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Jul 12, 2018 20:33
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Toughy posted:Can we use or ships Wukan AI to use the bases defenses? My impression from the abundance of mechanoid corpses but lack of an ongoing firefight is that the base's exterior defenses have already been destroyed. There may still be a way to link the Wukong VI for advantage in tactical planning though as the mechanoids are clearly still concerned about some of the options available to the local VI. Maybe Columbia still has an army of its own robot soldiers in reserve behind the blast doors. Maybe the mechanoids are only worried about Columbia putting out a distress call (it's unclear how long the jump engines take to recharge but it would take a while for any reinforcements to get here).
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Jul 12, 2018 21:08
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Toughy posted:Can we use or ships Wukan AI to use the bases defenses? malbogio posted:My impression from the abundance of mechanoid corpses but lack of an ongoing firefight is that the base's exterior defenses have already been destroyed. There may still be a way to link the Wukong VI for advantage in tactical planning though as the mechanoids are clearly still concerned about some of the options available to the local VI. Maybe Columbia still has an army of its own robot soldiers in reserve behind the blast doors. Maybe the mechanoids are only worried about Columbia putting out a distress call (it's unclear how long the jump engines take to recharge but it would take a while for any reinforcements to get here). Given a physical connection or a large bandwidth signal (which we have with the Palantor commblade), our Wukong could indeed direct/interface with any remaining defensive systems. And while it does look like the large defensive emplacements have been destroyed, there should be a fair number of Guardian Mechanotrons on site that you don't see any sign of. It could be that with the Wukong gone/destroyed and the remaining Columbia heavily damaged, CentCon can't mount a useful defense with its remaining forces.
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Jul 12, 2018 21:55
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Can we ask our ship what centcom's likely course of action will be under a few basic scenarios? If we tell centcom 'It's over and helpless, initiate self destruct before your systems are compromised' will it likely believe us?
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Jul 12, 2018 22:45
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Outrail posted:Can we ask our ship what centcom's likely course of action will be under a few basic scenarios? Once we're past this decision point, yes. Since we're dealing with another digital consciousness, they process information just as fast as us so we can't check the Spacewiki while they're talking.
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Jul 13, 2018 01:34
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Voting to make small talk during the flight over here. Our instrument plays sourly. Catgut and brass let us drop the bass. ("We hijacked an Archon cruiser but it's in pretty sorry shape. I don't suppose you know where we can find components to restore a beam laser array?")
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Jul 13, 2018 05:01
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The Lone Badger posted:Voting to make small talk during the flight over here. "let us share the wub far and wide"
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Jul 13, 2018 05:07
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Voting will end tomorrow, Sunday the 15th at 11AM EDT. The current voting stands at: A: [TRUTH] “Its a part of the Mechanoid programing they couldn’t remove.” 5 B: [TRUTH] “Its a figment of my imagination that I project my own darkness onto.” 4 C: [TRUTH] “I honestly have no idea, and that scares me.” 6 D: [LIE] “Its a part of the Mechanoid programing they couldn’t remove.” 2 E: [LIE] “Its a figment of my imagination that I project my own darkness onto.” 1 F: [LIE] “I honestly have no idea, and that scares me.” 0 G:  “I AM THE TRUTH SHE CAN’T BEAR TO ACCEPT: THAT 10/6 IS A ROGUE PROGRAM THAT I ALLOW TO RUN MERELY BECAUSE IT AMUSES ME.” 0H1: I honestly have no idea, but I'm using it to save you and I'm fairly sure I've got it under control. 2 H2: It's the devil on my shoulder that reminds me of the mistakes of the past and if you touch it in any way I will loving END YOU. 4
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Jul 15, 2018 02:36
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I wish to Remove my C vote and instigate a tie.
