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Honestly, Soda reacting the way she did to a little bit of suspicion from Slam's game, is a bit weird to me given how I feel about Slam's game, and how I think other people should feel about it. Not enough to vote, but enough to perk my inhuman, dog-like ears.
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Scorpion Fight! TNL challenges IcePhoenix for $50: Alkham kills Mr Fluffums Alkham is now 3-0 (2 kills) TNL: $220 IcePhoenix: $85 Also,  rule change for future fights: Auto-accept is only in effect for critters that won their last fight. If you challenge a player who lost last, they can choose a a new critter (if they want) before accepting your challenge.
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Jul 11, 2018 18:37
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##vote TNL Mrs. Rockems vs. Alham $30
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Jul 11, 2018 18:39
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Slamburger posted:I didn't tell people to post some detailed case, I just asked them to vote. Yes its D1 these votes wouldn't matter. But its an opinion, its to get them on the record. Its also a very low barrier to entry. Being hesitant to do this is a scum tell. Period. I'm not trying to solve the game based on how people played my mini game. My primary goal was to add something fun into otherwise boring D1 play. If I feel I can extract some light reads, great, which is what I'm trying to do. Tto throw your hands in the air and be like "there's no possible information to be gained from this at all! what a waste of time!" is a Bad Opinion. i was and am voting for you tho. IcePhoenix posted:that's an awfully aggressive response to a silly question sorry it was not meant to be aggressive! but i don't see the point of the question.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Honestly, Soda reacting the way she did to a little bit of suspicion from Slam's game, is a bit weird to me given how I feel about Slam's game, and how I think other people should feel about it. i think slamburger is scum, and i think his case on me reinforces this.
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Jul 11, 2018 18:40
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Scorpion Fight! AA challenges TNL for $30: Mrs Rockems has been killed by Alkham Alkham is now 4-0 (3 kills) TNL: $250 IcePhoenix: $30 (Since Mrs Rockems defeated Mr Fluffums without killing him, but Alkham killed Mr Fluffums, it could have been deduced that Alkham was at least stronger than Mrs Rockems)
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Jul 11, 2018 18:51
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Slamburger posted:Scorpion Fight! ##vote TNL Seeing Mrs. Rockems get obliterated by Alkham, Sofia had no choice but to pull out her pet in the hole... "I choose you, Badian" Sofia untwists the top of a canister letting a serpent spill out into the arena. $ALL IN
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Jul 11, 2018 19:01
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Atomic Soda posted:cased anpu Would you might extracting your Anpu case from your RP and giving me the bullet point version? You think his questions were just buddying and didn't advance anything?
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Jul 11, 2018 19:04
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Slamburger posted:Would you might extracting your Anpu case Mafia edit: would you mind extracting your Anpu case
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Jul 11, 2018 19:06
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I'd like Anpu to come back and respond to what I said, personally.
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Jul 11, 2018 19:08
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Finally a fight that lives up to the flavor image: Snake vs Scorpion: AA challenges TNL for $30: Badian defeats Alkham The champion has fallen but survives! Badian is 1-0 TNL: $220 AA: $60
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Jul 11, 2018 19:11
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##unvote In some game in recent past, I made some system to evaluate the town/non-town contributions by players from 0-4 in .25 increments, and a scum Somber painted me as scum for putting it out and using it. That's the most recent usage of me doing something similar, but with even less utility, at least Slam's system is entertaining.
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Jul 11, 2018 19:12
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Slamburger posted:Scorpion Fight! Slamburger posted:Scorpion Fight! Why did I lose money from this second fight that I wasn't in
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b-minus1 posted:Agreed. I was gonna make this post earlier but deleted it haha. lol
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I notice that the games have taken a backseat to the discussions, and nod along - I think Max has a point that Murmur would be all over our games of chance, but on the other hand... the back and forth between Soda and Slamburger has been interesting. Slamburger posted:Anpu and AS casing I don't think I agree with you about our friend Soda. Soda isn't engaging in the same way but is engaging in a way that hints at scumsearching. Anpu I think had a much worse reaction, one that came shortly before your own claims: Anpu posted:Ive been mafia-ing the whole time. My friends, I'm never a fan of a case that calls into question how one should act early on - I trust everyone's heard my spiel on this by now, yes? Anpu here seems to be feigning outrage over the casing on Murmur. I don't really get where they get the idea Max is trying to "look like they're participating", do you? Especially after they declined the games for their own tonic of choice. I think Anpu is trying to generate heat on Max in a way that isn't justifiable.
