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akadajet posted:tesla is a SCAM and elon musk is a giant FRAUD woah woah woah! let's give him a chance!!!
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President Beep posted:woah woah woah! let's give him a chance!!! I agree. Too many people have such a disgusting anti-blood jewel Afrikaner billionaire bias, it's disgusting! 
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Jul 19, 2018 21:45
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Schadenboner posted:But won't that absolutely gently caress their margins (or profit per unit, whatever it's called?) if the denominator fills up with unsalables? plus elon still hopes to be cranking our 200k cars/year in the very near future; writing off a couple thousand duds becomes a rounding error in that scenario
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make more than people want, turn out to be a big lovely, dump then in the desert, cause a giant corporation to crash "E.T." stood for Elon's Teslas
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Jul 19, 2018 21:49
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Schadenboner posted:But won't that absolutely gently caress their margins (or profit per unit, whatever it's called?) if the denominator fills up with unsalables? it's already negative, so what's a little more negative?
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Jul 19, 2018 21:52
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President Beep posted:ah, the ol' units "produced" versus units "sold" switcharoo https://twitter.com/jonny290/status/1020048930397188096
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Jul 19, 2018 21:54
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all this story needs now is a mysterious fire leading to an insurance claim think of how long a lot of 5000 teslas would burn
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qirex posted:all this story needs now is a mysterious fire leading to an insurance claim Christ, that might be a China syndrome thing right there. Is how he plans to build the hyperloop? 
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Jul 19, 2018 22:04
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Schadenboner posted:But won't that absolutely gently caress their margins (or profit per unit, whatever it's called?) if the denominator fills up with unsalables? 
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Jul 19, 2018 22:05
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Schadenboner posted:But won't that absolutely gently caress their margins (or profit per unit, whatever it's called?) if the denominator fills up with unsalables? they already don't follow GAAP (for instance, they added the 500 million dollars they got in $1000 fully-refundable deposits on the model 3 to their revenue figures) so why start now
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Jul 19, 2018 22:06
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Sagebrush posted:they already don't follow GAAP (for instance, they added the 500 million dollars they got in $1000 fully-refundable deposits on the model 3 to their revenue figures) so why start now But who the hell would fund a company that doesn't use GAAP. What in the literal goddamn?
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Jul 19, 2018 22:07
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Schadenboner posted:But who the hell would fund a company that doesn't use GAAP. What in the literal goddamn? approximately 100% of silicon valley?
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Jul 19, 2018 22:08
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IM ANGRY. ANGRY ABOUT FIDUCIARY NEGLIGENCE.
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Jul 19, 2018 22:10
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someone find the article where the startup founder is quoted saying "no one is willing to fund you unless you're valued at a billion dollars, so that's where we set our valuation"
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Jul 19, 2018 22:10
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President Beep posted:like texas? lol
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FMguru posted:i see a fair number of model 3s here in the bay area but theyre probably owned by tesla employees i see a crapload of all their models on 280/101 but mostly it seems to be the S then again i'm one of those filthy renters in the billionaire enclave of los altos so there's a bias
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FMguru posted:there is such a thing as pushing your problems into the future. tesla needed a pr win NOW, and they got it - they can deal with the fallout later oh ???
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Suspicious Dish posted:what does "factory gated" mean i dont know anything about cars When I read it, I assumed it meant "gated" in the software development sense: "blocked".
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Suspicious Dish posted:ok i dont understand why they would put a giant sign saying that theyre bad cars on them then so they don't accidentally sell the cars that are held together with duct tape and chewing gum?
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Jul 19, 2018 22:23
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my coworker put an order in like a month ago with a 3-5 month delivery estimate. fast forward to this week, surprise your car is ready! but today he finds out "oh no the windshield is cracked it'll be another 1-3 weeks or maybe we can find you another one" seems fishy, even given how badly they put cars together.
