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*Sees a comic artist hone his art finally to a signature style after 15 years of refining, that would go on to this day get more elaborate with Vento Aureo and so on* As a big brained artsy anime person, the most favorable artist I can compare you to is the guy whose method was to blow up single stolen comic panels.
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I feel like part of the issue is that most pop culture youtube critics aren't super well educated, and most well-educated critics are more keen to aim for areas with more exclusivity than youtube. The low bar of entry and minimal revenue means we're mostly stuck with "outsider art," and success relies more on whether high school kids like you than whether you know your poo poo. God bless the critics who share their extortionately expensive educations with us!
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achillesforever6 posted:Twitter is good for networking, but I've found it bad for my socialist organization because everyone uses it to subtweet about wreckers and purity tests. In mine, self-identified wreckers/Amber Frost despisers rule twitter and viciously savage anyone who speaks at a meeting or event, as well as anyone in any other chapter who has a twitter and isn’t the same kind of communist they are. But then in person they’re all perfectly civil. If I were on twitter more often I’d probably want to quit.
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they're like that part of your brain when you're depressed that will come up with any reason to not do something come to life
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Jul 8, 2018 21:44
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Puppy Time posted:I feel like part of the issue is that most pop culture youtube critics aren't super well educated, and most well-educated critics are more keen to aim for areas with more exclusivity than youtube. The low bar of entry and minimal revenue means we're mostly stuck with "outsider art," and success relies more on whether high school kids like you than whether you know your poo poo. Now that liberal democracy is burning down, we’re lucky that so many smart, driven, creative people are sharing those educations with us so freely for want of literally any other way to pay the bills. I will never forget an observation a history professor of mine made about the depression: the surplus of talent and creativity caused by the death of the economy meant that the succeeding generation grew up in an exceptionally rich culture, as there were so many ph.ds teaching high school and so many great artists working as nannies and in advertising.
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Puppy Time posted:What is a wrecker? It's the excuse Stalinists use for failure. It can't be a problem with their policies or their own personal shortcomings, if thing's aren't panning out, there must be wreckers actively sabotaging things, and if they could just root all of those out, communism will be achieved in our lifetimes.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It is, but that does not negate my previous statement. Like the worst of this is Mother's Basement who finds a way to love almost every single show no matter how boring or subtextually horrible it is. achillesforever6 posted:Imagine if we could live in a world without bullshit copyright laws so they don't have to purposely butcher the names out of fear of being sued out of oblivion It’s bad enough when they do this with obvious references like Killer Queen, but then they have to do it to ones like Echoes as well. It’s just an ordinary word! They’re not gonna be able to sue over that!
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achillesforever6 posted:Twitter is good for networking, but I've found it bad for my socialist organization because everyone uses it to subtweet about wreckers and purity tests. https://twitter.com/JediofGallifrey/status/1009447610506194945
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achillesforever6 posted:Twitter is good for networking, but I've found it bad for my socialist organization because everyone uses it to subtweet about wreckers and purity tests. it rules that the crunchyroll subtitles were changed for that but it was still just the Japanese VA shouting "KILLER QUEEN" anyway
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Jul 8, 2018 22:21
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Puppy Time posted:What is a wrecker? last time i saw the term on twitter it was being flung at disability activists for the terrible crime of...expressing discontent and requesting accountability when their accessibility concerns were being stonewalled by organizers
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Jul 8, 2018 22:40
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Just found this video today and it's perfect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwVERl0OYjc
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WampaLord posted:Just found this video today and it's perfect. I love this video cause Geoff knows the subjects where he isn't as informed and makes it a point not to try and analyze them from his perspective. I also love it cause I hate this game and its garbage narrative, but people would prefer to talk their "smol robo bean" Connor.
