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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I guess my question is, who was talking about putting him in jail? No one is talking jail but a bunch of MAGAs and DC fans (not kidding) on Twitter are concern trolling and demanding to have him removed from GOTG3. A decent number of liberals who lack common sense/are trying to prove how woke they are are starting to as well.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 15:06 |
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# ? Mar 29, 2024 01:24 |
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Disney hired him after watching Super. I don’t think they’re shocked he made some gross, dated jokes.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 15:09 |
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I think in general we are still way too caught up in the punitive aspect of the Me Too movement. Yeah, it's fair to say that Gunn has grown up although I'm pretty sure that Guardians of the Galaxy still slips in a prison rape joke. But the problem is that guys like Gunn indirectly contributed to making the industry hostile to a lot of folks. I think it is definitely fair to be mad and disregard Gunn because he's guy who said a lot of lovely stuff, became successful, and now has the ability to disregard his previous comments from a place of power and comfort. The question of what he should do is flawed. It ignores that people are allowed to be angry at the millionaire who gets to make superhero movies despite past lovely behavior. Ya know, but still gently caress Cernovich and the context of this poo poo. lelandjs posted:I don’t remember if there was anything offensive about Super but even if there was, I’m sure it was from the viewpoint of one of the main characters who you very much aren’t supposed to agree or empathize with.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 15:14 |
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lelandjs posted:No one is talking jail but a bunch of MAGAs and DC fans (not kidding) on Twitter are concern trolling and demanding to have him removed from GOTG3. A decent number of liberals who lack common sense/are trying to prove how woke they are are starting to as well. I find it hard to take that seriously, that's SOP for the internet-at-large. To flip that around, whenever people get deeply concerned about concern trolling or whatnot from The Hordes (as distinct from obviously malicious and actionable behavior like stalking, SWATting, etc), what's the remedy for that?
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 15:26 |
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I find it hard to take that seriously, that's SOP for the internet-at-large. To flip that around, whenever people get deeply concerned about concern trolling or whatnot from The Hordes (as distinct from obviously malicious and actionable behavior like stalking, SWATting, etc), what's the remedy for that? Logging off.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 16:53 |
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So then... what's the statute of limitations on saying that sort of poo poo? If he'd made those tweets today, people would call for his head, sure. How much time has to pass?
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AlternateAccount posted:So then... what's the statute of limitations on saying that sort of poo poo? If he'd made those tweets today, people would call for his head, sure. How much time has to pass? I mean generally one's present actions tend to reflect the kind of person they are, but I guess since people find comfort in numbers instead of exercising any sort of common sense, self reflection, and own judgments, let's put the threshold at 5.3 years (95% CI ± 0.6).
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 17:08 |
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AlternateAccount posted:So then... what's the statute of limitations on saying that sort of poo poo? If he'd made those tweets today, people would call for his head, sure. How much time has to pass? Exactly 1267 days. I wonder when celebrities will realize that long, defensive apologies do them absolutely no favors. "These were bad jokes and I shouldn't have made them, I'm sorry" would have served Gunn so much better than what he posted.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 17:10 |
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Except I still feel like many (even some in this very thread) would write a short and sweet apology as half-assed or insincere or something similar.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 18:00 |
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Are you all even quite sure what you're talking about? They're just ancient bad jokes that the man outgrew? What's next, are you going to call this locker room talk? These from a fully grown adult man just a few years ago: Is the following just a joke? Is who he shared the "joke" with just eight years ago suspicious to you at all? Is Cinema Discusso usually this apologetic towards fuckin insane wierdo monsters that the rest of this forum would drink the blood of?
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:23 |
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Those "jokes" easily read as poo poo-tier edgelord bullshit but i dunno about the video. e: added quotation marks Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Jul 20, 2018 |
# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:30 |
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People move on, and you are never too old to change. That said, talk is cheap, and I wish people would spend less time apologizing for their actions in the past and more time advocating for a change in the present. Tim Hardaway is still my go to example of someone who actually did mature later in life and did something to try and help combat some of the damaging things he said in his past..quote:“Well, you know, I hate gay people, so I let it be known,” Hardaway said on the Miami show, hosted by ESPN personality Dan Le Batard. “I don’t like gay people, and I don’t like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don’t like it. It shouldn’t be in the world or in the United States. So, yeah, I don’t like it.” I'm not saying Gunn needs to do anything to the level that Hardaway did, but it'd be nice to see any sort of action to actually show that he has grown is better than a tossed off "I'm different now" statement.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:47 |
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Well, either way, this poo poo just became semi-moot.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:29 |
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quote:This is tasteless and bizarre, but where's the sex crime, exactly?
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:34 |
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Today sucks. But at least I can jump ship from Marvel sooner than I expected. Cuz I don’t give a poo poo.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:41 |
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I remember years ago on SA reading pages and pages of horrible dead baby and rape jokes. Did this site become so freaking neutered that we support people calling for blood about a person who made some dirty joke tweets years ago? Give me a freaking break people.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:44 |
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Well Disney canned him anyway, so shitheads like Mike Cernovich win. Yes they're edgy and lovely jokes. Who loving cares. Just burn down social media and we'll all be better.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:47 |
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zandert33 posted:I remember years ago on SA reading pages and pages of horrible dead baby and rape jokes. Did this site become so freaking neutered that we support people calling for blood about a person who made some dirty joke tweets years ago? Nobody was calling for blood on here? Give me a freaking break you.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:48 |
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DrVenkman posted:Well Disney canned him anyway, so shitheads like Mike Cernovich win. At this point why would any famous person (especially a comedian) even WANT to use social media anymore?