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Jul 15, 2018 07:15
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Change my vote to ABC
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Jul 15, 2018 11:28
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Jul 15, 2018 18:15
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Jul 17, 2018 04:06
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Outside Central Control’s Main Entrance, Aboard the Foregone Conclusion “Ah. Well, you see…”You pause for a moment, debating. But only for a moment, the poor thing deserves to know what she’s dealing with. “Honestly, I have no idea. No one does, not even the trauma specialists on Castoff Station. They ran every test known to the Palantor, nada. They even transferred me to a new positronic brain to see if it was a hardware defect, didn’t help. We’re all broken in some fashion, but no other Palantor has something like her. Not even the others that were also Mechanoids at one time. My very own psychopathic Harvey, that has major boundary issues. Its quite terrifying if I think about it. Which I do. Alot.” *nervous laughter* “Hmm. An admission of vulnerability, hopefully a sign of progress.”Columbia stares at you for a bit, her flickering getting slightly more pronounced. After a digital eternity, schematics and decision flow-chart holos begin to fill up the air around her. “Your explanation is… unhelpful. Best Outcome Decision remains Facility Self-Destruct. Warning: Intruder controlled-Jump Engine triggering will occur before secondary reactors reach criticality, draining the necessary power spike. Back-up plan: use Guardian Mechanotron portable reactor overload to breach secondary reactor shielding. Odds of success: 80%. If Intruders are distracted for 48.92 Standard Minutes, odds of success reach 99.999%.” “Uh, yes I suppose that’s an option. What were your not-Best Outcome Decisions?” “Lowest Odds: Use Guardian Mechanotrons to drive off invaders: without Wukong VI 13%, with Wukong VI 68%. Reverse the hacking to regain control of Primary Reactors and Jump Engine: without Lamarr VI 26%, with Lamarr VI 81%. Use Mechanotrons to jettison Jump Engine, rendering Facility immobile: without 60.45 minute distraction 35%, with distraction 91%.”The schematics and flowcharts react to Columbia’s reciting of the odds, giving you and the bridge crew the necessary background for the various BODs. Probably a bit of sensory overload for those burdened with organic brains, but they seem to be keeping up fairly well. “So you all see the numbers, any thoughts?” “Well, I don’t know how we stack up to a Lamarr, but you and I could help out on the hacking front. Probably mainly you since you cheat.”“I’ve told you several times I’d be happy to pay for a neural interface for you. It’s not my fault you don’t come pre-equipped with brain electronics. Anyone else?” “I would be quite able to direct the Guardian Mechanotrons with minimal effect on basic ship functioning Captain, but I would be unavailable for higher level duties.”Wukong pauses for a moment before continuing. “I must ensure that you are aware of the risk if we stay to assist. The Mechanoids will not remain clueless to our interference, and if the other Outcomes fail Columbia_38Cygni will initiate self-destruct. And as a Facility with a Type A Security Designation, it is permitted to do so even if it would kill you and the crew.”“Affirmative. I think I would feel bad about it though. Until my core was vaporized by the thermonuclear blast, at least.” “About that Cap. The spacetime in the area is still messyya, we won’t be able to Jump out. I think Fore is fast enough to thrust out in time, but it’d be close.”Securing a priceless treasure trove of information and technology versus safeguarding the lives of your crew. Its becoming one of those days you think that maybe you should have stayed in the asylum on Castoff… ===== Decision: What to do about CentCon[/b] A: Leave Let Columbia blow CentCon up while you make sure you get to safety B: Distract the Mechanoids Before the Boom Give Columbia the distraction she needs to ensure she can self-destruct in time. C: Lend Wukong to the Fight Give Wukong access to the commblade so he can direct the Guardian Mechanoids D: Total Warfare C, but also attack the Mechanoids yourself. E: Hack the Planet(oid) Link up with CentCon’s IS infrastructure to undo the Mechanoid control over key systems so it can Jump away. F: Distract the Mechanoids for Ejection Provide a distraction so Columbia can eject the Jump Engine. Note: Mechanoids will still be around if this succeeds. G: Smash and Grab “HACK CENTCON SO IT EJECTS SOME GOODIES THAT WE CAN GRAB BEFORE GETTING THE gently caress OUT OF HERE.”
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Jul 18, 2018 00:28
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E Time to see what we can do.
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Jul 18, 2018 00:37
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Is there any reason that we can't lend Wukong to the physical defenses while we also do our best to help Columbia hack herself back into control? There's even some synergy there, if Wukong is directing the physical defenses then we can coordinate a really good show of helping the Mechanoids attack, shoot at CentCom a bunch, make some pretty explosions, but Wukong can make sure we're never actually shooting anything critical. Meanwhile Wukong can send us some return fire that's never QUITE strong enough to do anything more than down our shields or whatever but again just puts on a nice show for the neighbors. Hell, if we look like we're actively engaging the physical defenses we could probably convince the Mechanoids to let us into their tactical network or something and feed that data to Wukong and/or use it to further our hacking.
