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They wrote themselves into a corner because they're loving idiots and the modern day stuff that gets unlocked for flavor could have simply been put into codex entries.
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BattleMaster posted:From the start Data definitely responded to things in ways that indicated some level of emotion; maybe not in the same way as a human, but it was there. I think the more interesting question would have been if he actually "experienced" anything or was only following programming. I mean, is it any different when a human experiences an emotion? Hormones are released due to stimuli, and we have an emotion in response. Doesn't seem that different than a program running due to stimuli.
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# ? Jul 12, 2018 22:16 |
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Counselor Troi would have noticed if Data had emotions. She was pretty surprised when his daughter spontaneously started having them.
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite things about Assassin's Creed 3 are how it's set in Revolutionary America so there's nothing to climb, leading to a Ubisoft Map Tower just being some flagpole on a small hill, and how the ending of the game boils down to Desmond not really paying attention to the game's themes and killing himself to pick the Templar ending (so the series can continue because they wrote themselves into a stupid corner). Also because the map is uncovered by distance and not by zone, this is the one game where syncing all viewpoints does not uncover the whole map, you have to walk to the undiscovered zones for a challenge (they're a slightly darker blue on the blue-on-blue map).
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# ? Jul 13, 2018 11:22 |
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If you kill an animal and then don’t skin it you desynchronize because your Native American ancestor used every part of the squirrel.
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# ? Jul 13, 2018 18:21 |
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Araenna posted:I mean, is it any different when a human experiences an emotion? Hormones are released due to stimuli, and we have an emotion in response. Doesn't seem that different than a program running due to stimuli. Hell, in a very (very, very) abstract way that's already kinda sorta how machine learning already works today. Based on some metric you provide the AI with either positive or negative feedback depending on what it's doing, to get it to develop towards a certain result. Layer a sci-fi level of sophistication and personality on top of that, and the positive feedback might reasonably be described as "happiness", and the negative feedback as "sadness".
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# ? Jul 13, 2018 18:48 |
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blazing saddles is still hilarious
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# ? Jul 13, 2018 22:57 |
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hawowanlawow posted:blazing saddles is still hilarious Showed it to two friends of mine who had never seen it yesterday and there is literally not a wasted scene. They loved it On the downside I think Seth McFarlane stole like half the jokes from it wholesale for family guy watching it again Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 09:59 on Jul 14, 2018 |
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The jokes being recycled a million times does weaken its impact. I can't even imagine what it was like seeing it when it new first came out. People must have been rolling in the aisles.
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# ? Jul 14, 2018 20:19 |
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I mean, a lot of the jokes were just adult versions of Warner Brothers cartoon jokes.
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# ? Jul 14, 2018 22:37 |
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The scene where he takes himself hostage and suddenly the town goes from wanting to murder him to being desperately worried about his survival will never get old
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# ? Jul 15, 2018 00:42 |
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fruit on the bottom posted:The scene where he takes himself hostage and suddenly the town goes from wanting to murder him to being desperately worried about his survival will never get old Isn't anybody gonna help that poor man!?
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# ? Jul 15, 2018 00:53 |
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Are we awake? ... I don't know. Are we black?
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# ? Jul 15, 2018 01:41 |
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Solice Kirsk posted:I mean, a lot of the jokes were just adult versions of Warner Brothers cartoon jokes. Candygram for Mongo!
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# ? Jul 15, 2018 02:24 |
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Dressing up as Klan members. “Look, it’s coming off.”
