho tactics ogre is better. don't really want to play a bunch of games in that vein tho
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banner saga is top 10 worst games ive ever played and ill never stop being mad about how no mainstream outlet called that game out for its fundamentally broken mechanics itd be like if no mainstream outlet called out battlefield earth for how bad its cinematography was Manatee Cannon posted:fft's a good game, tho tactics ogre is better. don't really want to play a bunch of games in that vein tho
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idk enough about the subject to debate that so I'll take your word for it banner saga was terrible for sure tho. was super interested in that game until like half a minute into actually playing the srpg bit
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Honestly, what makes FE at its best unique for me is having a large cast of units that are individuals. They have names and designs and even when they share classes, the random level ups and different growths allow for two, say, mages to feel different. And that’s before any actual writing these characters might receive. Furthermore, since the series originally had permadeath and the games were balanced around this, you receive units at a very steady drip through the whole game, which is exciting for the player and also necessitates a large cast, which gives the players more chance to have a favorite. Not that every FE game does this right or that it’s the most important part of making a good FE game, but it’s what makes FE different from other SRPGs, including Intsys’ one Advance Wars.
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What cool pre-FFT SRPGs existed to get ruined by it This isn't a backhanded way of saying I don't think there are any, I want to know what they are so I can play them
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Endorph posted:fft is okay, but also it ruined the genre (i haven't played FFT)
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cheetah7071 posted:What cool pre-FFT SRPGs existed to get ruined by it Tactics Ogre
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hopeandjoy posted:Honestly, what makes FE at its best unique for me is having a large cast of units that are individuals. They have names and designs and even when they share classes, the random level ups and different growths allow for two, say, mages to feel different. And that’s before any actual writing these characters might receive. My take is actually that the most important thing to FE is the combat mechanics, which they basically nailed in FE1 and have only done minor tweaks to since. Counterattacks, follow ups, subtractive defense, short ranged attacks (capping at 2 range in normal circumstances when something like Disgaea caps at 5-7) and moving before attacking work together beautifully and I am not aware of any SRPG that has core mechanics even close to as solid Characters being unique instead of generic is a very very close second place though
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I thought Banner Saga was fantastic, so fence sitters might want to at least look at a stream or something.
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Smiling Knight posted:I thought Banner Saga was fantastic, so fence sitters might want to at least look at a stream or something. The mechanics probably function if you take them at face value and don't think about how to abuse them, but the gameplay is fundamentally broken if you do
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Matsuno games are good, actually
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