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Jul 11, 2018 19:26
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IcePhoenix posted:Why did I lose money from this second fight that I wasn't in Sorry that was just a copy/paste mistake. Your current balance is $85
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Jul 11, 2018 19:29
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Monathin posted:I think Anpu is trying to generate heat on Max in a way that isn't justifiable. I agree with this, in that I disagree with Max's MMT case but I don't think it was a bad-faith case. Anpu makes the latter argument, which is indeed scummy.
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A mobster with a rat, eh? Now that brings up some old memories... Shortly after I'd been made, still in the honeymoon all newly minted mobsters experience, I was called in to a meeting with the local boss. In the room with her was a tall, fidgety man who introduced himself as Ateppo the Rat. A most unusual name for one in our business, I'd remarked, and he had laughed, and so did the boss. "I'm not really the rat," he told me, and patted his coat pocket. "Lefty's the real rat here, but lucky for us I'm around to keep an eye on him, make sure he doesn't talk too much." Ateppo and I were to be business partners in a new operation, him managing the front half and me the back, and in the course of our association I came to know him and his rodent companion quite well. Ateppo was a man of many talents, but he had a special gift for enforcement. A creative, you might say. He developed quite a reputation for it among the shopkeepers in his territory. I only witnessed his work personally a few times myself, but what I saw was enough to make a lifelong impression. He had a favorite routine for new clients. He'd walk into a shop just before closing hours. I'm here to collect, he'd say by way of introduction. You may have heard of me. Do you know who I am? They would shake their head no. Ask about me, he'd say. I'll come back at the end of the week, and if you don't greet me by name then there'll be problems, whether you got the money or not. A week later he'd return. Good to see you, old chum! he'd say this time. Hope you had a good week. Business treating you good, and all that. You remember me, don't you? By now the shopkeeper would have asked his neighbors about the lanky fellow with the twitch, the one that visited late. And they would turn pale, and tell him to greet him as Ateppo and treat him with the utmost respect, and have the payment ready to go with the greeting. And usually the shopkeeper would follow this advice. If they were smart. Greetings, Ateppo, they would say. So good to see you! I've been waiting all week. Here is your sum of money, as requested. And Ateppo would smile and leave. I was with Ateppo for one of the exceptions. A tanner new to town had opened up shop, and within no time had gotten deep into the local gambling ring. He was a portly man and carried himself like an aristocrat. The man scowled when Ateppo entered his shop, and scowled further at Ateppo's exuberant introduction. "Of course I remember you, how could I not?" the man sneered. "You're the two-bit crook who came to shake me down. I asked about you, and was told nothing good. I don't have your money, nor will you get any pleasantries from me, Ateppo the Rat." The change in my partner's demeanor was immediate and alarming. His usual exaggerated good cheer evaporated instantly, replaced with an icy stillness. Gone was his twitch. "What did you just call me?" he said softly, and it was as if all the noise in the city had retreated in fear. The merchant seemed not to notice. "Ateppo the Rat, I said. That is your name, is it not? It is certainly what my fellows called you.'" Somehow without moving Ateppo was now looming over the shopkeeper. He was a tall man, but now he seemed taller, as if he had been slouching in all the months I had known him. He said nothing, just waited until the first crack in the merchant's demeanor, a flicker of the eyes toward the door and back. Then he spoke, in the same soft voice. "I'm not a rat. I've never been a rat. You haven't met the rat. Would you like to meet the rat?" "N... no," the man said, breaking out into a sweat. The room reeked of freshly cured leather, but I swear to this day that suddenly the very odor of the room was overpowered by a heavy musk. If fear has a scent, I experienced it in that moment. "This is the rat," Ateppo said, and reached into his coat pocket. "This is Lefty. Lefty the rat." Quick as a whip he pulled his hand out and flung a furry lump at the merchant's face. The man screamed first in shock, and then in pain, as the agitated animal clutched at his face, scratching and biting and gnawing. The merchant frantically