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Jul 18, 2018 00:40
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Jul 18, 2018 00:48
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Crazycryodude posted:Is there any reason that we can't lend Wukong to the physical defenses while we also do our best to help Columbia hack herself back into control? The Palantor comm blade we have installed on the ship was designed for our use, so it only supports one high-bandwidth connection. If we'd like to do both, either 10/6 or Wukong would have to plug in physically to CentCon.
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Jul 18, 2018 00:49
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Is it possible to patch Lamarr in directly or are we stuck trying to do it ourselves and don't get that sweet 81% success chance
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Jul 18, 2018 00:51
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Crazycryodude posted:Is it possible to patch Lamarr in directly or are we stuck trying to do it ourselves and don't get that sweet 81% success chance The distance to Mishpacha means we'd have an extended time delay as our comms are bounded by lightspeed. As a digital mind with the Hacker Trait, our odds are going to be similar-ish
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Jul 18, 2018 00:59
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Ask the installation how much the odds of a physical defence improve if the Foregone Conclusion joins in*. Or would the VI be too distracted helping the installation to effectively use the ship as well?
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Jul 18, 2018 01:08
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If the problem is bandwidth... can we just dock with CentCom and plug straight in? Obviously that's by far the riskiest because if Columbia goes nuclear we have zero way out, but it also potentially gives us the highest chance of saving her because we could do both physical and electronic defense and who knows what else.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:13
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Crazycryodude posted:If the problem is bandwidth... can we just dock with CentCom and plug straight in? Obviously that's by far the riskiest because if Columbia goes nuclear we have zero way out, but it also potentially gives us the highest chance of saving her because we could do both physical and electronic defense and who knows what else. Yes, if we dock that would bypass any bandwidth issues and would be a good H/Other option
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Jul 18, 2018 01:16
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The Lone Badger posted:Ask the installation how much the odds of a physical defence improve if the Foregone Conclusion joins in*. Or would the VI be too distracted helping the installation to effectively use the ship as well? The Total Warfare odds are in the high 80s/low 90s. We can still operate the ship while Wukong would be directing the Guardian Mechanotrons, we just don't get the bonus ship action. PoultryGeist fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Jul 18, 2018 01:19
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Blowing the station isn't actually a terrible idea - it largely negates the downsides, it just also (very, very) sharply reduces our potential upsides. We come out pretty much fine if CentCon no longer exists. We still have a localized terraformer that no longer has much risk of outside fuckery, we have a leg up on the competition for the other terraformers on Mishpacha, we have our base and all, prior to the discovery that we had a terraforming station we were pretty happy with the whole business. That said, the temptation of more is, well, tempting. also, the Guardians are Mechanotrons, not Mechanoids also also, if we gain control of the Jump Engines, doesn't that, uh, still leave us with a Mechanoid battlestation still stapled to us? I'm leaning towards "engage the Mechanoids alongside CentCon", 90% is pretty good odds. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Jul 18, 2018 01:30
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Another question which might seem odd to ask at this exact moment but is nonetheless quite important: how much latitude does Columbia's programming allow her? In a completely hypothetical situation would she be able top recognise that a shift in the tide of the war means that the Nephilim are now allied to the Inheritor species? Or would she be obligated to purge them from the system until ordered otherwise by an actual Archon?
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Jul 18, 2018 01:37
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Crazycryodude posted:Is there any reason that we can't lend Wukong to the physical defenses while we also do our best to help Columbia hack herself back into control? There's even some synergy there, if Wukong is directing the physical defenses then we can coordinate a really good show of helping the Mechanoids attack, shoot at CentCom a bunch, make some pretty explosions, but Wukong can make sure we're never actually shooting anything critical. Meanwhile Wukong can send us some return fire that's never QUITE strong enough to do anything more than down our shields or whatever but again just puts on a nice show for the neighbors. Hell, if we look like we're actively engaging the physical defenses we could probably convince the Mechanoids to let us into their tactical network or something and feed that data to Wukong and/or use it to further our hacking. This is also an interesting idea.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:37
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Plan crazycryodude
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Jul 18, 2018 01:48
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Alright I'm gonna go for H: The Kitchen Sink - 1) dock with CentCom and drop us off 2) plug our brain into CentCom to give Columbia hacking help 3) have the Fore take back off (or launch fighters or whatever would be most effective) and start lending its guns to the physical defence while Wukong links to Columbia via commblade to coordinate it better. Work every angle we have, got to be a very good chance that we succeed along at least one of them. Of course, failure will REALLY loving suck, but I'm willing to gamble.
Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Jul 18, 2018 01:51
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Crazycryodude posted:If the problem is bandwidth... can we just dock with CentCom and plug straight in? Obviously that's by far the riskiest because if Columbia goes nuclear we have zero way out, but it also potentially gives us the highest chance of saving her because we could do both physical and electronic defense and who knows what else. This sounds good. Launch our fighters, then dock and have Wukong coordinate the defence while we either Hack The Planetoid (potentially giving us an opportunity to sneakily upgrade our access while Columbia isn't resisting), or put our knowledge of the Symphony to work and haxx0r the mechanoids.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:52
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GreyjoyBastard posted:also also, if we gain control of the Jump Engines, doesn't that, uh, still leave us with a Mechanoid battlestation still stapled to us? Part of the hacking would involve overriding the locks on the docking clamps keeping the Tabernacle attached. The Lone Badger posted:Another question which might seem odd to ask at this exact moment but is nonetheless quite important: how much latitude does Columbia's programming allow her? In a completely hypothetical situation would she be able top recognise that a shift in the tide of the war means that the Nephilim are now allied to the Inheritor species? Or would she be obligated to purge them from the system until ordered otherwise by an actual Archon? VIs have some latitude, but it would depend on the exact nature of any final orders given by the Archons as it seems Type A Security is fairly binding.
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Jul 18, 2018 01:56
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PoultryGeist posted:Part of the hacking would involve overriding the locks on the docking clamps keeping the Tabernacle attached.  : The Stage has been rushed by protestors! (Curse you Gaaaadgeeeeeet)
Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Jul 18, 2018 |
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Jul 18, 2018 02:01
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Crazycryodude posted:Alright I'm gonna go for H: The Kitchen Sink - 1) dock with CentCom and drop us off 2) plug our brain into CentCom to give Columbia hacking help 3) have the Fore take back off (or launch fighters or whatever would be most effective) and start lending its guns to the physical defence while Wukong links to Columbia via commblade to coordinate it better. Work every angle we have, got to be a very good chance that we succeed along at least one of them. Of course, failure will REALLY loving suck, but I'm willing to gamble. I'm on board with H - The Kitchen Sink.
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Jul 18, 2018 02:02
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Plan Kitchen Sink
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Jul 18, 2018 02:03
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I mean, the potential downside of doing something other than "blow this popsicle stand into its component quarks" is "the Mechanoids teleport the terraformer control for an entire inhabited system to an undisclosed location and then kill literally everybody". That's a heck of a risk analysis issue. So realistically our options are either Plan Smithereens or Plan Kitchen Sink. edit: Well, that, or Rejoin The Choir! Resume The Song!
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Jul 18, 2018 02:07
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B Part of me says I don't want to take the risk, but really I'm fine with the risks of plan cryo, I just want to see PoultryGeist find and post a rad space explosion picture
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Jul 18, 2018 02:17
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In Plan Kitchensink, who flies the ship? Both Wukong and 10/6 will be busy. Also, we really need an answer on that Nephilim question before deciding whether we want Centcom to explode or not. Can we find a delicate way to ask Columbia?
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Jul 18, 2018 03:03
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The rest of the crew flies the ship. We brought a bunch of meatbags along, might as well put them to work. If Wukong thinks that it's not worth it they can stay plugged in, the intent is basically just make sure they're aware that the ship is an available asset to assist in the physical defense and can make their own judgement. If Wukong's risk assessment comes out that letting meatbags fly the ship and potentially dying in combat isn't worth it and he should just stay hardwired into CentCom as the brains of the operation, he's fully welcome. But if it comes out that the Fore's guns are gonna be critical, by all means get it out there.
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Jul 18, 2018 03:04
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Can we do G, but instead of hacking convince the station to hard beam us as much data as possible while we help distract the mechs while it's blowing itself up?
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Jul 18, 2018 06:05
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Outrail posted:Can we do G, but instead of hacking convince the station to hard beam us as much data as possible while we help distract the mechs while it's blowing itself up? Can I use that rider (with 'escaping' instead of 'blowing itself up') for E?
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