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To bring feathers talk around to the topic, there's a dude on the 'Tube called TREY the Explainer who does a lot of paleontology videos, and he did a pretty nice deep dive on feathers and dinosaurs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGAixpQcqdU
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Jul 5, 2018 15:32
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Gorn Myson posted:For all its faults, Jurassic Park 3 has some entertaining set pieces and its done and dusted within 90 minutes. Its not going down on any list as the best of anything, but its fun for what it is and doesn't overstay its welcome. I just can't get past the child surviving on his own for 8 weeks because he read a book. Or the way the parents trick Dr. Grant into taking them to the island. Or the pointless side character who steals the eggs. Or the Spinosaurus being able to go right through the huge steel fences, but being stopped by a rusty shack with a door jam. Or
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Jul 5, 2018 15:42
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It was a bad movie that is subtextually about being roped into making a bad movie, made by actors who clearly don't want to be there. It's wonderful.
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Jul 5, 2018 15:56
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Feathered dinos are cool as hell, stuff like cassowaries and bearded vultures already look like something that escaped from dinosaur times.
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Jul 5, 2018 16:15
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You're thinking of Dreamquest of Unknown Kaddath (or another member of his Dream Cycle) and The Thing on the Doorstep, respectively There's also Through the gates of the Silver Key.
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Jul 5, 2018 16:17
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Garrand posted:Obligatory I love my extinct bird son
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Jul 5, 2018 16:18
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Garrand posted:Obligatory Why'd they scrunch its neck up though?
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Jul 5, 2018 16:31
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I really want there to be a good Dinotopia that's structured more like a fictional documentary and uses CGI sparingly in favor of practical effects. That book had some of the most beautiful art I've seen in a children's book and I'd love to see it actually come to life.
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Jul 5, 2018 16:37
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Garrand posted:Obligatory Man Hatoful Boyfriend got weird so youtube is now trying to sell me on Walkman's stuff and he has an official NC episode on the Bartman music video. It has the full intro and an outro. I can't diss the outro, as its for charity. But the video barely breaks the 10 minute mark removing them. And it really is just him making snarky comments constantly over the music video. Also who are these team top 5 guys? Did they hire even more people?
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Jul 5, 2018 16:46
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achillesforever6 posted:They are when the paleoartist goes overboard, but most actually look pretty cool; I think a big problem is that for some reason they give them complex feathers when for most dinosaurs the feathers were pretty simple. That... depends. Some of the most famous dinosaurs, namely Dromaeosaurs that include things like Velociraptor, Utharaptor and Deinonychus almost certainly had extremely complex feathers that run the whole gamut from simple downy feathers to proper pennaceous feathers that would be used in flight by birds. By the end of the Cretaceous these dinosaurs were some of the most important land predators around, honestly if they were alive today I think that they would probably be classified with birds and popularly thought of as birds just based on their appearance, certainly they're much closer in terms of their evolutionary relationships to the crow mincing around outside your window than something like a Triceratops or Diplodocus. Getting beyond joke images like my avatar, Emily Willoughby is one of my favorite paleoartists who tries to more realistically represent feathered dinosaurs and here's one of her pieces concerning Dakotaraptor:  Things like Troodontids (popularly seen as the 'smartest' dinosaurs, though that's not saying much sadly) are even closer to birds than Dromaeosaurs so were also extremely feathery, it annoys me a lot when people reconstruct these particular dinosaurs without feathers since they always end up looking like they just came out of a dinosaur concentration camp and it's really pathetic. Finally, some other groups like Oviraptors and the utterly bizarre Scansoriopterygids like Yi Qi (they are literally Dinosaur bats! It so weird!) had pennaceous feathers and we know surprisingly large dinosaurs like Yutyrannus and various types of Therizinosaur had thick, albeit pretty primitive feathers. Yutyrannus is important since, as the name implies, it was a large Tyrannosaurid and its thick covering is one of the best bits of evidence that T-Rex probably had something, though recent research has limited where T-Rex probably had feathers a fair bit. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Jul 5, 2018 17:19
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khwarezm posted:Yeah, it really wasn't. Here's a challenge, try to come up with any possible storyline for a Jurassic Park movie that isn't either utterly hokey schlock or just retreading what happens in the first movie. Jurassic Park, but it actually works out like in Jurassic World, except that there's no contrived reason for the park to break down; it's just a functional theme park used a thematic backdrop for a human drama. Maybe someone dies or is horribly injured at some point, but if so, it's a one-off incident played as a tragic theme park accident and not "here's the spooky monster disaster action you came for!". It'd have to happen fairly early in the movie, and the rest of the movie would be built on the characters grappling with the incident emotionally and legally. Basically Jurassic World if it were A) good and B) didn't become an action-adventure movie at any point. "Jurassic Island PLC faces the legal and PR fallout of an incident wherein multiple security oversights allowed a developmentally disabled teenager access to the raptor enclosure, where she was mauled to death. For boilerplate safety reasons, the park immediately locked down, impacting the trips of tens of thousands of tourists and drawing intense media scrutiny. Already facing unsustainable financial trends, park executives desperately dredge up a litany of scapegoats to point the media at - the girl's parents who let her wander, interns who left doors unlocked, the raptors' trainer who was taking a smoke break. But each of these attempts to shift the blame proves to only make things worse, as investigators demonstrate that the park systematically failed in its responsibilities both to the public and to its own employees. As comparisons are inevitably made to the park's predecessor organization, InGen, which negligently killed dozens before its bankruptcy, stock prices plummet, and StarVein, a multinational oil giant, is emboldened to buy out and dissolve the company. The park is shut down, a substantial fraction of the dinosaurs are put down, and those that remain are shipped to a roadside attraction somewhere in the South, where they are kept in poor conditions and used to shill for offshore drilling. A few years later, a conservationist who worked as a pachycephalosaurus trainer at Jurassic Island finally convinces herself to see the animals in their new home; she is so distressed by what she sees that she makes a public scene, gets removed from the premises, and drinks herself to sleep."