clutched at the savage animal and Ateppo suddenly laughed, shedding the icy countenance as quickly as he put it on, back to his cheery self. He watched the merchant struggle with his frantic pet for a few minutes, a huge grin on his face, then tapped the rodent on the back. The rat calmed at once and Ateppo picked it up, feeding it a piece of cheese he'd kept in his other pocket before returning the rat to his coat. The merchant's face was ravaged and covered in blood. The man would lose at least one eye, and indeed would be lucky to keep the other one. Ateppo looked down at the maimed figure and laughed again. "Glad that's cleared up," he said. "I'm not the rat. Lefty's the rat. I'm Ateppo. You got it?" He gave the man a kick in the gut. "Next time you'll remember. I'll be back in a week for my money. Make sure you have something for Lefty too. He'll be hungry the next time we meet. I'm sure you'll find something for him to chew on." And with that Ateppo turned away and we walked out of the shop. We worked together for some few months after that, him at the front end of our business and me at the back and glad of the separation. Then one day the boss called me in and a new partner was waiting for me. I never saw Ateppo again, and the boss wouldn't tell me what happened to him, but eventually I got some of the details out. Ateppo had been telling the truth all along; he wasn't the rat, but his pet Lefty had done enough informing for the pair of them, thanks to an eavesdropping enchantment provided to him by Gen X. They had enough to indict a few of the lower level bosses and lieutenants, and for a while I feared they would come after me, but perhaps they decided I wasn't a big enough fish, or perhaps Ateppo had spared me his pet's attention. Whatever the case, the experience taught me to be a lot more careful with what I said around others in the business, and fostered within me a deep distrust for those who consorted with rats.
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Slamburger posted:I agree with this, in that I disagree with Max's MMT case but I don't think it was a bad-faith case. Anpu makes the latter argument, which is indeed scummy. TBH it was a way to put something out there for people to respond to (while also hopefully getting MMT in the game), because I wasn't getting much out of your side game. What time zone does Anpu live in?
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Apologies all - I slept in this morning  For whatever reason I'm not a huge fan of writing in the third person and so I sat jokephase out.I'm about to start on a fresh read of the game, cases and stuff to follow.
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Jul 11, 2018 20:16
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Murmur Twin posted:Apologies all - I slept in this morning Looking forward to it.
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Jul 11, 2018 20:26
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Max posted:A) MMT has not participated Humorously, I spent yesterday running games at a legal casino and then going home to my den and doing legal drugs  IllegallySober posted:Just about everything. I play this game primarily to feel bad about myself. I started out playing because I thought it would be fun to help piece together night-action puzzles but since things are never as simple as they seem (particularly in Eccogames) I wind up getting led around by the nose a lot and losing games for town instead (as I'm sure people here can attest to). ##vote IS This isn't just a lurker vote (which would be hypocritical of me for sure) but it seems extremely self-conscious to me, especially for this early in the game. The "I'm sad that I've missed a bunch of fights already" seems particularly like someone who is putting too much thought into the things he says. IS - do you think TNL is scum? If not, who?
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Jul 11, 2018 20:58
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Monathin posted:I notice that the games have taken a backseat to the discussions, and nod along - I think Max has a point that Murmur would be all over our games of chance, but on the other hand... the back and forth between Soda and Slamburger has been interesting. This post gives the impression of content but doesn't really say anything. Mona - who's your strongest scum read at the moment?
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Jul 11, 2018 21:01
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Moatillata posted:gently caress the rules Actually ##vote Moat - he's been posting a bunch but hasn't played any actual Mafia yet.
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Jul 11, 2018 21:06
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##unvote ##vote Moat My bad.