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business hammocks posted:In mine, self-identified wreckers/Amber Frost despisers rule twitter and viciously savage anyone who speaks at a meeting or event, as well as anyone in any other chapter who has a twitter and isn’t the same kind of communist they are. But then in person they’re all perfectly civil. If I were on twitter more often I’d probably want to quit. There's a good chance he didn't use a blocklist but rather did a chain block of a thread you were, probably in subject of making GBS threads on a Obama-era Major figure or something. Given I'm on said blocklists due to both being pals with both dirtbag left crew and the ones you describe but didn't have me blocked despite being occasionally abrasive to him in the past, I think that could be it. Puppy Time posted:I feel like part of the issue is that most pop culture youtube critics aren't super well educated, and most well-educated critics are more keen to aim for areas with more exclusivity than youtube. The low bar of entry and minimal revenue means we're mostly stuck with "outsider art," and success relies more on whether high school kids like you than whether you know your poo poo. Yeah, I tend to be somewhat quaint on standards of criticism here since I'm not exactly an art degree person, but from what I watched there was honestly some weird naivete and / or outright misinterpretation of texts. Spoilers for Diamond is Unbreakable: Why did he put a lot of footage of Kira as his taken identity from later on the show , telling that he is Kira, and then do a spoiler warning to tell us they are one and the same despite... showing a lot of footage of him going "Oh yeah that's totally Kira" for 2/3 of the video beforehand. And why did he specifically try to pin Kira as someone "attempting to murder as much people as possible" when literally his modus operandi is to keep as life as normal as possible?
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OmanyteJackson posted:Twitter is sociopathy on steroids and the fact that the press takes it seriously is baffling to me. The media is filled with sociopaths. It naturally appeals to them.
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Kunster posted:*Sees a comic artist hone his art finally to a signature style after 15 years of refining, that would go on to this day get more elaborate with Vento Aureo and so on* You aren’t familiar with how much Araki’s art homages fashion magazine spreads, then? Because Liechtenstein using his mad pointillist skills to painstakingly recreate comic book panels in a way that makes them look subtly more unsettling and soulless seems pretty comparable to how Araki painstakingly incorporates models’ poses into his action scenes, recontextualising them as part of the outlandish drama of shonen action manga.
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Oh I'm definitely aware of how he straight up took poses and layouts from magazines, album covers and so on, but he didn't straight up trace/100% copy the photos from those.
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cat doter posted:they're like that part of your brain when you're depressed that will come up with any reason to not do something come to life Absurd Alhazred posted:It's the excuse Stalinists use for failure. It can't be a problem with their policies or their own personal shortcomings, if thing's aren't panning out, there must be wreckers actively sabotaging things, and if they could just root all of those out, communism will be achieved in our lifetimes. CYBEReris posted:last time i saw the term on twitter it was being flung at disability activists for the terrible crime of...expressing discontent and requesting accountability when their accessibility concerns were being stonewalled by organizers So... what I'm getting is, "basically the socialist equivalent of 'hipster'"
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Jul 9, 2018 00:08
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It's basically "undesirable" for all it's ever used as.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:10
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Who has time to keep up with all of these different terms for "tosser". Like, every group now has at least five.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:13
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Really it's one of those too-nebulous words that throws up a red flag about any time I see it, because what people want to use it for already has a name, try agitator or infiltrator, so the only times I've ever actually seen it was coming from paranoiacs using it against marginalized people disagreeing with them.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:18
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Kunster posted:Oh I'm definitely aware of how he straight up took poses and layouts from magazines, album covers and so on, but he didn't straight up trace/100% copy the photos from those. Neither did Liechtenstein. Try comparing Whaam! with the comic panel it used as its inspiration. He did a lot to make it look like a soulless piece of murder framed in an inappropriately cartoonish way rather than an exciting component of a fantasy dogfight.
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Jul 9, 2018 00:18
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Need for Speed: Most Wanted... 13 Years Later.
