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Halloween Jack posted:I remember Martin Landau as the guy who took MTV VJ Kennedy aside and gave her a dressing-down for being a terrible journalist at the M:I premier Hell yeah
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Wheat Loaf posted:I have no doubt that older fans disliked it - I know Payndz, who sometimes posts in this thread, was a fan of the original run and has said he doesn't like the first movie because he isn't a fan of Jim Phelps's characterisation. The thing is, we didn't have all the social media and so forth we have now in 1996. I don't dislike M:I1 at all; it's my second-favourite of the series after Ghost Protocol. But making Phelps the villain, while a good twist, was a bit of a kick in the balls for fans of the show. It'd be like doing... I dunno, a Knight Rider movie and making KITT the secret bad guy. But it's clearly not the real Phelps, anyway. His hair's not even white!
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Jul 23, 2018 17:51
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Snowman_McK posted:No it doesn't. Were the deaf guy and his family victims or menaces? What about the kid who joined the cartel? In reality, Brolin's plan was dumb right from the start and never had any chance of succeeding. Why take the girl to the US? Uh, because this is a rush job and we couldn't actually come up with a good plan. Slim Jim Pickens posted:You need a voicepoint character to ineffectually tut-tut the CIA spooks or something? It's clear that this is exactly what he needs, because Emily Blunt's character was the only way Sicario 1 could criticize anything. pospysyl fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Jul 23, 2018 18:01
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Halloween Jack posted:I remember Martin Landau as the guy who took MTV VJ Kennedy aside and gave her a dressing-down for being a terrible journalist at the M:I premier Ahead of his time.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:28
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Payndz posted:My first SA avatar was Jim Phelps, so I'm biased. Woah you finally changed your avatar? To elastigirl...with polka dots? How are Nina and Eddie doing? I read the Revelation book last year, it was pretty good but seemed a bit lower stakes than usual. I did enjoy chekov's zeppelin though  . Soon as it was mentioned at the start I knew it would be used.
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Jul 23, 2018 18:52
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Payndz posted:My first SA avatar was Jim Phelps, so I'm biased. I see - my mistake, sorry.
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Gravy Jones posted:So aside from the story/ideology stuff people are arguing about, how does Sicario 2 hold up in terms of cinematography and editing (and score for that matter)? The way it was crafted was the main draw of the first for me, despite some issues I had with the plot. Interested to know if this tries to imitate or it's doing it's own thing. Its got more conventional cinematography, but its still good. One of the more interesting shots were taken from the interior of a humvee on a dirt road.
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Jul 23, 2018 20:30
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I haven't seen Die Hard 4 since it came out, but I wonder if I'd like it more now that I'm a fan of the actors playing the two villains (Timothy Olyphant and Maggie Q) and McClane's daughter (Mary Elizabeth Winstead).
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Jul 23, 2018 21:09
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I haven't seen Die Hard 4 since it came out, but I wonder if I'd like it more now that I'm a fan of the actors playing the two villains (Timothy Olyphant and Maggie Q) and McClane's daughter (Mary Elizabeth Winstead). Also it's got Cyril Raffaelli from Banlieue 13 and he has some fun scenes
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Jul 23, 2018 21:13
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I haven't seen Die Hard 4 since it came out, but I wonder if I'd like it more now that I'm a fan of the actors playing the two villains (Timothy Olyphant and Maggie Q) and McClane's daughter (Mary Elizabeth Winstead). So, my beef with Live Free Or Die Hard isn’t just that McClane is essentially invincible (that’s been run into the ground, valid as it is), but rather that the movie has no stakes. All of the previous entries had a firmly established ticking clock element to create a pressure cooker situation (isolated hostage situation, the planes running out of fuel, the bomb at the school). Even With A Vengeance, which is a pretty big movie that spans an entire city, has this very small, immediate feel to it. Those movies are about putting McClane in the pressure cooker. In Die Hard 4, he somehow feels isolated from the greater plot. Like even with his daughter involved, it somehow feels less personal. Once you alleviate that constant pressure, you lose a lot of the identity of what Die Hard is.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I haven't seen Die Hard 4 since it came out, but I wonder if I'd like it more now that I'm a fan of the actors playing the two villains (Timothy Olyphant and Maggie Q) and McClane's daughter (Mary Elizabeth Winstead). I really enjoy Die Hard 4. The set pieces are just as good if not better than the other sequels, the villains are solid(aside from the two you mentioned there's that parkour guy that I thought was pretty good), and unlike A Good Day to Die Hard, Bruce Willis seems to actually be putting in an honest attempt at playing the McClane character again. The ending is also an underrated part of the Die Hard formula, something that Die Hard 2 and 3 didn't really nail imo. McClane shooting through himself to kill the villain and save his daughter was basically perfect. I do agree though that the middle portion is lacking in tension and stakes. It's basically just Willis and Long going from place to place encountering the bad guys, but a few of the action scenes during that stretch are really well put together.