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Jul 5, 2018 17:44
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Sober, realistic human drama with added dinosaurs wins, good job.
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Jul 5, 2018 17:57
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RareAcumen posted:Why'd they scrunch its neck up though?
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Jul 5, 2018 18:01
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21 Muns posted:Jurassic Park, but it actually works out like in Jurassic World, except that there's no contrived reason for the park to break down; it's just a functional theme park used a thematic backdrop for a human drama. Maybe someone dies or is horribly injured at some point, but if so, it's a one-off incident played as a tragic theme park accident and not "here's the spooky monster disaster action you came for!". It'd have to happen fairly early in the movie, and the rest of the movie would be built on the characters grappling with the incident emotionally and legally. Basically Jurassic World if it were i would honestly watch this as legal drama and or Law and order type movie like this. like the park keeps trying to cover its tracks with shady legal/intimidation tactics like trying to silence the parents from speaking out about their kid getting mauled. it would pelican brief but with dinosaurs.
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Jul 5, 2018 19:05
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That feeling when you get a YouTube notification from 4 different youtubers for one video. Notably my two favorite retrospective creators Kim Justice and Oliver Harper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-7gKkurQQ
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Jul 5, 2018 19:28
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21 Muns posted:Jurassic Park, but it actually works out like in Jurassic World, except that there's no contrived reason for the park to break down; it's just a functional theme park used a thematic backdrop for a human drama. Maybe someone dies or is horribly injured at some point, but if so, it's a one-off incident played as a tragic theme park accident and not "here's the spooky monster disaster action you came for!". It'd have to happen fairly early in the movie, and the rest of the movie would be built on the characters grappling with the incident emotionally and legally. Basically Jurassic World if it were One of the 8000 drafts of scripts that became Jurassic World focused a lot more on park operations and how the park was being stretched super thin by the hedge fund investors trying to maintain geometric profit growth, so despite being incredibly successful by any rational standard the park was still being choked out with maintenance and personnel budgets being cut, which is what leads to the chain reaction system failure. There's still fragments of this in the script that made it to screen, but instead of the Claire character dealing with a park vet who has been on-call for 46 hours straight and rides that keep shutting down, the park in Jurassic World is seemingly running fine. Though that whole take on things, in and of itself, was really just pulling more explicitly from book Hammond's character who is a huge dick compared to the movie's consummate showman. Both movie and book Hammond go on about how he "spared no expense" but in the book it's clear that it's BS, he's cut basically every corner possible, and a major disaster was inevitable, while the movie leans more towards "things would have probably worked out in the end if it hadn't been for Dennis Nedry."
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Jul 5, 2018 19:33
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FoldableHuman posted:One of the 8000 drafts of scripts that became Jurassic World focused a lot more on park operations and how the park was being stretched super thin by the hedge fund investors trying to maintain geometric profit growth, so despite being incredibly successful by any rational standard the park was still being choked out with maintenance and personnel budgets being cut, which is what leads to the chain reaction system failure. There's still fragments of this in the script that made it to screen, but instead of the Claire character dealing with a park vet who has been on-call for 46 hours straight and rides that keep shutting down, the park in Jurassic World is seemingly running fine. yeah. thats kinda why i like the book alot more then the movie. I like the idea of Hammond being sorta unscrupulous and corner cutting so all the dinos are basically walking genetic disasters with frog eyes and also a death trap instead of dinosaur walt disney. plus like you said a realistic park disaster film with a giant part devoted to the aftermath would be fascinating as hell. like an overworked intern fucks up with a cage or a computer program that was already faulty and it starts a slow chain reaction. the Board realizes shits going down but because they are scared of the fallout start trying to cover poo poo up and pretend nothings going wrong. hell maybe some of the more unscrupulous top management believes that its ok if some/ a bunch of people die because of some bullshit rationality about cost or cover up. thats a hell of alot more interesting the "lol weyland yutani is weaponizing raptors now".
