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JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



ihop posted:

Question for the upper belts: what percentage of amateurs do you think make it to black belt without suffering some major injury. Something requiring surgery or a lengthy recovery, like ankles, knees, hips, shoulders or back/neck?

If 1% of people who start jiu jitsu make it to black belt. 100% of them got injured.

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

CommonShore posted:

I've done a bit of yoga on and off over the last 6 years or so and 100% the main thing is getting a teacher or instructor you like.

Fair enough. I wish I had more hours in the day to do both yoga and bjj.

Also congrats. I think I've gone about a full month now of no missed classes since I got a good knee support and found out what i nees to do to make my knee not flame up in pain everyday. I want to ask if I can stay later on Fridays and do the 9pm class on top of the 730pm one I do but the guys who help me translate haven't been around much lately :(

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jun 29, 2018

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oh and on the topic of yoga, i have the app DownDog which is pretty decent for quick sessions you can have on your phone. Useful for me when I go on backpacking trips.

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Fallen Rib
My gym is moving next week about 10 miles closer to me and I'm so excited to have a shorter trip. I think I'll be able to attend class much more regularly and often.

Also we will finally actually legit jiu-jitsu mats not crossfit/wrestling puzzle piece style mats.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

JaySB posted:

If 1% of people who start jiu jitsu make it to black belt. 100% of them got injured.

I have've met a brown or a black belt yet that hasnt popped their intercostal cartilage on their rib (which hurts way more than just bruising it).

Its like some sort of rite of passage for it to happen at some point in your jiu jitsu journey.

L0cke17
Nov 29, 2013

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

I have've met a brown or a black belt yet that hasnt popped their intercostal cartilage on their rib (which hurts way more than just bruising it).

Its like some sort of rite of passage for it to happen at some point in your jiu jitsu journey.

I had that happen just a couple months ago! It's really not pleasant. It hurt way worse than actually just breaking a rib without injuring the cartilege around it as much.

I also finally saw a specialist about my neck injury. Turns out it really was fractured cartilege on my throat. Recovery time 6-10 weeks before it's healed (so only another 1-5 weeks :barf:). Up to 6 months until the discomfort goes away. But they did say I could get choked again in a couple weeks without risking it getting more damaged.

Also yesterday I almost tapped my first purple belt. It was the very end of the roll after he had already tapped me like 6 times. He tried to do the move from the class (a sweep from open guard) but was sitting too upright and I locked in a really tight guillotine and rolled with him and ended up with him on top but the choke still locked in. Then the round timer went off a few seconds later. He said it was probably going to get him if the bell hadn't sounded. Not sure if he was being nice or if I actually had him there but I'd like to think I was doing something right.

Odddzy
Oct 10, 2007
Once shot a man in Reno.

L0cke17 posted:

Also yesterday I almost tapped my first purple belt. It was the very end of the roll after he had already tapped me like 6 times. He tried to do the move from the class (a sweep from open guard) but was sitting too upright and I locked in a really tight guillotine and rolled with him and ended up with him on top but the choke still locked in. Then the round timer went off a few seconds later. He said it was probably going to get him if the bell hadn't sounded. Not sure if he was being nice or if I actually had him there but I'd like to think I was doing something right.

Take it as truth, no reason to lie.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

L0cke17 posted:

I had that happen just a couple months ago! It's really not pleasant. It hurt way worse than actually just breaking a rib without injuring the cartilege around it as much.

I felt like I couldnt breathe. It was horrible, but I lived through it.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I've done poo poo like that 5 times at different levels of severity - two tears and three kinda-break-kinda separation things, most recently March 20-something.


Anyone have any good counter-defense tips for guillotines? I'm quite good at getting the head wrap, and extremely effective at finishing (Marcello and/or Karel Pravek style) if I get the proper leg position, but often enough I get the head wrapped and fail to get the legs into place and my opponents manage to get cross body, or at least enough in a favourable direction that they can hand fight and work their way out. None of my instructors or mentors are really guillotine guys.

I feel as if prioritizing the over-the-back leg (once I have the neck) and fighting for the knee shield might work, but it seems like it's a system with more moving parts.

Any ideas or suggestions?

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

The new Lachlan Giles DVD is what you’re after. His solutions to people going cross-body before his legs are in position are:

Arm-out guillotine: Switch to a Marcelotine with the high elbow on the side they’re passing to, using it as a block to keep them in place until you get the tap:


Arm-in guillotine: He clamps his seatbelt-or-whatever you’d call it tightly and sweeps them over into inverted north south (the anaconda finishing position where you’re face up)




In both cases they’re fast and reactive, happening during the transition, because you’re hosed if they finish the pass. He prioritizes the bottom leg over the top leg, btw.

02-6611-0142-1 fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 30, 2018

Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.
i've got to get that giles dvd.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


02-6611-0142-1 posted:

The new Lachlan Giles DVD is what you’re after. His solutions to people going cross-body before his legs are in position are:

Arm-out guillotine: Switch to a Marcelotine with the high elbow on the side they’re passing to, using it as a block to keep them in place until you get the tap:


Arm-in guillotine: He clamps his seatbelt-or-whatever you’d call it tightly and sweeps them over into inverted north south (the anaconda finishing position where you’re face up)




In both cases they’re fast and reactive, happening during the transition, because you’re hosed if they finish the pass. He prioritizes the bottom leg over the top leg, btw.

