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Didn't they explain it in a distant star when Garibaldi was trying to cook his stuff? Something to do with the weight vs space=cost pay off.
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Dirty posted:Surely all the aliens would be more of a health risk to each other? Adding a few chickens doesn't seem like that much of a difference. Not really. Animals can be VERY good at hiding serious illnesses until it's too late. Not to mention potential vectors like fleas or parasites. Aliens coming through the station are just like any other international traveller; There's some risk, but by-and-large you've got people who are bright enough to take immunization shots and not go out among the populace if they know they're contagious with the flu. You're also dealing with the fact that all those species have interacted for decades, if not centuries. Cross-contamination like what you imply would be a long-solved problem already.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not really. Animals can be VERY good at hiding serious illnesses until it's too late. Don't be rude about the markab
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Jul 10, 2018 19:29
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I keep thinking of the episode where they're chatting cloak-and-dagger stuff in the bathroom, and in the background there's this sealed airlock door marked 'Pak'ma'ra use only'.
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Jul 10, 2018 22:39
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Better than cleaning the methane toilets.
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Dirty posted:Surely all the aliens would be more of a health risk to each other? Adding a few chickens doesn't seem like that much of a difference. A few chickens always make a difference. Just ask this guy: 
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Bieeanshee posted:I keep thinking of the episode where they're chatting cloak-and-dagger stuff in the bathroom, and in the background there's this sealed airlock door marked 'Pak'ma'ra use only'. Pak'ma'ra are carrion eaters. You really don't want to go in there.
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Jedit posted:Pak'ma'ra are carrion eaters. You really don't want to go in there. And that hump? It’s not a hump. It’s where they have their...
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Narsham posted:A few chickens always make a difference. Just ask this guy: Hah, I wouldn't have recognised that until a certain Twitch marathon kicked off recently 
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drat, just watched confessions and lamentations. Wow I did not remember this one at all from when I was a kid. Kind of ballsy to wipe out an entire species and have no real redeeming ending.
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Darth Freddy posted:drat, just watched confessions and lamentations. Wow I did not remember this one at all from when I was a kid. Kind of ballsy to wipe out an entire species and have no real redeeming ending. What I liked about it was it has absolutely nothing to do with the arching plot. There's no Shadow or Vorlon interference, it was all their own embarrassing hubris.
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Darth Freddy posted:drat, just watched confessions and lamentations. Wow I did not remember this one at all from when I was a kid. Kind of ballsy to wipe out an entire species and have no real redeeming ending. It's a Strong episode.
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Jul 14, 2018 06:09
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Doctor Zero posted:And that hump? It’s not a hump. It’s where they have their... Isn't the hump the male? They're like anglerfish.
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Darth Freddy posted:drat, just watched confessions and lamentations. Wow I did not remember this one at all from when I was a kid. Kind of ballsy to wipe out an entire species and have no real redeeming ending. Back in 1995 they wrote a show about a race of people so obsessed and concerned over morality that they would allow a medical disease to overwhelm and wipe out their entire race rather then face it head on. I think I read that they were alluding to AIDS or something at the time, but with all the craziness going on in the world now it doesn't really seem that far fetched for an entrenched culture to just blindly reject science and medicine in favor of some social concern.
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pentyne posted:Back in 1995 they wrote a show about a race of people so obsessed and concerned over morality that they would allow a medical disease to overwhelm and wipe out their entire race rather then face it head on. JMS himself stated it was not at all about AIDS.
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Jul 14, 2018 07:56
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Frankly, that episode reminded me about the Jehovah's Witnesses more than anything else
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Neddy Seagoon posted:What I liked about it was it has absolutely nothing to do with the arching plot. There's no Shadow or Vorlon interference, it was all their own embarrassing hubris. There's a not entirely unsubstantiated theory that the Drafa Plague was created or refined by the Shadows. There's evidence that the Markab knew the Shadows were returning before Delenn told anyone about it. It was hubris that got them, but the possibility exists that they were pushed.
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Polaron posted:Isn't the hump the male? They're like anglerfish. Yeah. Of course everyone (myself included) originally thought it was a genitals joke.
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JMS said the hump was the female, but I'm not sure how that works. Also the Narn are like seahorses and the male gives birth. And we all know about the Centauri. (In "Born to the Purple" they considered showing the 'receptacles' on Adira's back but decided against it.)
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Jul 14, 2018 15:25
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There's also all the stuff they originally planned on doing with Delenn. JMS is awesome he's a weirdo.
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Jedit posted:There's a not entirely unsubstantiated theory that the Drafa Plague was created or refined by the Shadows. There's evidence that the Markab knew the Shadows were returning before Delenn told anyone about it. It was hubris that got them, but the possibility exists that they were pushed. I've seen some "fanon" that suggests that Jha'Dur (Deathwalker) was responsible for the Markab plague. I don't think there's anything to suggest it in the actual show though.
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Q_res posted:I've seen some "fanon" that suggests that Jha'Dur (Deathwalker) was responsible for the Markab plague. I don't think there's anything to suggest it in the actual show though. Given the original plague struck Drafa in ancient times, at best she could have been responsible for reviving it. But there's no clear mechanism through which that could have happened. The Shadows seem more likely, though it's also possible that the disease recurred randomly and it was the Markab response that guaranteed their extinction.