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:50 |
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Krankenstyle posted:Nobody was calling for blood on here? I never said WE were, but it's clear that people are siding with the types of people who ARE calling for blood.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:50 |
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zandert33 posted:I never said WE were, but it's clear that people are siding with the types of people who ARE calling for blood. Sure, alright. Everything is black & white.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:52 |
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Krankenstyle posted:Sure, alright. Everything is black & white. Sure seems like it. Here we are in the sexual assault thread talking about a person getting fired over a stupid joke. Why is it even in the same conversation? Seems black and white to James Gunn right now.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:55 |
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Equeen posted:He was in his forties when he made those jokes. I think him getting fired is major overkill, but yeesh on a personal level with this.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:07 |
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I don't know that he should have been fired, but at the same time I don't know that I want to defend someone who casually makes repeated jokes about loving kids so uhhhhhhhhh....
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:08 |
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zandert33 posted:Sure seems like it. Here we are in the sexual assault thread talking about a person getting fired over a stupid joke. Why is it even in the same conversation? You were saying that SA were baying for his head on a stick. Imo the discussion itt has been fairly sober. That he got fired sucks for him but tbh I find it hard to feel bad for him, he has money & I don't care for his movies. And seeing as how "mild" as this case is, he can probably bounce back.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:09 |
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zandert33 posted:At this point why would any famous person (especially a comedian) even WANT to use social media anymore? Actually Social Media is the apparatus through which comedians are exploding right now. Tom Segura, Chris D’elia, Whitney Cummings and literally dozens more have scraped together their careers through building facebook/twitter followers until they have enough of a community that Netflix pays them a million dollars for an hour of their material. If you listen to pretty much any comedian’s podcast or radio show they pretty much unanimously agree it was Dane Cook’s use of MySpace that opened Pandora’s box and showed everyone in the comedy industry what social media meant to the profession.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:10 |
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I'm pretty sure Kevin Hart owes his entire career to Facebook hustling.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:13 |
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AlternateAccount posted:I don't know that he should have been fired, but at the same time I don't know that I want to defend someone who casually makes repeated jokes about loving kids so uhhhhhhhhh.... I mean, we can all agree that Eddie Murphy is funny even though he had some really lovely routines about gay people and he's not the only beloved comedian to have some once lovely views. Does he feel that way now? I'd hope not. If you know better now, there's no point punishing someone for something they used to think.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:17 |
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Eddie Murphy also got busted with multiple transgender prostitutes, so his material came from an internal place. Also Richard Pryor said human being all the time in his act and he was recently posthumously confirmed to be extremely bisexual by his wife, including a one night stand with Marlon Brando. How do we feel about closeted black men using “human being” in their acts once we know it that they were gay? (Personally I don’t care all their poo poo is mega hilarious”
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:19 |
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Dumb Lowtax posted:Are you all even quite sure what you're talking about? They're just ancient bad jokes that the man outgrew? What's next, are you going to call this locker room talk? I have no idea the content or context of the video in the other images, but as far as this one goes.. Minus the transphobia... yes, they're just bad, crass jokes.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:20 |
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Bust Rodd posted:Also Richard Pryor said human being all the time in his act and he was recently posthumously confirmed to be extremely bisexual by his wife, including a one night stand with Marlon Brando. Richard Pryor confirmed this in his act, one thing you can't claim about him is that he ever pretended he was 100% straight.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:23 |
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Cool! Concern trolling MAGAs got one of the more interesting directors Marvel had shitcanned because he made the same stupid jokes you, yes you, the the person reading this post, also made on Twitter five years ago! Heck, you may have even made similar posts on your alt account in GBS not even five minutes ago! This is normal and fine and doesn’t set a terrible precedent at all!
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:29 |
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lelandjs posted:Cool! Concern trolling MAGAs got one of the more interesting directors Marvel had shitcanned because he made the same stupid jokes you, yes you, the the person reading this post, also made on Twitter five years ago! Heck, you may have even made similar posts on your alt account in GBS not even five minutes ago! Yeah we should all be... very, very concerned about this. The alt-right tried a new tactic today and it was so successful that they accomplished their goal in less than 12 hours. They threw a smoke bomb into a room full of liberals and instead of waiting for it to clear they just starting punching wildly.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:38 |
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I don't think there are a lot of working directors out there with post histories in the equivalent of 2018 GBS. James Gunn (and probably everyone who's written for Troma in the last two decades) feel like rare exceptions there.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:08 |
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he apologized for those tweets in 2012.Pirate Jet posted:Yeah we should all be... very, very concerned about this. it's not new. the exact same shitheads tried it on sam seder (msnbc fired him as a contributor but then rehired him - he'd made a roman polanski joke and of course weird mike and jack prilosec read it in the most ridiculous way possible).
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:37 |
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Yeah, this is hosed up.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:38 |
And yet they still employ Johnny Depp. Oh and J. Michael Roddy, the show director at WDW, who’s been raping, sexually assaulting, and “casting couching” for 20+ years. He was kicked out of Universal Art & Design and is banned from SeaWorld and Busch Gardens property but Disney is still hanging on. I’m helping out with gathering witness statements for a journalist so we can blow this open with a local news story. He’s Orlando’s Harvey Weinstein.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:10 |
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drat, some of those were good jokes. The alt-right thinks they got a skull but I heard he was being ‘Difficult’ in contract negotiations. And wanting more creative control. He’s been made an example of, such don’t bite the three-fingered, gloved, hand that lifted you from obscurity.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:36 |
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None of those were good jokes and you haven't "heard" poo poo.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:59 |
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Those Gunn tweets are pretty bad Giving even the smallest inch to the chud brigade is even worse
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