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Jul 5, 2018 20:24
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Not necessarily. Nedrys sabotage wasnt intended to cause a cascade failure, it was just supposed to cover his trip to the docks and back. The computer system was overworked and on the brink of collapse before Nedry even ran his program. There are human antagonists in JP movies but only Hoskins wants to harm other humans. Even Ludlow, scummy as he was, didn't object to rescuing Malcolm's team and willingly deferred to Roland. Nedry and Ludlow are motivated by greed, while Hoskins is a complete sociopath. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Jul 5, 2018 20:24
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Arcsquad12 posted:Not necessarily. Nedrys sabotage wasnt intended to cause a cascade failure, it was just supposed to cover his trip to the docks and back. The computer system was overworked and on the brink of collapse before Nedry even ran his program. It also had vary bad timing with the whole tropical storm screwing things up worse.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:27
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Arcsquad12 posted:There are human antagonists in JP movies but only Hoskins wants to harm other humans. Even Ludlow, scummy as he was, didn't object to rescuing Malcolm's team and willingly deferred to Roland. Nedry and Ludlow are motivated by greed, while Hoskins is a complete sociopath.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:36
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Terrible Opinions posted:Vince Vaughn's character in Lost World was 100% a sociopath out to get people killed. Point taken, but he is a Greenpeace activist so it's to he expected. gently caress him though for taking Roland's bullets. Roland could have saved the whole camp, but instead he had to settle for being the greatest character in the franchise and take down a bull Rex with a tranq. Van Owen is more of a bleeding heart environmentalist who says "gently caress humanity let these creatures do what they want", so he doesn't care if people die but he doesn't want to control nature. Hoskins wants to control nature and weaponize it which is way more stupid. Vince Vaughn is definitely a bad person but he doesn't sic a Tyrannosaurus Rex on the Taliban. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jul 5, 2018 |
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Jul 5, 2018 20:39
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Arcsquad12 posted:Not necessarily. Nedrys sabotage wasnt intended to cause a cascade failure, it was just supposed to cover his trip to the docks and back. The computer system was overworked and on the brink of collapse before Nedry even ran his program. Right, it's just a question of whether things would have ultimately worked out had he not broken them entirely, or if they were so cheap and broken that collapse was inevitable. The book argues the second while the movie skews towards the first. Arcsquad12 posted:Roland could have saved the whole camp, but instead he had to settle for being the greatest character in the franchise and take down a bull Rex with a tranq. The Lost World started as a Pete Postlethwaite documentary, but they added the rest of the characters after test audiences assumed it was already fiction.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:48
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https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/1014896035578155009 This was neat.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:52
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I hope this turns into an interview video.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:55
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Arcsquad12 posted:Point taken, but he is a Greenpeace activist so it's to he expected. gently caress him though for taking Roland's bullets. Roland could have saved the whole camp, but instead he had to settle for being the greatest character in the franchise and take down a bull Rex with a tranq. Yeah, Van Owen is a dickhead. Everything bad in the film can be traced back to him. He sabotages the hunter camp which causes their communication relay to be destroyed so they can't call for help, he then brings back the little Rex to the trailer causing the adults to take recompense by destroying it therefore losing the other method of communication off the island (and of course, getting poor Eddie torn in half). And as for stealing the bullets, he probably killed that guy who gets stepped on as well as the dude who gets eaten in the waterfall by proxy. And as Roland used the tranq instead of the gun, Van Owen is also kind of responsible for the Rex attack on the mainland and everyone who died as a result.
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Jul 5, 2018 20:59
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The "bad guys" are in Lost World end up being way more likable. They even save the heroes after they dicked them over so hard.
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Jul 5, 2018 21:02
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Roth posted:The "bad guys" are in Lost World end up being way more likable. They even save the heroes after they dicked them over so hard. They're antagonists rather than villains. And while they may have been criminally negligent Ludlow doesn't do anything illegal in the film. Even ordering the Rex to be killed is a smart decision considering it had already eaten a dog and David koepp
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Jul 5, 2018 21:18
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FoldableHuman posted:One of the 8000 drafts of scripts that became Jurassic World focused a lot more on park operations and how the park was being stretched super thin by the hedge fund investors trying to maintain geometric profit growth, so despite being incredibly successful by any rational standard the park was still being choked out with maintenance and personnel budgets being cut, which is what leads to the chain reaction system failure. There's still fragments of this in the script that made it to screen, but instead of the Claire character dealing with a park vet who has been on-call for 46 hours straight and rides that keep shutting down, the park in Jurassic World is seemingly running fine. Newman!