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Puppy Time posted:So... what I'm getting is, "basically the socialist equivalent of 'hipster'" well, sort of, at least as far as I understand it people usually mean it as "this person will invent any bad faith reason to shut something down" because whatever event or organising thing isn't literally perfect
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In other news, Internet Historian has released the first part of a reading of the legendary Harry Potter fanfiction "My Immortal": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffh7cWRrqF4
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I'm not an active DSA member, but when I see "wrecker" invoked it's in the sense of COINTELPRO tactics that shut down both socialist and civil rights movements in the USA, but I'm sure the guy who files all socialism under "Stalinism" is really knowledgeable and can be taken at his word.
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cat doter posted:well, sort of, at least as far as I understand it people usually mean it as "this person will invent any bad faith reason to shut something down" because whatever event or organising thing isn't literally perfect yea like with the disability thing that was actually a thing where a dude who's like, a known nutbar who e-stalks someone found a thing she was working on for medicare for all, made a big thing about how they didn't consult his specific group, and when others said 'we talked to other disability rights groups and this is more a general thing trying to muster support for the medicare for all program rather than a 100% point by point plan to overhaul the US health system' he and some others started saying the DSA was basically throwing disabled people down big staircases. Wreckers does have a meaning, just because it's overused doesn't mean it's not a thing.
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sexpig by night posted:yea like with the disability thing that was actually a thing where a dude who's like, a known nutbar who e-stalks someone found a thing she was working on for medicare for all, made a big thing about how they didn't consult his specific group, and when others said 'we talked to other disability rights groups and this is more a general thing trying to muster support for the medicare for all program rather than a 100% point by point plan to overhaul the US health system' he and some others started saying the DSA was basically throwing disabled people down big staircases. Wreckers does have a meaning, just because it's overused doesn't mean it's not a thing. Thank you for standing up to this.
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Pretty sure the guy with the Phil Ochs av knows something about socialism. DSA extremely online culture has its own weird-rear end way of using vocabulary. The whole “wrecker” thing seems descended from some fight with Amber Frost from years ago and is now freighted with all kinds of weird meanings. People proud to wear it seem to use it to broadcast an unwillingness to meet anyone halfway and almost interchangeably with being part of the refoundation caucus. And then only picking fights on twitter. None of it shows at all in monthly meetings or at steering committee things.
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business hammocks posted:Pretty sure the guy with the Phil Ochs av knows something about socialism. DSA extremely online culture has its own weird-rear end way of using vocabulary. The whole “wrecker” thing seems descended from some fight with Amber Frost from years ago and is now freighted with all kinds of weird meanings. People proud to wear it seem to use it to broadcast an unwillingness to meet anyone halfway and almost interchangeably with being part of the refoundation caucus. And then only picking fights on twitter. None of it shows at all in monthly meetings or at steering committee things. What was the Amber Frost thing about? Hemingway To Go! posted:I'm not an active DSA member, but when I see "wrecker" invoked it's in the sense of COINTELPRO tactics that shut down both socialist and civil rights movements in the USA, but I'm sure the guy who files all socialism under "Stalinism" is really knowledgeable and can be taken at his word. I've frequently seen wrecker used by people upset about having to try and accommodate for minorities in socialist movements, the same people who'll be sure to angrily tell you about how identity politics is ruining socialism and write off every aspect of progressiveness that isn't totally fixated on economic inequality at all times as 'Neoliberal'. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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Jul 9, 2018 01:19
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Man, the things I miss being a Red State shutin.
