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Taintrunner posted:This is such a massive “if” and wholly off the mark. Nobody would have came to it “organically” forever ago as they were already deleted or they were outright looking for it, whatever the case. It exists solely in the discourse because Gunn is outspoken against Trump, an actual rapist, and Cernovich, an actual rapist, wants to lash out at anyone who speaks out against his rapist hero because he’s a little Nazi shithead rapist. So is someone supposed to ignore those tweets then? Like, even in the context of “a rapist is using them to attempt to disrupt the career of someone who criticizes the president”, they work because they are really gross tweets. They’re not made any less gross based on who brings them to attention, and no one is gonna say “these are offensive to me but now that I know why I am aware of them, they’re completely unoffensive to me”, that’s just not how people work. Edit: I don’t even think you’re entirely wrong but you’re parsing this as a very black and white issue where anyone who is offended by these tweets and doesn’t feel bad for James Gunn just luuuuuuuuuuuuuuvs rapists and it’s both way more grey than that and also really tactless to make all the people who disagree with you into rape apologists DC Murderverse fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Like Safeword has already said they didn't even know Cernovich is the reason the tweets surfaced in the first place. Not unlike the Gunn situation, context matters. It sucks this poo poo came to like because of him and Disney's actions emboldened him, but don't go around calling random people who are chafing at Gunn's vile tweets loving rape apologists or supporters of rapists or w/e Like c'mon man
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Safeword posted:Why does taking issue with Gunn's comments, and online commentary in general, mean I'm "jumping into bed" with Mike? Taint has explicitly said I was on his side, purely because I'm against Gunn's comments. In a discussion talking about context and bad faith, painting me as rape apologist is the shittiest, seediest thing you could do. it actually does make a huge difference that this was already brought up six years ago and that it’s now being brought up because two guys who defended an actual child predator want to punish a person mocking their emperor daddy.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Put simply, what you should be focusing your attention on is that Twitter is allowing the extremist psychopaths you're actually worried about to flourish virtually unchecked on its platform. I'm not supporting Mike, and have said that he deserves to have lost far more than anyone else. However, just because I hate Mike does not mean I will absolve Gunn of his vile, "just words" remarks. I'm also disheartened you're telling me I can't care about what people are saying because there are worse problems - guess what, I hate Twitter! I think it needs a tighter, stronger method of policing. This doesn't mean I can care solely about the company's higher-ups. As I also said, Mike was not the original source for me either. When a member of the alt right speaks up against, say, Roseanne (generally on the basis of her gender and build...) am I free to disregard her flaws and focus solely on the Redditor? Painting it as black and white, Support A Rapist versus Don't Support A Rapist, is misleading and more than a touch disgusting.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it actually does make a huge difference that this was already brought up six years ago and that it’s now being brought up because two guys who defended an actual child predator want to punish a person mocking their emperor daddy. I retroactively discovered Mike was the original source of these tweets. Why does that make me complicit in rape culture, as has been implied several times?
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Safeword posted:I'm not supporting Mike, and have said that he deserves to have lost far more than anyone else. However, just because I hate Mike does not mean I will absolve Gunn of his vile, "just words" remarks. I'm also disheartened you're telling me I can't care about what people are saying because there are worse problems - guess what, I hate Twitter! I think it needs a tighter, stronger method of policing. This doesn't mean I can care solely about the company's higher-ups. Not caring where you get your information from, for what purpose you are getting it, and finding it unfair that anyone else thinks that matters, makes you an extremely useful idiot. Everything is rear end-backwards. James Gunn suffering for things he said ten years ago, apologized for at that time, and apparently deleted years ago, is overriding your ability to consider any context. Mike Cernovich will continue digging for deleted tweets, since he now knows he's got a solid shot at ruining anyone at Disney in 12 hours flat by organizing. That Mike is pro-rape and that you can't distinguish his every-day message from Gunn's old, deleted tweets will apparently never matter to Twitter or YouTube corporate. The entertainment industry is under his thumb. And you're worried about making sure Mike gets his way. There hasn't been "justice" here; Gunn didn't rape, molest, or harass anybody, or commit any other crime. He and everyone in Hollywood just have to know that saying something tasteless ever means their job, even if they've deleted and publicly disavowed their comments. quote:“Next time, don’t settle for the make out. If possible, at least pull out your dick. If you can get her to touch it, even better. If not, just let her know that your cock is too swollen to go back into your jeans, and that, ‘either you’re taking care of this, or I am.’ Masturbating will set your anchor nearer the desired destination – pussy [s]port.” Your priorities are hosed, and the fact that you don't realize you're supporting this garbage doesn't make it better.
