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Action Jacktion posted:JMS posted his memories of Harlan Ellison (too long to post here): That's a pro click, thanks.
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Darth Freddy posted:Saw that this was on amazon prime and geeked out a little to hard, wife made fun of me. Haven't seen this show since I was a kid so binging hard. Just hit the second season today. Its not free in the UK, boo for that. At least there's Lexx though!
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Action Jacktion posted:JMS posted his memories of Harlan Ellison (too long to post here): I don't know if it's so much unrealistic as in impossible as it is just unrealistic as in people stopped caring about the moon. It's probably possible to put down some buildings up there and even send people to stay there for years at a time, but there isn't really interest for it so far as I know. Everybody's just speculating about getting a human being to Mars. Sci Fi where humanity's out there living in space just kinda implicitly assumes that there's a good reason to stay on some other celestial body, but so far as I know, nobody's really found one yet.
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Jul 7, 2018 00:59
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You mean aside from “keep the Russians from getting there”?
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Jul 7, 2018 01:33
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Action Jacktion posted:JMS posted his memories of Harlan Ellison (too long to post here): I'm tearing up. 
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't know if it's so much unrealistic as in impossible as it is just unrealistic as in people stopped caring about the moon. It's probably possible to put down some buildings up there and even send people to stay there for years at a time, but there isn't really interest for it so far as I know. Everybody's just speculating about getting a human being to Mars. Mars has been fifteen years away my entire life (knowing about Mars). Let’s not even do the fusion chat.
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Action Jacktion posted:JMS posted his memories of Harlan Ellison (too long to post here): Not if Gingrich were in the Whitehouse 
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Jul 7, 2018 05:36
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't know if it's so much unrealistic as in impossible as it is just unrealistic as in people stopped caring about the moon. It's probably possible to put down some buildings up there and even send people to stay there for years at a time, but there isn't really interest for it so far as I know. Everybody's just speculating about getting a human being to Mars. Reminds me of when colonies get brought up in Star Trek. The colonies are usually on pristine M class planets with like... a few thousand on them? Stargate too, usually a village cantered around the gate and little else on an entire planet.
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Jul 7, 2018 06:26
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A lot of the colonies in Star Trek seem to be weird ideological enclaves, like the Scottish planet or the Irish planet or the anti-technology planet. That at least makes sense - there's no economic reason to leave Earth, but you might want to get away for other reasons once interstellar travel becomes easy enough.
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Jul 7, 2018 07:41
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When your whole planet has the same biome, you don't need to spread out much to find other resources. According to most sci-fi shows, earth as a planet is an anomaly in that it has a whole lot of different environments spread out over the surface.
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Jul 7, 2018 09:04
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The tiny Trek colonies are weird but I figured it was partly because humans hadn't been out there that long. Even by TNG era human deep space exploration is only about 200 years old, and Earth is paradise so I doubt there's a huge crush of people desperate to get out to the colonies. Natural growth without immigration would take a long time. SG-1 was weirder since a lot of those planets had been populated for thousands of years. But there were some that they mention massive cities on and just didn't show because of budget, presumably. Friendly Fire posted:When your whole planet has the same biome, you don't need to spread out much to find other resources. Multi-biome worlds are good, but I also always was confused when people would say it was unrealistic to have a desert world or an ice world or whatever. Like, we have multiple desert and ice worlds in our own solar system. There's nothing unrealistic about them, you can go look at pictures of the real thing. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jul 7, 2018 |
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Jul 7, 2018 10:17
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Grand Fromage posted:Multi-biome worlds are good, but I also always was confused when people would say it was unrealistic to have a desert world or an ice world or whatever. Like, we have multiple desert and ice worlds in our own solar system. There's nothing unrealistic about them, you can go look at pictures of the real thing. Them existing isn't in doubt. Single biome worlds being worth colonising is more to the point. A desert or ice world are unlikely to be able to support life as complex as human beings because the various ecosystems aren't in place to produce everything needed. Planetary bases are fair enough but full community type settlements seem a bit iffy.
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Jul 7, 2018 11:06
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Exactly. Single-biome planets are fine, but the unrealistic thing is showing single-biome planets as more or less the same as Earth otherwise. I'm not sure it ever shows up in Star Trek much, but I can buy that planets like Tatooine in Star Wars only had sentient life because of immigration.