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Jul 23, 2018 21:16
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Payndz posted:My first SA avatar was Jim Phelps, so I'm biased. Well I have no allegiance to either the old M:I TV show or Knight Rider and twist-evil KITT sounds pretty cool.
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Jul 23, 2018 21:24
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Honestly I just substitute Max Payne 3 as the real Die Hard 4 in my head: A gruff New York Cop with a drinking problem is hired on as private security in Rio because of his infamous past exploits, and gets involved in a cat and mouse game that reveals itself to be a giant decoy for the villains’ real motivations. Even features a sequence where the main character slinks through a high rise in a dirty tank top. Hell, it even explains why McClane is bald in later installments.
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Fart City posted:So, my beef with Live Free Or Die Hard isn’t just that McClane is essentially invincible (that’s been run into the ground, valid as it is), but rather that the movie has no stakes. All of the previous entries had a firmly established ticking clock element to create a pressure cooker situation (isolated hostage situation, the planes running out of fuel, the bomb at the school). Even With A Vengeance, which is a pretty big movie that spans an entire city, has this very small, immediate feel to it. Those movies are about putting McClane in the pressure cooker. In Die Hard 4, he somehow feels isolated from the greater plot. Like even with his daughter involved, it somehow feels less personal. Once you alleviate that constant pressure, you lose a lot of the identity of what Die Hard is. It also has the same problem as Indiana Jones 4, and is something that works subconsciously that most people don't notice. In movies like Die Hard, Predator, and Raiders, especially, the hero's image degrades as the movie goes on. They get more bloody, they lose more clothes or they get more ripped, and they show their injuries more and more in acting. Die Hard 4 and Crystal Skull get rid of that for the most part, and gives the hero a more invincible feel. Darko fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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got any sevens posted:Woah you finally changed your avatar? To elastigirl...with polka dots? Going back to Die Hard, it's bizarre how the first of the movies actually to be written as a Die Hard movie, A Good Day To Die Hard, is the least Die Hard-like of them all. For a start it's poo poo, but even if it wasn't it would stand out because McClane is utterly invulnerable and acts accordingly throughout. Deliberately crash a truck? Leap off multiple tall buildings? Walk into loving Chernobyl, which is in a completely different country? No problem, no fear, no shits given (by character or audience). As for "I'm on vacation!" - no, you're there to watch your son's murder trial, rear end in a top hat! And what the gently caress was Jack's original plan to get Komarov out of the courtroom before the bad guys turned up, anyway? Considering how ultra-tight the script for 1 was, 5 being such a sloppy, half-assed mess (where the director admitted that they made up the big twist about Komarov during shooting) almost retroactively taints the original. Almost.
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Payndz posted:Doing well; just finished #14 and planning #15. In which I wrote in my notes "Eddie has Chekhov's rocket launcher" as a joke, then instantly knew that was going to have to feature somehow. I have been meaning to read your books for a while but just have so much else to get through.  (I believe my dad has read some of them and compares them favourably to Alistair MacLean, who is his favourite novelist.)
