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Kim Justice posted:Thank you. Unless the dude has prader willi syndrome he must shoulder some of the blame for he weight issue I've been nothing but polite and understanding towards you, please don't insult me because I have a differing position to yours
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Ash Crimson posted:I've been nothing but polite and understanding towards you, please don't insult me because I have a differing position to yours You post on a dying internet comedy forum and expect what?
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Kim Justice posted:EDIT: Like, this isn't serious. I can't believe you'd put Milo UNDER a guy who at worst has South Park politics. Have you really never before encountered the idea that gutless centrists carrying water for the far right is more damaging than the far right itself? Whether you disagree or not, it’s not exactly some wild idea out of nowhere.
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Sio posted:Have you really never before encountered the idea that gutless centrists carrying water for the far right is more damaging than the far right itself? Whether you disagree or not, it’s not exactly some wild idea out of nowhere. Boogie literally thinks social progress should stall until bigots are on board/aren't so uncomfortable, which is at stark odds with history and reality. I doubt his opinions on trans acceptance and visibility are any better
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Just to play devil's advocate here but gently caress boogie and any other white male nerd that sits in the comfort of their home calling for both sides to be civil. Normalizing the alt right when the most abuse you'll ever get is a feminst video game critic gently scolding you is pathetic.
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Kim Justice posted:Boogie causes more harm than Milo, the guy who wrote all those Breitbart articles on GamerGate? Milo who took pride in driving people off of Twitter? Milo, the man whose very presence at talks was enough to start a loving riot? Milo who liked to publically out and dox non-famous trans people who were at the universities he was giving talks in, and was able to spout all of this poo poo over mainstream media? centrists have been complacent in or directly responsible for the destruction of various social safety nets, they make excuses for the far right by playing the 'both sides' bullshit, they've passed laws further entrenching the power of the ultra-rich, they voted for the formation of ice. centrists absolutely cause more harm than milo, especially american 'centrists' who are really just conservatives at this point anyway.
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Kim Justice posted:Also reading comprehension isn't really the issue here, it's a classic tactic. Even if you know you're completely in the wrong, try and change the angle.  Most people were just calling him a giant moron and rear end in a top hat that doesn't know history, not to mention all the useless "centrist" morons appeal to plenty more "reasonable" people who just want to keep the status quo or stop having to hear so much about those mean leftists being so aggressive when their opposition are literally neo-nazis. People like boogie propagate at best feelgood bullshit that helps nobody and more often, actively harmful history whitewashing when they push this "But civilityyyy is how we win" stupidity, like yeah sure civility, remember all those events where civility won the day and not civil unrest and constant pushback against oppression, oh you don't, I swear it's out there somewhere, either way please stop being mean to the nazis their memes are very comforting.
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I guess Rose Tico was wrong, and we actually do win by destroying what we hate rather than saving what we love.
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Uh, Kim, the one guy being a moron about Boogie's weight got probated for it. I agree that mocking a dude for his weight issues isn't cool, but you're kinda being very overdramatic about this.
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Can anyone tell me why people like this boogie guy at all? Everytime he comes up in any of the social media feeds I'm on he just seems like the biggest piece of poo poo lmao. Is it just gamers
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Can anyone tell me why people like this boogie guy at all? Everytime he comes up in any of the social media feeds I'm on he just seems like the biggest piece of poo poo lmao. Is it just gamers From what I remember, he got popular for screaming at Blizzard over Diablo 3 or something.
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Jun 29, 2018 18:17
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He's a dopey faux-positivity personality and video funnyman.
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Jun 29, 2018 18:20
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when boogie weighs in on the issues, he really... blames the deaths of gay people on gay marriage being legal too soon
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Yardbomb posted:He's a dopey faux-positivity personality and video funnyman. Sounds like a bitch to me op
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Why is Boogie worth defending at all. In fact, why is it worth considering anything Boogie says.
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WampaLord posted:Yea there's really no point in going "Shame on you, Milo!" because Milo is an admitted troll and doesn't give a gently caress or feel shame. The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. The issue seems less like, "let's be civil to the people who oppose us" and more so, "let's be civil to the people who are undecided or in the middle so that we don't push them further away."
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I can just imagine boogie at the stonewall riots, desperately begging them to wait until Obama gets into office to allow the gay marriages, pointing out to the police which ones to arrest
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Max Wilco posted:The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. The catch is that it’s seeming less and less reasonable to believe that Boogie is undecided, given how much benefit of the doubt he gives to the far right compared to anyone else. Dude’s just looking for validation. After a few times round the Internet, this radicalisation pattern seems quite familiar - see Scott Alexander, for instance. Dude’s already gone, and we’ve probably only got a little while until he starts retweeting the Fourteen Words.
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Max Wilco posted:The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. yes let's be civil to the dude who says that gay people should not have been in such a hurry to allow gay marriage to be legal if they didn't want to be murdered as much the people who are undecided and are actually worth reaching out to don't say poo poo like that
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Centrists are very rarely, if at all, actually people who are undecided and considering their options. Most of the time, they have simply decided that the status quo is good as is, and doesn't need to be changed. Edit - Being undecided is the kind of benefit of the doubt I'd give to teenagers/young adults, not a thirty old man on Youtube who thinks they're smart enough to give their takes on politics.