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Jul 19, 2018 22:30
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:so they don't accidentally sell the cars that are held together with duct tape and chewing gum? but theyre selling model 3s to customers
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Jul 19, 2018 22:31
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there are a few model 3s/Ss/Xs in my neighborhood but I have no idea if the 3s are expensive or employee owned ones
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according to that tweet thread they are sending the factory gated cars to tesla dealerships. thats what i didnt figure out. why are they there?
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Suspicious Dish posted:according to that tweet thread they are sending the factory gated cars to tesla dealerships. thats what i didnt figure out. why are they there? if thats true (i doubt it is, theres a bunch of cars that just straight up vanished) -- then maybe they were supposed to be in the spot in the parking lot where they built the tent?
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Jul 19, 2018 22:34
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Schadenboner posted:But won't that absolutely gently caress their margins (or profit per unit, whatever it's called?) if the denominator fills up with unsalables? ahahahahahahaha
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Jul 19, 2018 22:42
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lol i didnt see this https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019471467304513537 "sex act with a mini-sub" lmao
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Jul 19, 2018 22:49
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Suspicious Dish posted:lol i didnt see this https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1019471467304513537 lol this is the most constructed misunderstanding since an MP responded to someone tweeting her "get in the sea" with this https://twitter.com/ThangamMP/status/753963842447761408 (she also called the police and contacted the university of the student who sent it)
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Jul 19, 2018 23:02
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its not as funny as the corncobbing thing or 'bend the knee' thing tho
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Schadenboner posted:What (other than being Teslas) makes them unsellable? panel gap
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Siljmonster posted:panel gap pre-punctured batteries
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the interior the lack of replacement parts the touchscreen the creepy telemetry the nissan leaf already exists
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so is the giggle tent supposed to be a long term thing?
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President Beep posted:so is the giggle tent supposed to be a long term thing? it’s where they’re putting together these empty shells
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haw haw he doesn't know how to use the three hundred thousand empty shells
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Suspicious Dish posted:according to that tweet thread they are sending the factory gated cars to tesla dealerships. thats what i didnt figure out. why are they there? during the "bad old days" of 1970s GM, if there was a problem on the line, workers were told to keep going no matter what - throw a loose bumper in the back seat if it couldn't be attached because someone before you in line forgot to put the bumper shocks on, jam a door on even if it won't close - don't stall the line, get it out the door, keep the production numbers up. they would drive or push every one of these cars into a rework ("waiting for shipping") lot just outside the factory gates, where contractors would go through and do hand rework - basically disassemble the car back to where the problem happened, and then rebuild the car from that point - in a dirt lot. conversely, toyota's big lean innovation was literally "if something is wrong, any worker can stop the line" which meant that, if a problem was stopping the line a lot, maybe you should loving fix it somewhere up the chain or invent a better process so it doesn't keep stopping the assembly line. as a result, cars didn't need to be hand-reworked by some guy in a shipping yard working without a rulebook, so a consistent level of factory quality was maintained when the vehicle hit the dealership. also, you make no margin on small cars if you are paying for hand rework, so GM aggressively cut the costs on small cars in order to compensate for the fact that a decent portion of them were handmade. it is one of the many, many ways that toyota comprehensively dominated them, which makes it super funny that NUMMI, the plant that was a joint toyota-GM operation to teach GM how to make cars and basically used GM as a hostage to prevent congress from loving up toyota, is the one that is now being used to make Teslas. don't know if this is exactly what's going on with that yard, but it sure smells like it. for more details, David Halberstam's comprehensive 1986 takedown of the entire American auto industry, The Reckoning, is a fantastic read. https://www.amazon.com/Reckoning-David-Halberstam/dp/0688048382 Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Jul 20, 2018 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:according to that tweet thread they are sending the factory gated cars to tesla dealerships. thats what i didnt figure out. why are they there? i thought that was the whole point, technically the cars have left the factory so it counts towards numbers?
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