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It is possible to think ill of multiple individuals and organisations, to varying degrees, at the same time. Opposing one does not mean you unconditionally accept the other. I'm tired of repeating this, and I'm sick of you telling me I endorse a culture of sexual assault because of this.
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Gunn never apologized for those tweets years ago, he apologized for a blog about wanting to gently caress comic book characters. His tweets are from around 2012, this isn't ancient history, the dude is trash.
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DC Murderverse posted:If someone came to those tweets organically and thought “oh these are awful James Gunn sucks” and didn’t feel bad when he got booted from Guardians 3, all without learning the origins of the movement, why should their feelings change if they learn that Cernovich is behind it? That shouldn’t change how they feel about what was said, even if they can also understand that he’s an even shittier person. I didn't know Cernovich was who stirred up his tweets until I read this thread either, and knowing so doesn't make me suddenly back Gunn. Being okay with someone who jokes about raping children (even after his apology for that blog post) no longer directing children's movies doesn't mean I'm supporting a rapist or "making sure Mike gets his way", and y'all are being really really toxic in saying so.
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treasured8elief posted:I didn't know Cernovich was who stirred up his tweets until I read this thread either, and knowing so doesn't make me suddenly back Gunn. Being okay with someone who jokes about raping children (even after his apology for that blog post) no longer directing children's movies doesn't mean I'm supporting a rapist or "making sure Mike gets his way", and y'all are being really really toxic in saying so. I suppose it's just frustrating to see a rapist troglodyte organize better than anyone else on social media. If getting rid of James Gunn is fair game then none of us should even know who the gently caress Mike Cernovich is at this point. There's really going to be nothing to be satisfied about until social media companies stop abdicating stewardship responsibilities.
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nah. edit: directed at post before yours. weird mike and jack prilosec should’ve been banned from Twitter ages ago. they both defended actual child predator roy moore and claimed his accusers were liars. the comparison between trump and bill clinton doesn’t hold. also mike and his sycophants are acting like Gunn is an actual pedophile because he made lovely tasteless jokes. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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wyoming posted:Gunn never apologized for those tweets years ago, he apologized for a blog about wanting to gently caress comic book characters. Here's a very good interview with him from 2017 with Buzzfeed where there's a massive deep-dive into his dark humour and history. There's a few rather maudlin quotes about his childhood in school, but there's a very important bit about his Twitter feed and how he's not the same person anymore. https://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/james-gunn-guardians-of-the-galaxy?utm_term=.ntndNWxmY#.sogxykLdQ 
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 https://imgur.com/gallery/5zFYlbL Just in case you're wondering how some of the non-SA pro-Gunn side is trying to spin things.
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I see punishment as corrective, and not revenge. If someone did something years ago, was already called out at the relevant time, apologized, and most importantly - did not repeat their actions, I dont see the point of a retroactive punishment. Especially with a social issue where a change in society means the social punishment increases a great deal from when the initial social crime was made. I simply dont understand people that want some kind of revenge on people who have clearly learned the error of their ways. This is different from a, say, Polanski, who ran from his initial punishment, or a Trump who avoids facing anything from his CURRENT actions.
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Darko posted:I see punishment as corrective, and not revenge. If someone did something years ago, was already called out at the relevant time, apologized, and most importantly - did not repeat their actions, I dont see the point of a retroactive punishment. His horrible edgelord comments fall into the same category as Roseanne, horrible enough to lose work but not horrible enough to become an elected official. But seriously he already had these tweets come out, he apologized for being an edgelord, Disney decided not to punish him. It's lovely that now the exact same tweets are coming out again, he still has apologized, but this time it's "gently caress you good bye."
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DC Murderverse posted:Again, Disney suspended a Sportscenter anchor for simply criticizing the president literally 6 months ago, honestly, Gunn getting fired isn’t nearly as outrageous as that and nerds only care now because none of them watch Football Yep, and that case is literally an attack on 1A rights.
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Now Cernovich is going after Michael Ian Black https://twitter.com/michaelianblack/status/1020652725158260737
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Conclusions posted:Here's a very good interview with him from 2017 with Buzzfeed where there's a massive deep-dive into his dark humour and history. There's a few rather maudlin quotes about his childhood in school, but there's a very important bit about his Twitter feed and how he's not the same person anymore. Maybe I'm being overly cynical here, but it seems the reason he became a "better person" is because he realised how cushy the Guardians stuff would have been, rather than an innate need to reflect on his past. I'm willing to eat my words on that if he has been genuinely progressive in other areas since, however.