That poo poo is totally my jam. Thinking about snagging that.

I've realized though that my favourite place to learn moves is BJJ Scout study videos. For some reason seeing breakdowns of people landing poo poo in competition makes it click for me. I absorbed every single detail from the Yoshida ones.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

CommonShore posted:

That poo poo is totally my jam. Thinking about snagging that.

I've realized though that my favourite place to learn moves is BJJ Scout study videos. For some reason seeing breakdowns of people landing poo poo in competition makes it click for me. I absorbed every single detail from the Yoshida ones.

Every section on the Giles DVD is followed by footage of him hitting it rolling against his training partners. And then there's an hour of narrated rolling footage at the end of the last DVD that includes a bunch of competition breakdowns, so give that man your money. It's the most well-organized DVD I've seen, I think, it designed to be used as a troubleshooting reference. I think if it hadn't been released at the same time as Danaher's DVD it would've received a lot more attention.

02-6611-0142-1 fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jun 30, 2018

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


Speaking of, when does 2.0 of danahers dvd come out?

JaySB
Nov 16, 2006



Drewjitsu posted:

Speaking of, when does 2.0 of danahers dvd come out?

It's been out

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Tacos Al Pastor posted:

I have've met a brown or a black belt yet that hasnt popped their intercostal cartilage on their rib (which hurts way more than just bruising it).

Its like some sort of rite of passage for it to happen at some point in your jiu jitsu journey.

11 years and knock on wood that's been my only real injury. In some ways it was helpful because I only separated it due to some bad habits. The pain helped me improve my body control.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
hell, only a few months in and I've already dislocated my thumb, sprained my ankle, and my back is killing me

By the time I have a colored belt I am probably gonna be looking like a mummy under all the athletic tape

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"
:toot::birddrugs::toot:

Xguard86 posted:

11 years and knock on wood that's been my only real injury. In some ways it was helpful because I only separated it due to some bad habits. The pain helped me improve my body control.

Just think, it was only yesterday (over a DECADE ago) that we vowed to start training so we could kick Matt Hughes' rear end.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Well I feel dumb. Ordered a gi off Amazon from Fuji that was on sale (im a bit too big for the stores in Seoul so I have to get stuff sent from the US) and its for an even bigger person. Its a judo gi and their size chart said my dimensions are a 5 but this feels like I'd be a 4 given how much bigger the gi fits.

Hope I can either get it to shrink in the wash or a tailor an hem it a bit.

Maybe worst case I can pick a gi up in Japan when I go in September.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Jul 1, 2018

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Captain Log posted:

Just think, it was only yesterday (over a DECADE ago) that we vowed to start training so we could kick Matt Hughes' rear end.

Given subsequent events that has taken an unexpectedly possible but very dark turn.

Captain Log
Oct 2, 2006

Captain Log posted:

"I AINT DYING! Choo choo motherfucker!"
:toot::birddrugs::toot:

Xguard86 posted:

Given subsequent events that has taken an unexpectedly possible but very dark turn.

Holy poo poo! I could have a Cripple Fight with Matt Hughes since his accident!

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Mekchu posted:

Well I feel dumb. Ordered a gi off Amazon from Fuji that was on sale (im a bit too big for the stores in Seoul so I have to get stuff sent from the US) and its for an even bigger person. Its a judo gi and their size chart said my dimensions are a 5 but this feels like I'd be a 4 given how much bigger the gi fits.

Hope I can either get it to shrink in the wash or a tailor an hem it a bit.

Maybe worst case I can pick a gi up in Japan when I go in September.

Judo gis tend to shrink a bit. How tall are you? I'm asking because I've become the double-weave haberdasher in my neck of the woods.

Also the basic quick check for judo gi sizing is to relax your arms to the sides, bend your wrists so your palms are parallel to the ground, and then swing your arms up in front of you til theyh're level. When you do that the gi should come up to the knob on your wrist. It could just be that you have a gi that fits properly, and you're just not used to judo fit.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I'm 6'0" at 190lbs so the size chart said a size 5 is what I want.

To shrink the gi without a dryer, gonna guess hot water is the ideal over cold water?

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jul 1, 2018

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oh and apparently Kurt Osiander did an event that was streamed on YouTube? Gonna check it out.

Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIlv_Yf-VA

butros
Aug 2, 2007

I believe the signs of the reptile master


^^^^thanks. Production value is actually not that bad.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Mekchu posted:

I'm 6'0" at 190lbs so the size chart said a size 5 is what I want.

To shrink the gi without a dryer, gonna guess hot water is the ideal over cold water?

It will shrink a cm or two even with cold/hang dry. Fuji is a good brand so it'll probably be less. Hot/hang will do a bit more.