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It's kind of tangentially related, but this whole wrecker thing reminds me of 'spoiler', which is up there with 'purity test' for words you see establishment dems using that's an automatic red flag for them just being the usual kind of soulless party hack that's more interested in the party winning than pushing any actual policy And then of course there's 'viable' which is its own can of worms. https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1015579912105791489
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ACES CURE PLANES posted:It's kind of tangentially related, but this whole wrecker thing reminds me of 'spoiler', which is up there with 'purity test' for words you see establishment dems using that's an automatic red flag for them just being the usual kind of soulless party hack that's more interested in the party winning than pushing any actual policy She's so fantastic, I hope she wins in November
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TheMaestroso posted:She's so fantastic, I hope she wins in November her district is like +50 Dem last election and her opponent is a weird family court dad's rights loser no one knows exists, she's p. secure
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khwarezm posted:What was the Amber Frost thing about? I don’t actually know the details of the Amber Frost thing, except that she comes up a lot with the extremely online wrecker self-identification as a callous or dismissive or bigoted person. It seems like she gets the same kind of poo poo Angela Nagle gets. The disability stuff has been a consistent problem with dsa and I’m glad that it has passionate advocates.
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business hammocks posted:I don’t actually know the details of the Amber Frost thing, except that she comes up a lot with the extremely online wrecker self-identification as a callous or dismissive or bigoted person. It seems like she gets the same kind of poo poo Angela Nagle gets. Two days somebody sent me a link to a podcast called Dead Pundits Society and I listened to an episode where they had both Frost and Nagle on at the same time, I really don't know much about either of them but they kept on mentioning this and Frost started going off about people calling her privileged where she ended up basically going gently caress you ya can't do anything about it in a really smug kind of way, meanwhile Nagle wrote off the entirety of counter culture in decades past as a ploy to undermine collectivism, which I thought was a real eye roller, and made this really weird whingy comment about people taking issues with past figures for being white or male despite the fact that she was in the middle of talking about the alt right. Maybe some people take this too far but I didn't come away from this with a very good impression of them. I'd say the same about the podcast too actually, and when I looked at the rest of the episodes they spent an inordinate amount of time taking issues with just about every other progressive movement where they even invited that stupid loving charlatan Walter Benn Michaels to spread his lousy views. Also their episodes about Me Too and the war in Syria are dreadful. It sure is nice to hear about them talking about sex in society and decide the biggest takeaway from the last couple of years is that there's a sex panic! Christ. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Jul 9, 2018 |
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khwarezm posted:Two days somebody sent me a link to a podcast called Dead Pundits Society and I listened to an episode where they had both Frost and Nagle on at the same time, I really don't know much about either of them but they kept on mentioning this and Frost started going off about people calling her privileged where she ended up basically going gently caress you ya can't do anything about it in a really smug kind of way, meanwhile Nagle wrote off the entirety of counter culture in decades past as a ploy to undermine collectivism, which I thought was a real eye roller, and made this really weird whingy comment about people taking issues with past figures for being white or male despite the fact that she was in the middle of talking about the alt right. Maybe some people take this too far but I didn't come away from this with a very good impression of them. Nagle ended up being kind of a disappointing old scold as far as how she understands young people on the left, but her book understands the rhetoric of the pre-Charlottesville alt-right very well. It is somewhat unfairly characterized as attacking the left, but her point in bringing up “liberal” internet discourse 2012-2016 is that the total absence of a real left movement in the us meant that people understood left politics only within the context of a degraded neoliberal push for rainbow capitalism/increased diversity of the ruling class/HIRE MORE WOMEN GUARDS, leaving the brutality of a slowly collapsing capitalist order invisible to most people. It’s a fair point. The issue with both Frost and Nagle is partially that they’re both academics who aren’t used to having their arguments misrepresented or discussed in reductive terms by people they see as on their side, and they are genuinely hurt and offended when people treat them uncharitably. It is kind of lovely to have twitter teens posting pictures of my mom’s house to prove that I’m too bourgeois and an enemy of the people, but also none of that matters and there are plenty of people getting endless daily death threats and unspeakable harassment from actual nazis, so get some perspective Amber and Nagle.
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Kim Justice posted:loving reds all up in here smh All us Americans see having an actual left as a novelty on account of not having had one for the last hundred years. Give us some time (Trump victory in two years) to get jaded about it.
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