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chernobyl kinsman posted:the bible has ghosts in it you loving dunce Ghosts aren't real and the Bible is literally true so...
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's also fair. The Sorcerer's House might also be totally mundane, and the whole thing a con; such a reading has a fair amount of support.
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Shark Sandwich posted:Edit: The series also has some of the worst cover art I've ever seen: 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's also fair. Few genre elements??? It has Dracula in it, hidden treasures in a house, all sorts of spy genre stuff...
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Get a load of the hardcover omnibus. Jerkin’ on my fuligin sword
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Get a load of the hardcover omnibus. thats what i wear when i gently caress
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Jul 14, 2018 20:37
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My big, fuligin, hand and a half bastard sword if you catch my metaphorical drift
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Jul 14, 2018 20:38
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I'm a big fan of the redesigns, though they look straight out of a Genndy Tartakovsky adaption. The cover for Shadow and Claw is also very good.
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Hmm yes, rejected art from the Dragon Age video game series, that's the poo poo.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Get a load of the hardcover omnibus. I feel like making fun of this dude would be considered kinkshaming
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Isn't that the mystery dude who had a fetish for walking around remote areas in a cloak and gas mask, and he was so spooky at a distance that he sparked urban legends, and disappeared after leaving behind a letter complaining that the publicity forced him to abandon his hobby. He only wanted to a quiet life. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 14, 2018 |
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There's also the Yoshitaka Amano versions. https://twitter.com/JohnImadNasr/status/987647364050640902
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Ccs posted:I'm a big fan of the redesigns, though they look straight out of a Genndy Tartakovsky adaption. they look straight out of deviantart is what they look
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chernobyl kinsman posted:they look straight out of a Steam sale is what they look
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Oh yeah I just remembered the part where Severian considers loving a giant mermaid monster a day or two after raping Jolenta and loving someone who might be his grandmother that he accidentally resurrected
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Shark Sandwich posted:Oh yeah I just remembered the part where Severian considers loving a giant mermaid monster a day or two after raping Jolenta and loving someone who might be his grandmother that he accidentally resurrected To be fair he didn't know that was his grandmother at that time. He never thought of loving the undines either though he did think they were pretty hot. I don't think they are mermaid-type things though - they really look like giant women.
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To be fair he didn't know that was his grandmother at that time. He never thought of loving the undines either though he did think they were pretty hot. I don't think they are mermaid-type things though - they really look like giant women.
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avshalemon posted:To be fair he didn't know that was his grandmother at that time. He never thought of loving the undines either though he did think they were pretty hot. I don't think they are mermaid-type things though - they really look like giant women. lol
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Smart brained fantasy writer puts big titty undines in his books and they don't get hosed? Sad!
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avshalemon posted:To be fair he didn't know that was his grandmother at that time. He never thought of loving the undines either though he did think they were pretty hot. I don't think they are mermaid-type things though - they really look like giant women.
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like Neurosis how did you manage to get halfway through typing that without being overcome by a terrible sense of existential horror
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Because I am aware of the context and feel no fear of obloquy from goons for endorsing the source material. But if it's enough for you guys to get cognitive closure on Wolfe and feel confident in deriding him in the future, I'm happy to oblige.
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Neurosis posted:Because I am aware of the context and feel no fear of obloquy from goons for endorsing the source material. But if it's enough for you guys to get cognitive closure on Wolfe and feel confident in deriding him in the future, I'm happy to oblige. I appreciate the hustle in flipping on the grandiloquence switch and to make us forget you were just talking about a dude loving his grandma but its ok because he didn't know it was his grandma
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In context the guy loving his grandma is actually good
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Not appreciating the kink shaming in this thread
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Severian the Torturer Did Nothing Wrong
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I for one am stunned that genre pulp trash might have weird sex stuff in it, someone needs to take this to the newspaper and get the scoop on this hot story
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I appreciate the hustle in flipping on the grandiloquence switch and to make us forget you were just talking about a dude loving his grandma but its ok because he didn't know it was his grandma How would that not be okay? Can you say with any certainty you have not hosed your grandma, presuming time travel is real?
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Oh I loved Book of the New Sun because it is completely bonkers. I’m pointing out the pulpy genre stuff because to me what makes it so great is that it’s packed with this stuff it treated with the utmost gravity because none of it seems particularly weird to Severian. Edit: also Fifth Head of Cerberus is unequivocally great sci-fi imo Shark Sandwich fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jul 15, 2018 |
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I appreciate the hustle in flipping on the grandiloquence switch and to make us forget you were just talking about a dude loving his grandma but its ok because he didn't know it was his grandma This isn't me saying Slaughterhouse Five is exactly the same as, idk, the Star Wars Expanded Universe. This is me saying that the presence of absence of aliens or magic doesn't make something literary or not literary, as agreed upon by everyone in this thread, so it's a bit dumb to use that as a means of going 'ah, obviously this book is trash'. Every genre, including Dickensian Gothic, has authors that just write to the genre conventions without taking the care to think about the craft and whether they're presenting more than spectacle or stale predictability. This is just somewhat worse in the Fantasy and Science Fiction genres, since the spectacle is more at the forefront so it's easier to only provide that. But bad and derivative writing has been a thing for as long as writing has been a thing. I'm not saying you have to find Gene Wolfe literary, I've never read any of his stuff. But there should be some appreciation for the crafting of something that isn't just a flash in the pan of spectacle, even if you don't like it.
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Hah, so you think Kurt Vonnegut is a great author.
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How do you feel about Vladimir Nabokov's Ada or Ardor
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Or, for that matter, Eco's Baudolino? (Eco may not be fair since BotL is literally the villain in Name of the Rose come to life.)
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Thranguy posted:Or, for that matter, Eco's Baudolino? You mean the book I keep recommending to people in several threads?
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I liked Name of the Rose a lot, but I've never been able to make it through Baudolino, it just loses me. Maybe one day I'll finish it and love it
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PetraCore posted:I mean that's straight up Oedipus. You can dumb down a lot of classic literature to the worst and weirdest elements. Likewise, Slaughterhouse Five has aliens and space zoos with human exhibits and really really bad in-universe science fiction. Not even being snide but I have no idea what you are trying to say here
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Not even being snide but I have no idea what you are trying to say here It's mean to mock genre fiction
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He's saying you should judge works by their prose, not their content.
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