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Jul 5, 2018 21:33
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. thats kinda why i like the book alot more then the movie. I like the idea of Hammond being sorta unscrupulous and corner cutting so all the dinos are basically walking genetic disasters with frog eyes and also a death trap instead of dinosaur walt disney. Mainly that both are industrialists who have pretty abysmal track records with workplace safety and labor relations. Both were obsessed with dinosaurs (Carnegie himself is very important to the science since he funded digs that found nearly complete specimens of giant dinosaurs like Diplodocus carnegii which he had casted and given to various museums around the world boosting popularity in paleontology and also his quarry is where Dinosaur National Monument sits) Both came from working class Scottish backgrounds that rose to incredible wealth Both died peacefully and respected while all the awful things that resulted to death and destruction were usually deflected to admittedly horrible pieces of poo poo like Henry Clay Frick and Pinkertons I don't know that just what colors my interpretations. Anyway everyone should visit the Carnegie Museums, they were built out Carnegie's genuine desire to give back to the city and also the extreme fear of him facing eternal damnation if he didn't spend the rest of his accumulated wealth on philanthropy. 
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Jul 5, 2018 21:45
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achillesforever6 posted:See I think for me movie Hammond resonates with me more because I see less Walt Disney more Andrew Carnegie which considering I'm from Pittsburgh and volunteer at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History I pick a lot of what I feel are intentional parallels between the two. (Forgive me if I've done this before because I'm having serious Deja Vu) I need to again. I live in east PA and i am looking for museum jobs/internshipts/volunteer opportunities so maybe you can give me some good recommendations.
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Jul 5, 2018 21:50
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TheMaestroso posted:I just can't get past the child surviving on his own for 8 weeks because he read a book. Or the way the parents trick Dr. Grant into taking them to the island. Or the pointless side character who steals the eggs. Or the Spinosaurus being able to go right through the huge steel fences, but being stopped by a rusty shack with a door jam. Or
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Jul 5, 2018 23:08
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Gorn Myson posted:Its not a documentary mate. Its a big stupid dumb movie about dinosaurs, just go along with it and enjoy the ride because at least you get some entertaining scenes out of it. Jurassic World doesn't even give us that and I assume the sequel is even worse. The expectations of the first movie (and even the second) kinda ruin that take for me. It was just poorly-conceived and existed to stitch together specific set-pieces like the scene with the pteranodons or the bit with the animatronic Spinosaurus in the rain (which are kinda all the best parts, so I guess that worked out?). It's like the third Uncharted game, but less fun.
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Jul 5, 2018 23:51
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Because if I'm a seven year old kid in 1993 I want to watch a courtroom drama instead of cg and puppet dinosaurs ruining a lot of days
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Jul 6, 2018 01:52
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I need to again. I live in east PA and i am looking for museum jobs/internshipts/volunteer opportunities so maybe you can give me some good recommendations. Being a volunteer is much better than the lovely pay they give you and its no surprise that the museum is mostly run on volunteer work now. (Still isn't helping that multi-million dollar debt). Its been so long and I got in the museum fairly easily (family friend was friends with one of the now ex-curator's of Paleontology). I can't really recommend past the Carnegie since I don't really know much of how other museums work.
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Jul 6, 2018 03:34
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achillesforever6 posted:I'm just a mere near 10 year volunteer at the museum and for the Carnegie its much worth your time to volunteer. The story I remember is this old timer who was offered a job after volunteering for so long and he refused, when asked why he said, "But then I would have to answer to someone". Being a volunteer kind of rules because the museum doesn't really give a poo poo and you can get free admission (and admission to up to 5 people at a time), discounts on food/gift shop stuff, security access so I can hide away and sneak into the 21 and over events without paying, hang out with curators, look at the Spinosaurus jaw we have hidden in plain sight that we can't reveal to the public because we may have gotten it from the black market and are working on the paperwork to the Moroccan government to study it before returning it, and going to the Dr. Moriarty talks (yes the guy who invented the Mr. Yuck sticker name is literally Dr. Moriarty). cool. i'll have to think about Carnegie for the future. right now i am applying to some local places.
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Jul 6, 2018 03:51
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Is that a rat? What is that avatar? Very impressed with how much power Harrison is amassing.
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Jul 6, 2018 05:25
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RareAcumen posted:Is that a rat? What is that avatar? Harrisbungleman's fursona.
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Jul 6, 2018 05:38
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To put it more accurately, Hbomb has ended up with a lot of furry friends and while he himself is not one, someone made a joke about him getting a government-assigned fursona and drew him as a ferret.
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I swear this thread goes off on the weirdest tangents. If you come here you can stumble onto earnest discussions of anything from pop culture to nuclear physics.
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