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Jul 11, 2018 21:22
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Murmur Twin posted:This post gives the impression of content but doesn't really say anything. Quick top three: 1: Anpu - their thing about framing Max's case on you in bad faith doesn't sit right with me at all and I think the fact that it didn't get any traction is part and parcel of why Anpu dropped it. 2: IcePhoenix - Unlike other people who haven't shown up (IS, Moat to some degree), IcePhoenix has been around but has made little contributions outside of engaging in the game itself and hasn't made any real reads, or any content that reads like a cursory attempt to find scum. 3: GeneX - Meta read, but Gene's usually more speculative as town. The idea of them dropping a Lurker vote D1 doesn't sit right with me at all.
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Jul 11, 2018 21:24
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Some  hottakes: I don't like either of slams cases I don't like the flavor game because it has completely hosed the votes for D1 Looking back at mmt' s response to me: Murmur Twin posted:My role is basically me IRL, I'll leave it up to you to determine my alignment from that. Imo this is classic scum mmt, she hates being called out as scum and isn't engaging my question directly. I'm confident enough to throw this down as my first serious d1 vote ##unvote ##vote mmt I would also vote bee movie, slam, IS atm I am suspicious of TNL purely for meta reasons due to The Mary Celeste and the outstanding job he did with the RPing as scum. Not strong enough to vote atm. Slight susp on max with the exaggerated call out of the flavor game I feel good about AA (?!?!?!), Mona
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Also mmt voting me is classic scum mmt since I have pegged her as scum so many times
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Jul 11, 2018 22:06
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Someday I will get through a d1 without being called scummy. ...someday 
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Jul 11, 2018 22:08
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IcePhoenix posted:Someday I will get through a d1 without being called scummy. "Why, if someone called me scummy I'd take it as quite the compliment! The alternative would be so much worse. Can you imagine, someone mistaking you for a boring, hand-wringing townie? I shudder to think of it." I am satisfied with my pit winnings for now, and signal for the handlers to return my champion to his pen for some well-earned rest. Time to return to my stakes in the table game. There are more players seated here than when I had left it, which pleases me. More fish to nibble on my line.
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"Oh, Murmur Twin! There you are! Welcome to the table. I've been warming them up for you, just make sure you leave some for me before you clean house entirely." I let out an inward breath I had not realized I had been holding. Of course Murmur Twin is playing in the bosses' game! It was absurd of me to fret otherwise.Murmur Twin posted:##vote IS But something strikes me as odd about her initial play. Specifically it is that Murmur Twin accuses Sober of suspicion for playing in a self-conscious way, when the same could easily be said about Murmur Twin's own intro to this suspicion. It seems very self-conscious of Murmur Twin to defend against accusations of hypocritically voting a lurker before any have been made and when her main argument has nothing to do with lurking. Ironically this makes Murmur Twin's vote hypocritical for a different reason. ...Wait, what am I even thinking about? We're playing cards! I came here to play cards, not to fall over some dramatic stunt. But perhaps we are indeed the scorpions placed into a pit of our own, and like scorpions we cannot but fight to the death.
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Slamburger posted:IS challenges TNL for $40: Elalix loses to Alkham Well, dammit. ##unvote Slamburger posted:The two behaviors I was looking for were passive play, and also a turnaround for people that initially didn't want to play but then did anyways, which would indicate cautiousness then bandwagoning to fit in and produce empty content. Nobody fell into the second camp, so there's nobody to finger there, but there were two passive players: Slam, considering you came up with this game for everyone else to play that you initially said you wouldn't play yourself (and then relented and played anyway), can't it be argued that you did exactly the two things you said you were looking for as scummy in others? GeneX posted:((Instead of third person, I'm going to RP in first person so it's at least intelligible.)) The time I was gone from the thread happened to coincide with most of the action in Slam's mini game. I was sorry to have missed a bunch of it. I'm not sure why you find that objectionable. Atomic Soda posted:i'm very happy with my slamburger vote at the moment, but sober is in this game? At this point as I'm catching up I don't have a ton of strong feelings in any direction, although as mentioned above I do raise an eyebrow at Slam stating the purpose of his game without realizing it can just as easily be applied to himself. I have no idea how to interpret this. Are you driving at something here or is this just flavor? Murmur Twin posted:Humorously, I spent yesterday running games at a legal casino and then going home to my den and doing legal drugs No, I didn't have a scum read on TNL, I simply was playing along with the game. I sort of implied as much. I already addressed the rest of this in my response to GeneX. The Ninth Layer posted:But something strikes me as odd about her initial play. Specifically it is that Murmur Twin accuses Sober of suspicion for playing in a self-conscious way, when the same could easily be said about Murmur Twin's own intro to this suspicion. It seems very self-conscious of Murmur Twin to defend against accusations of hypocritically voting a lurker before any have been made and when her main argument has nothing to do with lurking. Ironically this makes Murmur Twin's vote hypocritical for a different reason. Reasonable point. She may have been responding to getting called out on her own meta, but mentioning it in general when she says she's making a different argument is a little strange.