Where/how does it not fit? How far off is it? I'm 5'8" 155 and size 4s can be too small for me if they shrink. I typically order 4s or 4.5s for myself. I 100% would have ordered a 5 for someone your size. I'm wondering if it's mislablled.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I did the arm trick you suggested and it stays past the bulge of my wrist by about a quarter to a half inch. Then there's just a lot of looseness around my upper body. If I wear it, there's maybe 2 to 3 inches it hands from my arm if i hold it out. The pants also have to be pulled up to past my navel for them to not be dragging on the ground.

I don't doubt Fuji makes great gis, this definitely seems like its well made but maybe it was mislabeled but I haven't ever had Fuji send me the wrong size when I got other gear off them. I'll try washing it this week and see if i can get it to shrink some.

On the plus side the belt that came in the pack fits me, so I at least have a spare belt to use if my other one doesn't dry fast enough in a day.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


Well remember that judo gis fit a lot bigger and looser than BJJ gis. Is it possible that it was not the fit you were expecting? I can see someone who is used to BJJ fit feeling as if a judo gi is a circus tent (just as people who are used to karate/tkd gis feel as if a judo or BJJ gi is made out of cardboard).

For reference here's Travis Stevens in a blue judo gi



vs a blue BJJ gi



The BJJ gi has way less loose space around the wrists and chest, and the gi tail is quite a bit shorter.

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans
Yeah a 5 ought to be pretty close for you. I'm 5'11" 180lbs and although I usually buy fuji 4s, they eventually shrink too far for high-level competition (no one gives a poo poo at practice/local tournaments.)

A hot wash and dry might shrink the sleeves up to 1-2 inches so you should be good to go.

Judo gis are also designed to look/feel unflattering on everyone.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Ah yeah true. Maybe its just fine but I'm too used to BJJ gis the overall size/cut is throwing me off.

Ghetto Blaster
Jul 25, 2006

ihop posted:

Yeah a 5 ought to be pretty close for you. I'm 5'11" 180lbs and although I usually buy fuji 4s, they eventually shrink too far for high-level competition (no one gives a poo poo at practice/local tournaments.)

A hot wash and dry might shrink the sleeves up to 1-2 inches so you should be good to go.

Judo gis are also designed to look/feel unflattering on everyone.

Is there limit to how tight fitting you can go with your gi in some competitions? I’ve be often thought it would be an advantage to wear a smaller gi.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Ghetto Blaster posted:

Is there limit to how tight fitting you can go with your gi in some competitions? I’ve be often thought it would be an advantage to wear a smaller gi.

I have weird giant quads that basically mean I have to do 5 pants and 4 kimonos. I ended up getting a smaller kimono because a 5 kimono was too loose and I kept getting collar choked real easy

ihop
Jul 23, 2001
King of the Mexicans

Ghetto Blaster posted:

Is there limit to how tight fitting you can go with your gi in some competitions? I’ve be often thought it would be an advantage to wear a smaller gi.

You probably can't get away with a bjj gi in any judo competition. For the reason you just mentioned. Tighter, shorter sleeves are tougher to grab on to.

The rules for competition judo gi fitment are actually very specific. What most referees will be looking for is basically sleeves that end near the wrist bone and are wide enough to fit four fingers inside. Similar for the pants.

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I've actually seen competitors removed from the mats at local/regional judo tournaments for having a too-small gi. As refs we're usually instructed to just give it an eye test and be pretty forgiving before walking over and inspecting, but people still show up with poo poo that's obviously a size too small. Typically what happens is they're told that they have 4 minutes (one match length) to go find a proper one or they're DQed.

At competitive stream tournaments you need to show up with two IJF approved gis (white and blue), and if you walk onto the mat with one that isn't approved and properly fitting, you're instantly DQed.

Tacos Al Pastor
Jun 20, 2003

Marching Powder posted:

i've got to get that giles dvd.

Same here, and the back control DVD that Lord Danaher is working on. My back control absolutely sucks.

Xguard86 posted:

11 years and knock on wood that's been my only real injury. In some ways it was helpful because I only separated it due to some bad habits. The pain helped me improve my body control.

The moment it happened to me I knew I had hosed up big time. Your ribcage should never just taco during a normal roll.

Tacos Al Pastor fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Jul 4, 2018

CommonShore
Jun 6, 2014

A true renaissance man


I've talked myself into waiting for a sale for the Giles stuff.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I bought the Craig Jones DVD and have had zero chance to watch it. Gonna wait at least until the winter to get another DVD so I can put some time into it.

Digital Jedi
May 28, 2007

Fallen Rib
After 2 1/2 years since I started training and probably a good 40% of it injured or not training I finally was promoted to blue belt. However I don't my actual belt till next Tuesday.

Pretty crazy I got it. Best advice is stick with it.

Wangsbig
May 27, 2007

my review of the giles dvd: its good

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Marching Powder
Mar 8, 2008



stop the fucking fight, cornerman, your dude is fucking done and is about to be killed.

Wangsbig posted:

my review of the giles dvd: its good

i'd expect nothing less. his kimura from half guard youtube video is disgustingly effective even when executed by people who are terrible.

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