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Davros1 posted:Now Cernovich is going after Michael Ian Black Grab the torches a comedian made a bad joke!
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Sorry, but Mike "actual rapist who has shown no remorse or growth as a human being" cernovich is good now so Michael Ian black has to die now
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He's also targeting Patton Oswalt, but I'm not going to link to Cernovich's Twitter because gently caress him.
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He and another alt-right guy got Matt Taibbi's book tour for I Can't Breathe spiked last year. They love using liberal's logic to their owns ends, and are gonna keep getting people fired for things they write a decade or more ago. Maybe it's reflective of the cultural and social stasis we find ourselves in that there's a deep cynicism towards the idea that people can change or grow over time.
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Safeword posted:Maybe I'm being overly cynical here, but it seems the reason he became a "better person" is because he realised how cushy the Guardians stuff would have been, rather than an innate need to reflect on his past. I'm willing to eat my words on that if he has been genuinely progressive in other areas since, however. Quite ironically, the place I guess you would find evidence of that would be his Twitter feed (or other social medias). He's quite vocally anti-Trump Administration (which seems to have kicked the hornet's nest in the first place) which should give you an idea of his morals. I just had a quick look, and inbetween the political posts seems to be a much different man than is presented so I'm willing to take the interview at face value. Of course, your mileage may vary.
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Oh good, after yesterday with Gunn now it’s Ian Black and Oswald today. I’m glad we all agreed it’s okay to let a Nazi rapist lash out at anyone who speaks ill of a different Nazi rapist with stupid bullshit from forever ago that isn’t worth caring about, and that this wouldn’t spiral out of control. Also Ted Cruz, an elected official who openly liked incest porn on Twitter, now wants Gunn to be brought up on charges. This is a totally healthy precedent and not at all politically motivated bullshit from a Nazi rapist silencing critics of a Nazi rapist.
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Taintrunner posted:Also Ted Cruz, an elected official who openly liked incest porn on Twitter, now wants Gunn to be brought up on charges. For what
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henkman posted:For what Well, if you make bad jokes about abuse, it must be because you're secretly an abuser
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I love that one of the Michael Ian Black tweets is about eating pizza. Is there actually anything related to that or is Mike just invoking pizzagate poo poo?
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i am the bird posted:I love that one of the Michael Ian Black tweets is about eating pizza. Is there actually anything related to that or is Mike just invoking pizzagate poo poo? It was always Pizzagate/Qanon poo poo which Mike loves and adores. Which has resulted in someone taking an AR-15 to a pizza parlor and shooting it off, hence the actual consequences of entertaining the horseshit that comes out of a Nazi rapist’s mouth. Late edit: https://twitter.com/jaredlholt/status/1020708703668973568 Taintrunner fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 21, 2018 |
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Anthony Anderson is being looked at again for assault of a woman last year: https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/anthony-anderson-assault-investigation-for-assault-1202880247/ Though everything about it is incredibly vague, Anderson was first accused of raping a woman on the set of HUSTLE AND FLOW, though it's worth noting that the charge was dismissed after the woman's statement gave no probable cause for the charge. I guess that means it wasn't found to be credible?
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Dreylad posted:He and another alt-right guy got Matt Taibbi's book tour for I Can't Breathe spiked last year. They love using liberal's logic to their owns ends, and are gonna keep getting people fired for things they write a decade or more ago.
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Dumb Lowtax posted:We were in our teens and this man was in his forties. It says a lot about you that you think edgelord behavior that eerily *only* focuses on pedophilia is acceptable to a man in his forties, who also shares those comments with known pedophiles. It is a sign that you need to be crushed, though.
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Dreylad posted:He and another alt-right guy got Matt Taibbi's book tour for I Can't Breathe spiked last year. They love using liberal's logic to their owns ends, and are gonna keep getting people fired for things they write a decade or more ago. And a sign of how easily exploited the more sensitive among us are.
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Groovelord Neato posted:these people invent all these boogeymen when the president is on tape bragging about assault, he was good friends with a guy who raped children on his plane, and is being vocally defended on tv by a guy who defended that child rapist and also raped a child. But the comedian made edgelord jokes
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