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multijoe posted:Absolutely bizarre. You've bought into every right wing talking point to justify why Labour should have self-immolated and given the Commons to the Tories, which somehow would have stopped Brexit(?!?)
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jBrereton posted:Yeah I remember last month when Labour passed a slew of amendments to the brexit bill oh wait jBrereton posted:Labour cannot and have not stopped Brexit or even done anything to slightly ameliorate brexit despite having Some seats. Instead they have helped sell a Tory lie to the public about how viable the whole thing is. It's a dereliction of duty for the opposition to do that but there we go, the leader wanted it so it's happening.  Dude, do yourself a favour and stop before you'll go full lib dem FBPE crazymode, tia.
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jBrereton posted:Because vulture capital would go absolutely loving mental on a Labour government inheriting a 120% debt to GDP ratio also going through with cutting its nose off to spite its face okay so assuming for a second that Labour decides it doesn't want to do a Brexit because vulture capital is going to do a number on the UK, what kind of leverage would it have on the EU to let it do so in a way that wouldn't let the EU extract very painful concessions anyway?
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Jul 11, 2018 14:43
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Cerebral Bore posted:And more flailing as you badly attempt to ignore the fact that a Tory government with a huge majority could just run all the way to no-deal Brexit without anybody able to stop them. but a large portion of the tory party doesn't want a no deal brexit?
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Jose posted:its coming home
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I am just saying you are revealing the assumptions innate to your ideology, friend, when you construction of increasing state revenue is “borrow an arbitrary amount” instead of taxation - and “but what if capital takes its ball and goes home!!!” ain’t helping
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Jul 11, 2018 14:49
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Jose posted:its coming home
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gradenko_2000 posted:okay so assuming for a second that Labour decides it doesn't want to do a Brexit because vulture capital is going to do a number on the UK, what kind of leverage would it have on the EU to let it do so in a way that wouldn't let the EU extract very painful concessions anyway?
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Jose posted:its coming home
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Fukken lmao at all the Brits itt acting like brexit isn't going to be an all or nothing affair. "Making a deal" on Brexit implies the eu is gonna play ball, which they ain't. Y'all are either gonna get booted all the way the gently caress out with all that entitles or yall are gonna start using the euro when then Germans make an example of you and release the new "the English are dumber than pigshit" five euro bill that has a pic of the queen with a dick in her mouth then against ignoring that a governing body your gov and media has been making GBS threads on actually has free agency and an agenda is a common anglosphere problem
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Jul 11, 2018 14:52
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Lol Germany only controls the EU with an ironfist because Britain retreated from its own power and influence over Europe. Also I'd rather live under Merkel than The Tories.
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Whorelord posted:but a large portion of the tory party doesn't want a no deal brexit? Yeah, which is why May is hosed right now, but with a big victory behind her and a huge majority that portion could have been sidelined.
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Thom12255 posted:Lol Germany only controls the EU with an ironfist because Britain retreated from its own power and influence over Europe. Batty old cripple Wilhelm just lolin' from the afterlife.
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Agean90 posted:Fukken lmao at all the Brits itt acting like brexit isn't going to be an all or nothing affair. "Making a deal" on Brexit implies the eu is gonna play ball, which they ain't. Y'all are either gonna get booted all the way the gently caress out with all that entitles or yall are gonna start using the euro when then Germans make an example of you and release the new "the English are dumber than pigshit" five euro bill that has a pic of the queen with a dick in her mouth can't wait for ww3 when it's a literal mirror image of ww2, where germans and japanese are the opportunist capitalists invading usa and britain under the pretense of liberating people from fash after someone else has done all the heavy lifting for them. also russia having a revolution a couple years in, but this time they have nukes.
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https://twitter.com/jackcevans/status/1017043359003807746 lol
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I'd be surprised if it wasn't the first time since 1834
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jBrereton posted:if there's anywhere people are going to keep their money to get taxed, it's a country which can't feed itself, is clearly in political turmoil, won't have any extant trade deals, doesn't have any customs infrastructure, and uses its own currency you won't even be able to do profitable financial services with after it stops being useful to the EU states as a clearing house and the banks go to Amsterdam, Paris, or Frankfurt-am-Main. 329 short the pound erryday.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, which is why May is hosed right now, but with a big victory behind her and a huge majority that portion could have been sidelined. she campaigned the election on the hardest possible brexit lol
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jBrereton posted:yeah he played the long game by loving the country completely and then quitting in disgrace, good one mate. yes, and your idea was even worse than that, you stupid gently caress. loving just lie in the manifesto about a referendum that is also a cripplingly divisive issue in the parliamentary tory party and a personal bugbear of the newspapers on which the tories are dependent for their popular support. I'm sure no one would mind the prime minister casually breaking an election pledge for no good reason. should be easy to pass laws after that. nigel farage would just give up and go home. you idiot. you witless fool.