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Max Wilco posted:The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. The people who go rightward because someone wasn't ~civil~ with them were never going to move left in the first place, it's just a smokescreen that fuckwads pull out to excuse their burgeoning bigotry.
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So is Boogie even aware that the effort to legalize gay marriage was already a very long and hard-fought thing by the time the law was passed? He seems to think it just came out of nowhere one day and surprised everyone. Yeah, affecting real social change is a slow process but there’s no reason to add even more time onto a generations-long struggle just to appease some spiteful fundamentalists. I’m all for giving both sides of a conflict a chance to make their case, but that only applies when both sides are prepared to back up their positions with logic. You can’t do that with the anti-gay-marriage camp because their position isn’t based on logic but on their warped religious beliefs. Max Wilco posted:The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. I would generally agree with this, but as others have pointed out I don’t think Boogie can really be called undecided at this point. If he really was neutral and didn’t want to get involved, he’d do exactly that and just not say anything. As it is, he’s said some very stupid things lately and he deserves to get called out for doing so.
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drat I just saw that he was on a H3 podcast. Can’t gently caress with that
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H3 lost me finally when he was too proud to apologize for saying dumb poo poo when despite him stating he didn’t mean it. Like fine if you didn’t mean it, I believe that, but you don’t get to choose if you think you’ve bothered someone or not. If he didn’t do anything I’d probably like him more, but he did that angry whiny video it.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:In fact, why is it worth considering anything Boogie says. The correct answer edit: Like, I only ever hear anything about this dude when he says a Wrong Thing, and there's already plenty of nerds who do that. I get that he use to be something but it'd be about as interesting as if someone pointed out that whoever played the Grimace said a Wrong Thing. Oh, an extremely niche internet person made a dumbass tweet and did nothing else, better let the Internet People thread know this important intel! Meanwhile while y'all are relitigating the dumbass civility argument, here's some actually interesting and on-topic content! Sideways done a new video on Fantasia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZIECBqtZNk Gaming Historian showcases some Hudson/Nintendo PC Games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPqMzDTqbTs Puppy Time fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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Max Wilco posted:The problem I see is that if you were to shame Boogie, or present most anything the thread's said about him so far directly to him, it might not necessarily pull him back towards the left. Actually lets go back; what possible benefit could a gaming YouTuber in his mid 40s bring to the left?
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Roth posted:Centrists are very rarely, if at all, actually people Indeed
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Gorn Myson posted:Actually lets go back; what possible benefit could a gaming YouTuber in his mid 40s bring to the left? Someone with four and a half million subscribers could probably help with getting your message out. In theory, anyway. There’s no way Boogie would actually do it.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Can anyone tell me why people like this boogie guy at all? Everytime he comes up in any of the social media feeds I'm on he just seems like the biggest piece of poo poo lmao. Is it just gamers If I recall, the Francis sketches were pretty funny in the early days of Youtube and he also did a lot to help people with losing weight and by being open about how much being obese hosed him up physically and mentally (I didn't actually watch his vlogs and stuff, so I don't know have first hand experience on how that was handled). He it seemed that he had a lot of goodwill that he seems to be flushing down the toilet with Bad Opinions™.
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I'm just here with my popcorn and contempt watching Boogie become more openly fascist going like "wow, he's really being an rear end in a top hat. Maybe he should stop that and apologize." Annointed fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jun 29, 2018 |
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Max Wilco posted:Boogie is a lost cause. Yeah, that’s probably something he also has spicy takes on. Or will have in a couple of weeks, given his current trajectory.
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Rantasmo did a thing about Straight Pride that's pretty entertaining: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjMrp8LeOno
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For whatever it's worth, and pretty much the last thing I'm going to say on the whole thing, is that he did walk back a lot of the "Oh give it 20 years" crap that he said after having a discussion with an IRL friend about it who was kinda pissed off. Apparently he realised that the example he went to of Harvey Milk (someone he admires) kinda works against him seeing as despite all of his qualities he was gunned down, and recognises that more action now can actually be a good thing and that people really aren't going to be happy at all with "just be patient"...so y'know, steps in a better direction? Hopefully. Another good step would be "time to not talk about politics anymore and do less controversial things" but heeeeeeeeeeyyyyy hooooo But there's not really much more worth discussing. Here's something worth discussing - Dan Bell's almighty Another Dirty Room series is back! Here's the first episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2eNqj8spa4 And here's the second, fresh out today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjTqddZMBR0
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Alaois posted:enough of this boobery, LGR got a Gizmondo I knew about this thing. I was in high school when this launched. It was so weird because I had heard about it from magazines at the time and thought there was this crazy world of handheld gaming outside of Nintendo (and Sony's upcoming handheld.) It sounded like it was some kind of handheld specifically for adults. I never saw one in person and didn't even know where it was sold. And then I was really confused when Gizmondo came out around the same time, and I kept thinking they were like a magazine dedicated to Gizmodo or something. Remember the aptly named Phantom? It would have let you play PC games on your TV! What a novel concept. I'd love an LGR vaporware special on that.
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Max Wilco posted:Boogie is a lost cause. yeah. personally i dont think he will go full fash, though he is certenly as useful idiot for them. He is to much of coward/people pleaser to pick a side outright.
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Anthony Fantano, the Needle Drop, reviews Death Grips' latest LP, Year Of the Snitch.
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I Before E posted:when boogie weighs in on the issues Wow, enjoy your sixer
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