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Jul 7, 2018 14:28
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There's all kinds of film flaws that show up on the Amazon Prime content. I actually kind of like it, it's like an old school movie. Also lol in Season 2 Ep 20 the guy who did the Civ 5 tech quotes is in this episode as a Narn. skooma512 fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jul 8, 2018 |
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Jul 8, 2018 04:27
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Grand Fromage posted:SG-1 was weirder since a lot of those planets had been populated for thousands of years. But there were some that they mention massive cities on and just didn't show because of budget, presumably. Also, the Goa'uld coming by every so often to just wreck poo poo.
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Jul 8, 2018 10:36
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skooma512 posted:There's all kinds of film flaws that show up on the Amazon Prime content. You missed his first appearance as the Soul Hunter, then? W. Morgan Sheppard is hugely underrated, he pretty much made that episode work.
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Jul 8, 2018 12:12
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Jedit posted:You missed his first appearance as the Soul Hunter, then? W. Morgan Sheppard is hugely underrated, he pretty much made that episode work. And he was almost cast as G'kar. Would have made for a very different show...
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Jul 8, 2018 15:20
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Jedit posted:You missed his first appearance as the Soul Hunter, then? W. Morgan Sheppard is hugely underrated, he pretty much made that episode work. That guy has one of the most distinctive voices, and knows how to use it. He's great. Everyone probably knows this, but his son is Mark Sheppard, who you might recognise from a bunch of sci-fi.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Exactly. Single-biome planets are fine, but the unrealistic thing is showing single-biome planets as more or less the same as Earth otherwise. I'm not sure it ever shows up in Star Trek much, but I can buy that planets like Tatooine in Star Wars only had sentient life because of immigration. I think Tatooine was supposed to have been a much nicer planet in ages past, though I may admittedly just be remembering old EU stuff that has no relevance any longer.
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Jul 9, 2018 12:10
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Polaron posted:I think Tatooine was supposed to have been a much nicer planet in ages past, though I may admittedly just be remembering old EU stuff that has no relevance any longer. No, Tatooine was always a desert shithole. The only reason people are there at all is because at some point a few centuries back they thought there might be valuable minerals there. So they rolled up with heavy mining platforms and went scouring the planet in the hopes of striking rich... only to realize there was sweet-gently caress-all on that dirtball aside from Jawas and Tusken Raiders. So they abandoned their mining platforms to the Jawas (the Sandcrawlers they now all live in) and anyone with a lick of sense got the hell out of dodge.
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Jul 9, 2018 13:26
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Polaron posted:I think Tatooine was supposed to have been a much nicer planet in ages past, though I may admittedly just be remembering old EU stuff that has no relevance any longer. This was suggested by a bit of Tusken lore in one of the Star Wars CRPGs, but I won't guess where that fell in the old layers of canonicity.
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This loving show. It's intresting to watch with the faint memorie that hey thus right now tied into something later down the line. I also enjoy spotting the random sci fi actor. Just watched soul mates and who was in it but none other then. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Homn And he actually had speaking lines. Also one of the telepath is the kid in the orginal Star Gate movie who gets killed.
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Jul 9, 2018 20:42
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There are so many. Even beyond Lost in Space Kid.
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Season 3 Episode 8: It starts out with Sheridan and Garbaldi astonished that Ivanova has been served bacon and scrambled eggs. A tremendous luxury, since you can't get them out to Babylon 5 due to distance. In the exact same episode "It's two days travel time to Earth space". 
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It’s the cost for shipping. In another episode they talk about the price per ounce of stuff. Just like Oranges too. It’s basically not economical unless you are really determined and/or wealthy. It’s kind of like Kobe beef. Why would I pay ridiculous prices for exporting it from halfway around the world when I got regular beef (or in their case whatever substitute) right here?
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skooma512 posted:Season 3 Episode 8: Refrigeration on ships might be cost prohibitive? That was a dumb but fun scene. Even in the 50s people for freezing eggs for later use. In all likelihood feed/farm animals would be shipped and raised to every planet capable of supporting them. If they could afford to maintain a bunch of gardens/plants in B5 then they could raise a few dozen chickens and farm them for eggs. I don't know who much water a chicken needs, but you'd think some enterprising entrepreneur would've imported chickens into B5 and sell the eggs at a high enough price to offset the costs.
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At this point I figure it's more about tonnage and how much you pack into your holds to sell, and stuff like fresh bacon and eggs isn't worth the price because you couldn't carry enough to make it economical compared to other stuff. Especially as there's already freeze dried, shelf-stable eggs. But as a freighter captain, you've probably got a private freezer where you can stash a few things that you can give to station ops officers because hey maybe the order of docking can be rearranged a bit to get your ship higher up the list. Basically, Ivanova is god.