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CoolCab posted:I am just saying you are revealing the assumptions innate to your ideology, friend, when you construction of increasing state revenue is “borrow an arbitrary amount” instead of taxation - and “but what if capital takes its ball and goes home!!!” ain’t helping
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Whoever is in power in March 2019 will become forever linked to bad times in the minds of certain voters (if the situation becomes unpleasant) due to simple classical conditioning
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I had to check this. I'd forgotten that Jo Johnson just had a non-cabinet role so it is correct. Of course when you include every person in government that isn't the case. And yes, it took me a long time to research this. Henry Ashton, 4th Baron Ashton of Hyde - Under-Secretary for DCMS Nick Hurd - Minister of State for Policing and the Fire Service Rory Stewart - Minister of State for Prisons Jo Johnson - Minister of State for Transport & Minister for London Jesse Norman - Under-Secretary of State for Roads, Local Transport and Devolution And that's literally one school, whose fees are over £40k per year including You'd probably lose a day researching all the privately educated wanks in the government, because this country is one massive class hang up.
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You Brits made a huge mistake when you didn't buy leftover guillotines after the Terror. Now you've got nobility pouring out of the drat walls.
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Fantastic Flyer posted:You Brits made a huge mistake when you didn't buy leftover guillotines after the Terror. Now you've got nobility pouring out of the drat walls. Pitt the Younger has a lot of explaining to do.
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weird that in thirty years the chant is gonna be Three World Wars And Two World Cups. i guess that's inflation for you
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jBrereton posted:Labour cannot and have not stopped Brexit or even done anything to slightly ameliorate brexit despite having Some seats. Instead they have helped sell a Tory lie to the public about how viable the whole thing is. It's a dereliction of duty for the opposition to do that but there we go, the leader wanted it so it's happening. Have you considered that Brexit is good as hell and your opinion is trash?
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Frijolero posted:Have you considered that Brexit is good as hell and your opinion is trash? All the rich cunts are going to be inoculated from Brexit and the people who actually suffer from rising food prices and a cratering economy are the workers so I'm not actually seeing much upside on leaving the EU. Maybe house prices will go down in London as it becomes less desirable for non-EU oligarchs. Seems about the most positive outcome.
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Jul 11, 2018 18:07
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Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit?
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twoday posted:Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit? A united Tory Party for generations to come.
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twoday posted:Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit? Not being chained to a ridiculously dysfunctional, hideously neoliberal, blinkered regime of bankers and monetarists whom we have no ability to unelect or influence. At least we can vote the Tories out. Jean Claude Junker doesn't give a gently caress.
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twoday posted:Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit? The whole not being a part of the EU is pretty good
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forkboy84 posted:All the rich cunts are going to be inoculated from Brexit and the people who actually suffer from rising food prices and a cratering economy are the workers As opposed to...? That poo poo is already happening. And it's worse when the EU imposes/recommends austerity to workers who have no say in the matter.
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Jul 11, 2018 18:44
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twoday posted:Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit? Do you want actual potential benefits or what were touted as the potential benefits? Because stuff like being able to negotiate independently for better trade deals with non-EU countries is technically a potential benefit even if it's unlikely to ever actually be beneficial to us.
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Doesn't the EU have a huge incentive to beat the hell out of the UK in order to make an example of what will happen to anyone else who leaves?
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Ohtsam posted:Doesn't the EU have a huge incentive to beat the hell out of the UK in order to make an example of what will happen to anyone else who leaves? Yeah as an institution it's got a huge incentive to dick us over even if the people the EU's meant to represent would still prefer to actually get english cheese or whatever for quite cheap. It's gonna be interesting if the EU gets better after we leave. We have broadly been problematic arseholes but that also meant other countries could count on us to be the problematic ones so they didn't have to.
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twoday posted:Can someone explain to me the potential benefits of Brexit? £350 million per week for the NHS.
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Frijolero posted:As opposed to...? Of course it's already happening, the point is it's going to get even loving worse. You might be fine with that, as someone who is already finding it hard to find work, I don't particularly look forward to getting even worse. Accelerationism isn't actually a luxury I can afford, nor plenty others. There's plenty worth complaining about the EU. It's poo poo. Alas, the alternative manages to be worse. Also, the UK's position in the EU is different from most other nations by virtue of not being in the Euro, which is the actual mechanism for imposing austerity. It has lovely rules about free trade and it has racist immigration policies but it's not got anything to do with austerity in the UK. Which will only get worse after leaving the EU.
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Ohtsam posted:Doesn't the EU have a huge incentive to beat the hell out of the UK in order to make an example of what will happen to anyone else who leaves? It's complicated by Germany having an enormous incentive to keep selling the UK cars. Germany needs needs needs people to export to otherwise their whole comfortable shtick collapses and they're losing trading partners left and right. And Germans make pretty much all the decisions in the EU so our leverage isn't as non-existent as people like to claim.
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