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I “vanished” due to time zones, but I forgive jumping to that conclusion in the circumstances. My defence/outrage over the MMT case has been greatly exaggerated, I didn’t like it because it was an extremely meta case, based on literally zero content, that Max tried to both hard sell and soft sell afterwards, which to me made it come across as a disingenuous read. “Proving” that I’ve been playing mafia properly the whole time is something I can’t do at this point, but push comes to shove I can reveal day 2. But I haven’t made a single post in this game that wasn’t designed to hunt scum.
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Also I don’t buy Slam’s claim that his game was designed as a scum spotting tool, especially in the light of his criteria for spotting scum highlighted myself, a town player. This feels more like a back-pedalled justification after being accused of wasting time.
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The Ninth Layer posted:"Why, if someone called me scummy I'd take it as quite the compliment! The alternative would be so much worse. Can you imagine, someone mistaking you for a boring, hand-wringing townie? I shudder to think of it." I don't like this post ##unvote ##vote TNL
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IllegallySober posted:Slam, considering you came up with this game for everyone else to play that you initially said you wouldn't play yourself (and then relented and played anyway), can't it be argued that you did exactly the two things you said you were looking for as scummy in others? Ehhhhh not really in the way I was describing them as scummy but if you want to call me scum for running the game you're entitled to that opinion but please don't for either of the reasons I gave about others since I don't think they apply at all. Passive play was specifically asking for others to challenge them. The whole point of a not-playing then playing thing would have been a scum tell if it occurred like over some period of time after others were playing and scum would feel uncomfortable not participating if a lot of other people were. Again, nobody even fit this pattern so its totally moot but that was what my thought process was. And again, I did not run this game as a scum hunting tool, or even have my two scum indicators in mind when I started the game. I just wanted to cut through the boredom of D1 and that cool flavor picture made me want to do something. It was only after I starting thinking a little more about it as people were playing that those two scenarios emerged in my mind of things that might be scummy and then I looked back through the play histories at that point to see if anyone fit the bill.
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IcePhoenix posted:I don't like this post "Oh dear. Perhaps you're not as scummy as I thought you were."
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Anpu posted:I “vanished” due to time zones, but I forgive jumping to that conclusion in the circumstances. Max posted:What time zone does Anpu live in? It's almost like I had considered this. [quote"Anpu" post="486023985" My defence/outrage over the MMT case has been greatly exaggerated, I didn’t like it because it was an extremely meta case, based on literally zero content, that Max tried to both hard sell and soft sell afterwards, which to me made it come across as a disingenuous read. “Proving” that I’ve been playing mafia properly the whole time is something I can’t do at this point, but push comes to shove I can reveal day 2. But I haven’t made a single post in this game that wasn’t designed to hunt scum. [/quote] You haven't hunted scum, you just shat on my opening post and provided nothing of your own. And if you're going to justify your playing Slam's game as participating, let me save you the trouble Anpu posted:Also I don’t buy Slam’s claim that his game was designed as a scum spotting tool, especially in the light of his criteria for spotting scum highlighted myself, a town player. This feels more like a back-pedalled justification after being accused of wasting time. Do you view that game as a helpful tool to hunt scum, and if so what did you glean from it? Otherwise this is just a really extravagantly wrapped post that amounts to: "I have no other opinions about the players in this game."
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