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skooma512 posted:Season 3 Episode 8: I think B5 has a whole is pretty bad at remembering distances and things like that. It's sort of like how after a few rewatches you note that there are a lot of very similar place names but they're all different (Beta Colony, I think, comes up a lot like that.) How the show uses the term sectors, for example, is basically impossible to pin down. JMS' 'Starfuries move at the speed of plot' approach is both good and bad.
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You're also forgetting that B5 is in space and Earth Alliance technology is still Newtonian. You have to pay get bacon from Earth into orbit on a ship with limited cargo payload space, AND transit time to Babylon 5. For something that has to be done fast AND be kept refridgerated that is not logistically cheap.
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skooma512 posted:Season 3 Episode 8: Isn't it two days' time for the White Star, though? I don't think your average freighter is hauling rear end like that. That said I think the transit time for Franklin and Marcus to get from B5 to Mars was like two weeks, although that was on a relatively circuitous route as to avoid being picked up, so maybe a week is more normal? I'm also a little surprised that Babylon 5 can't accommodate some chickens - you'd think you could keep them fed on food waste or something, and you could use the chicken poo poo as fertilizer for the gardens, couldn't you?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Isn't it two days' time for the White Star, though? I don't think your average freighter is hauling rear end like that. That said I think the transit time for Franklin and Marcus to get from B5 to Mars was like two weeks, although that was on a relatively circuitous route as to avoid being picked up, so maybe a week is more normal? It's probably a balance between needing water, feed, space, and carbon offset. I'm going to pretend an enclosed space station like B5 with a quarter million humans and aliens has a pretty delicate balance of atmosphere.
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V-Men posted:It's probably a balance between needing water, feed, space, and carbon offset. I'm going to pretend an enclosed space station like B5 with a quarter million humans and aliens has a pretty delicate balance of atmosphere. Pretty much. Planting space is locked down hard to the point Ivanova had to pull serious strings for her coffee plants.
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It's always worth remembering that Babylon 5 was the backup plan made from spare parts and last-ditch funding drives, Babylon 4 was the Cadillac of space stations with dual contra-rotating habitat cylinders that probably had room to spare for live cattle and private gardens and all those bells and whistles.
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V-Men posted:At this point I figure it's more about tonnage and how much you pack into your holds to sell, and stuff like fresh bacon and eggs isn't worth the price because you couldn't carry enough to make it economical compared to other stuff. Especially as there's already freeze dried, shelf-stable eggs. But as a freighter captain, you've probably got a private freezer where you can stash a few things that you can give to station ops officers because hey maybe the order of docking can be rearranged a bit to get your ship higher up the list. If memory serves, wasn't it Marcus who got her the bacon and eggs? The episode where Ivanova reveals her coffee plants is unintentionally hilarious because its the episode where Claudia Christian broke her foot for real. She's totally zonked on painkillers at the end, but you can't help but think from some of her delivery that coffee isn't the only thing she's growing in the hydroponic gardens. Babylon 5 Red: your last, best dope for peace.
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Jedit posted:If memory serves, wasn't it Marcus who got her the bacon and eggs? It was indeed. The mystery of the scene being just how the gently caress he managed to get her bacon and eggs out in deep space.
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skooma512 posted:Season 3 Episode 8: Maybe hyperspace travel has an effect on the eggs or something 
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Space = Territory perhaps? As opposed to proximity to homeworld?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Isn't it two days' time for the White Star, though? I don't think your average freighter is hauling rear end like that. That said I think the transit time for Franklin and Marcus to get from B5 to Mars was like two weeks, although that was on a relatively circuitous route as to avoid being picked up, so maybe a week is more normal? Aside from the other points already raised, what about the disease risk? Quite aside from the bird flu issues, it's highly unclear whether having animals on the space station poses a health risk to the many alien species you expect to move through there. From what we see in Season 1, it's obvious the senate would point out that the safe alternative is considerably cheaper, too, leading B5's staff to make do with "bac'n" instead. Neddy Seagoon posted:It was indeed. The mystery of the scene being just how the gently caress he managed to get her bacon and eggs out in deep space. "I always say, you can get more bacon and eggs with a kind word and a two-by-four than you can with just a kind word."
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fist4jesus posted:Space = Territory perhaps? As opposed to proximity to homeworld? That's the thing. I'm pretty sure B5 uses 'Earth space' to mean both 'Earth Alliance territory' and 'local space around Earth.' Two days to the edge of the territory holds up if it's like two weeks to Mars.
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Narsham posted:it's highly unclear whether having animals on the space station poses a health risk to the many alien species you expect to move through there. Surely all the aliens would be more of a health risk to each other? Adding a few chickens doesn't seem like that much of a difference.
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