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# ? Jul 15, 2018 04:13 |
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RBA Starblade posted:My favorite things about Assassin's Creed 3 are how it's set in Revolutionary America so there's nothing to climb, leading to a Ubisoft Map Tower just being some flagpole on a small hill, and how the ending of the game boils down to Desmond not really paying attention to the game's themes and killing himself to pick the Templar ending (so the series can continue because they wrote themselves into a stupid corner). AC3 also has the most boring main protagonist who also suffers greatly from "you do stupid poo poo in the cutscenes because we have no idea how to otherwise throw you into this next setpiece". The guy is literally outwitted by an illiterate muscle-for-hire, and is later completely stumped on the idea of actually *assassinating* someone who is within three feet from him.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:21 |
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Der Kyhe posted:AC3 also has the most boring main protagonist who also suffers greatly from "you do stupid poo poo in the cutscenes because we have no idea how to otherwise throw you into this next setpiece". The guy is literally outwitted by an illiterate muscle-for-hire, and is later completely stumped on the idea of actually *assassinating* someone who is within three feet from him.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:32 |
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Der Kyhe posted:AC3 also has the most boring main protagonist who also suffers greatly from "you do stupid poo poo in the cutscenes because we have no idea how to otherwise throw you into this next setpiece". The guy is literally outwitted by an illiterate muscle-for-hire, and is later completely stumped on the idea of actually *assassinating* someone who is within three feet from him. I honestly never thought they'd make a worse character than Altaďr, who was barely a character at all, but Connor was the loving pits. He's not just boring, but he's also almost intentionally stupid for most of the game. It's really infuriating. They shoved Aveline into a portable game that nobody wanted to play, and gave the completely unlikable character the big console release.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:33 |
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Calaveron posted:To be fair, the game isn’t shy about pointing out how Connor is being incredibly stupid about letting people manipulate him by taking advantage of his personal vendetta and how in the end he created a “free” country propped up by slavery and taking advantage of others and how disillusioned he is by the entire thing I've said this before and know that it is probably impossible to write a cooler protagonist than Ezio, but when he showed up people on the wrong side of the stick ended up dead. Immediately. The guy probably killed more than the Black plague, and took over a Vatican to administrate a beating to the most powerful man on the planet at that point. Because he wanted to. Connor gets more concussions than the newspaper-Spiderman. And on similarly stupid reasons.
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SpacePig posted:I honestly never thought they'd make a worse character than Altaďr, who was barely a character at all, but Connor was the loving pits. He's not just boring, but he's also almost intentionally stupid for most of the game. It's really infuriating. They shoved Aveline into a portable game that nobody wanted to play, and gave the completely unlikable character the big console release. Altaďr has the excuse of being the first game of the franchise, which was more or less a tech demo on this cool new premises they had designed. But yeah, he isn't much of a character.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:40 |
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Der Kyhe posted:I've said this before and know that it is probably impossible to write a cooler protagonist than Ezio, but when he showed up people on the wrong side of the stick ended up dead. Immediately. It doesn’t help that the prologue player character/villain of the game is competent and way, way cooler than Connor is. You get to do a cool theater assassination and then... 1700’s gym class while the game re-tutorials you for a few hours.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 19:42 |
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Der Kyhe posted:I've said this before and know that it is probably impossible to write a cooler protagonist than Ezio, but when he showed up people on the wrong side of the stick ended up dead. Immediately. Edward in Black Flag was good too, but I think a lot of that has to do with giving him his own selfish motivations that have nothing to do with the Assassins/Templars
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fruit on the bottom posted:Edward in Black Flag was good too, but I think a lot of that has to do with giving him his own selfish motivations that have nothing to do with the Assassins/Templars I also liked Shaun from the AC: Rogue but that was more or less because the American assassins were a collection of asshats, who had no problem nuking a country because of "free will" and stuff. I hated his catch-phrase thoug;. "I'LLL MAKE ME OWN LUCK" well no you fuckhead, you were shot and abandoned for dead and relied the whole time on other people and organizations beyond you. I know that it is a retcon, but no wonder why Connor became such an hot mess of an assassin. After all, he was tutored by someone who tough that essentially nuking a metropolis of 7 million people was an acceptable loss, because of "personal freedoms". Or gassing civilians, and such small stuff. And who was so great at personal combat that he lost his kneecaps. Not exactly a forward-thinking or subtle person.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:10 |
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fruit on the bottom posted:Edward in Black Flag was good too, but I think a lot of that has to do with giving him his own selfish motivations that have nothing to do with the Assassins/Templars I've always argued that Black Flag is a really good game, but not a very good Assassin's Creed game. There's literally nothing in the game that links him to the Assassin's until everything almost over, and even then he initially rejects it, and they reject him when he thinks he's ready to accept it. It's weird to me that they arguably had 2 POC player characters in the main series up until recently, and they were both boring dumbasses who had no control over their own destinies. Aveliene got shoved into a portable game nobody wanted, and Adéwalé was only playable in an expansion, but they were decent characters that just didn't get the spotlight. Even Bayek isn't great, even though he's forging his own path. He's just so obsessed with revenge (much like Connor) that it makes his story kind of stupid. Aya was a more interesting character than him, I wish I could've played as her for more of the game. I also feel bad that I never remember Connor's birth name right, and whenever I look it up it has way more than I remember it having. I wish they had used it for more of the game than they did. e: I really liked Rogue because it sort of followed through from the twist at the beginning of 3, and really showed that the Assassins are big stupid idiots sometimes, too. I could not tell you a single thing about the protagonist outside of him being Irish, though.