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Narsham posted:Given the original plague struck Drafa in ancient times, at best she could have been responsible for reviving it. But there's no clear mechanism through which that could have happened. The Shadows seem more likely, though it's also possible that the disease recurred randomly and it was the Markab response that guaranteed their extinction. Possible, but remember that originally Drafa was confined to a single island. Not only would that be a good testing ground for a plague - you don't want to expose the general population in case it's too weak and they become immune - it's also probable that the Markab wouldn't go back, even with their pride, because that's the kind of thing that leads to a place becoming taboo. If nobody mentioned that hey, yeah, we went to Dead Sinner Island and now there's plague about, then that strongly implies it wasn't the source.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:What I liked about it was it has absolutely nothing to do with the arching plot. There's no Shadow or Vorlon interference, it was all their own embarrassing hubris. What's sad is that no matter what it would of still had happen. Maybe if they had known right away but never know. pentyne posted:Back in 1995 they wrote a show about a race of people so obsessed and concerned over morality that they would allow a medical disease to overwhelm and wipe out their entire race rather then face it head on. I don't know about aids but yeah to play it out that way with out pulling any punches was pretty brave. Angry Lobster posted:Frankly, that episode reminded me about the Jehovah's Witnesses more than anything else For jeovahs witnesses or Mormons I think the episode was "belivers" where the parents would not let their kid have a procedure because it would require cutting the skin wich would release his soul. That some like something that could very well be part of a current relegion.
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Pick posted:It's a Strong episode. Strong is a understatement. With all the camera time they gave the little girl you would normally think they were going to save her.
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Narsham posted:Given the original plague struck Drafa in ancient times, at best she could have been responsible for reviving it. But there's no clear mechanism through which that could have happened. The Shadows seem more likely, though it's also possible that the disease recurred randomly and it was the Markab response that guaranteed their extinction. Seems like.y to be engineered because it’s very unlikely for a disease to be 100% contagious and 100% lethal.
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Doctor Zero posted:Seems like.y to be engineered because it’s very unlikely for a disease to be 100% contagious and 100% lethal. It was caused by a genetic condition the Markab brought on themselves because they genocided the other sentient species on their planet they were supposed to cross-breed with. Basically they were all inbred just enough to make them all genetically viable to the plague rather than the other way around.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It was caused by a genetic condition the Markab brought on themselves because they genocided the other sentient species on their planet they were supposed to cross-breed with. Different episode. The one you're thinking of is a season 5 episode B plot.
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Vord posted:Different episode. The one you're thinking of is a season 5 episode B plot. Wait, really? Am I thinking of that other Markab-ish race?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Wait, really? Am I thinking of that other Markab-ish race? The Hyach, yes. With the Hyach-do as the other species.
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I also like they weave it into the story later but using the markab gate as a weapon, because it's not being used by anyone by scavengers now. This is far better than having an entire species wiped out and it not having any kind of consequences later. I'm getting toward mid-season 4 and it's so much better the second time around/now that I'm older. Is season 5 worth watching? I just stopped at Sleeping in Light last time.
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I think season 5 is stronger than its reputation; the Byron plot drags a bit, but you get tons of great Bester moments. And the second half of the season is pretty much all Londo, all the time, so... you know, good stuff.
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Angry Salami posted:the Byron plot drags a bit, It was a disaster and a limp fish of a story that JMS wanted to do about a serious no poo poo telepath war. It could've been saved by some many things but in the end it just wasn't engaging and it forced this random new character to try and go toe to toe with Walter Koenig and come off like something you'd expect in a local community theater play.
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Yeah, but it's not as bad when you're rewatching and going through a few episodes a night than when it was literally months worth of episodes that all seemed to be set in the same brown coridor...
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Angry Salami posted:Yeah, but it's not as bad when you're rewatching and going through a few episodes a night than when it was literally months worth of episodes that all seemed to be set in the same brown coridor... I will freely admit the Harlan Ellison episode is especially entertaining. Whether or not the episode really makes sense it was a great new perspective on runnings of B5.
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Was the decision to end the overarcing plot of the story in the early-to-mid part of S4 a choice, or the result of the cancelled-wait-no-we-aren't situation the series had near the end? Every time I do a rewatch, I'm pretty much done after that. I love that Lorien says "oh they are here to talk to you, I can't interfere", but the minute the Sheridan's words fall to convince them to gently caress off, Lorien has to steps in and goes "Hey my dudes, this guy is right". e: oh man, I love when the nukes go off and it jump cuts to Tallman's  face.
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Angry Salami posted:I think season 5 is stronger than its reputation; the Byron plot drags a bit, but you get tons of great Bester moments. And the second half of the season is pretty much all Londo, all the time, so... you know, good stuff. The Byron plot is just an irredeemable and colossal boat anchor for the first half of season 5. And you can tell this because once it's burned to the ground and never spoken of again the season kicks off proper from the very next episode.
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Byron Lives!
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MisterBibs posted:Was the decision to end the overarcing plot of the story in the early-to-mid part of S4 a choice, or the result of the cancelled-wait-no-we-aren't situation the series had near the end? Every time I do a rewatch, I'm pretty much done after that. The important thing is that Lorien can't be the one who declares what the younger races want. If he does, then Sheridan becomes his mouthpiece and nothing changes except there's now three Elder factions instead of two. To mean anything it has to be the younger races making their own choice, with Lorien in a passive - even subservient - position supporting their decision. Also the plot didn't end in early S4, only the Shadow War. The Shadow War was always intended to end at the end of S4, with the Earth Civil War and Fall of Centauri Prime arcs being S5. JMS has never exactly hidden the inspiration he took from Lord of the Rings. In the book the struggle does not end with the destruction of the One Ring; nor does the story in B5 end happily as soon as the villain is defeated. S1-4 is about struggling for the right to choose our future. S5 is about building it.
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