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SpacePig posted:I've always argued that Black Flag is a really good game, but not a very good Assassin's Creed game. There's literally nothing in the game that links him to the Assassin's until everything almost over, and even then he initially rejects it, and they reject him when he thinks he's ready to accept it. Its partly because it originally wasn't an AC game, but the AC3 wasn't exactly a winner in terms of the AC2 trilogy, so they had to cook up something fast. Weirdly, it turned out to be one of the better ones. Low lands. Lowlands awaaayyiit.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:17 |
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Calaveron posted:To be fair, the game isn’t shy about pointing out how Connor is being incredibly stupid about letting people manipulate him by taking advantage of his personal vendetta and how in the end he created a “free” country propped up by slavery and taking advantage of others and how disillusioned he is by the entire thing I remember laughing at how the cutscene presents that too. IIRC it goes from him talking about freedom to watching a slave auction with the slaves in cages. "Oh." quote:Edward in Black Flag was good too, but I think a lot of that has to do with giving him his own selfish motivations that have nothing to do with the Assassins/Templars I bring it up everytime AC's plot stuff is mentioned but Edward's is the best because the whole plot of Black Flag is about Ed trying desperately to escape the plot of Assassin's Creed, only to tragically fail.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:35 |
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The twins in Syndicate were the most entertaining for me because of how they interacted with each other. Doesn't hurt that, if you get annoyed with one, you could always switch to the other. They were also characterized well through their actions and animations. Evie has a reputation for being psychotic of a reason. More broken limbs than Wei Shen with that one.
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OutOfPrint posted:The twins in Syndicate were the most entertaining for me because of how they interacted with each other. Doesn't hurt that, if you get annoyed with one, you could always switch to the other. Her finishers with any of the blades weapons would straight up be decapitations or neck to groin disembowelment
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 20:55 |
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I had waited on getting a modern console, and I ended up playing Unity and Syndicate really close together. I wish I hadn't because I feel like I missed out on the fun experience on finishing Syndicate by forcing myself to finish Unity first. I like Jacob and Evie, though. Arno can go screw.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:00 |
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Local pirate informed selling out the good guys makes you seem like kind of a jerk, spends the rest of the game begrudgingly making things right when he just wants to get paid.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:34 |
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In the closer, Brenda Johnson loves to tell people going to jail they’re going to be raped by other inmates.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 21:42 |
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I watched a last night where a guy pled to a lesser charge and the judge makes him swear he wasn't coerced into pleading and everyone smiles at the happy ending, five seconds after Barba and Benson tell him that if he didn't take the deal they'd ruin him.
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oldpainless posted:In the closer, Brenda Johnson loves to tell people going to jail they’re going to be raped by other inmates. In every police procedural they do that.
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 22:58 |
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Alhazred posted:In every police procedural they do that. Which by itself is very wrong on every possible level... besides in the Great Nation of Zimba--- USA!
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# ? Jul 20, 2018 23:14 |
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It's weird that some times L&O tries to take a stand about prison rape, but then has no problem completely flip flopping and making threats and jokes on the subject.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 05:29 |
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Choco1980 posted:It's weird that some times L&O tries to take a stand about prison rape, but then has no problem completely flip flopping and making threats and jokes on the subject. It's almost like different episodes have different writers.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 05:38 |
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Choco1980 posted:It's weird that some times L&O tries to take a stand about prison rape, but then has no problem completely flip flopping and making threats and jokes on the subject. Early svu episodes have some pretty terrible attitudes toward trans people, even as vanilla experimented (clumsily) with having sympathetic trans characters of the week sometimes.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 05:56 |
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I might have mentioned it before, but the Simpsons making a joke of how the Trump presidency left America bankrupt hits too close to home. RBA Starblade posted:I remember laughing at how the cutscene presents that too. IIRC it goes from him talking about freedom to watching a slave auction with the slaves in cages. "Oh." Also his home village gets driven off their land/massacred after the game. And a lot of his characterization beyond "angry muscle man" was cut from the game so the guy gets screwed over from all sides.
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# ? Jul 21, 2018 09:15 |
Calaveron posted:To be fair, the game isn’t shy about pointing out how Connor is being incredibly stupid about letting people manipulate him by taking advantage of his personal vendetta and how in the end he created a “free” country propped up by slavery and taking advantage of others and how disillusioned he is by the entire thing The game also portrays the founding fathers as assholes. It's kinda funny how the trailers portrayed the game as "americans beats the filthy oppressing brits" and then the game turned out to be a lot more nuanced than that.
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Alhazred posted:The game also portrays the founding fathers as assholes. It's kinda funny how the trailers portrayed the game as "americans beats the filthy oppressing brits" and then the game turned out to be a lot more nuanced than that. The game is made by French people, iirc.
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