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You know what movie works great as an unofficial Die Hard sequel? 16 Blocks, with Bruce Willis as a hung-over, burnout, persona non grata cop escorting a police corruption trial witness (Mos Def) to the courthouse through a gauntlet of cops who want them both dead.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I have been meaning to read your books for a while but just have so much else to get through.
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Lobok posted:Well I have no allegiance to either the old M:I TV show or Knight Rider and twist-evil KITT sounds pretty cool. The twist is it was KARR the whole time! Do you think we can get Ridley Scott to direct? SimonCat fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 23, 2018 |
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Darko posted:It also has the same problem as Indiana Jones 4, and is something that works subconsciously that most people don't notice. The Road Warrior is really good for this too. By the final act Max is hosed up, Gibson was always great at playing someone who got the poo poo knocked outta them.
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Harime Nui posted:I just got back from The Equalizer 2: Equalize This. I rate it an Adequate Dad Action Movie/10; Pedro Pascal (who you might remember as Oberyn Martel) is in this movie as a veteran CIA Agent and I couldn't help thinking the whole time they tried to make him look like Jeremy Renner..... or maybe, if you look at him right, he DOES look like Jeremy Renner. The final action setpiece has a creative conceit that's really good although they are nowhere near as ridiculous with the Home Alone poo poo as in the first one (Denzel's character actually picks up and uses guns in this one....); it is definitely the best Lyft ad I have seen so far. i keep getting let down when i see this movie's title and think it's equilibrium 2
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pospysyl posted:Were the deaf guy and his family victims or menaces? What about the kid who joined the cartel? The kid who joins the cartel at the end and becomes a scary narco with tattoos who listens to loud rap music? poo poo, I fuckin' wonder. The deaf guy i'll give you, but 'irrelevant bystander' isn't much of a step forward. quote:In reality, Brolin's plan was dumb right from the start and never had any chance of succeeding. In reality, this is true. In reality, people smuggling is about no.5 or 6 on the things that earn the cartels money, behind limes and avocados (seriously). The film is not set in reality. quote:It's clear that this is exactly what he needs, because Emily Blunt's character was the only way Sicario 1 could criticize anything. Also the text of the movie where the CIA's plan is to have a guy kill a man and his kids to, at best, get the violence down to a more manageable level, and Brolin admonishes Blunt for not realising that was the plan.
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Snowman_McK posted:\ Did you even watch the movie? He's clearly reluctant about the whole thing then jumps off the truck and walks away at the end after being forced to shoot someone in the head, who then himself later approaches him about joining HIS line of work.
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When the spooks nearly run over Miguel (The American kid) in a parking lot , he sorta fronts with them until they blast the siren and tell him to gently caress off. One of them says "you can't even tell who the gangbangers are these days..." It's because the American MIC is like a criminal organization, and Miguel mistook them for some random schmucks
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Fart City posted:Honestly I just substitute Max Payne 3 as the real Die Hard 4 in my head: Who knew the Max Payne franchise going full Tony Scott would have been such a good idea?
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The next M:I plot demands simple bullet points: i) Social Media ii) Likes iii) Anxiety iv) v) Action scenes Credits
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Wandle Cax posted:Did you even watch the movie? He's clearly reluctant about the whole thing then jumps off the truck and walks away at the end after being forced to shoot someone in the head, who then himself later approaches him about joining HIS line of work. Did you watch the ending where he's tattooed up and returns to the place where he made the pick up? The place where he took his first job for the cartel? The idea is he absolutely fell back into it. It does completely undercut his last scene (which was genuinely good) but I guess they needed a sequel hook.
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Snowman_McK posted:Did you watch the ending where he's tattooed up and returns to the place where he made the pick up? The place where he took his first job for the cartel? Yeah actually you're right, they should have left it with him getting off the truck. The final scene doesn't really fit.
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I wonder if the new Mission: Impossible will update the message. "As always, should you or any of your Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions, and the President will tweet in all caps about how only losers get captured, then say he meant the opposite, then say you're actually fine. This mp3 will self-destruct in five/ten seconds. Good luck, Ethan."
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Wheat Loaf posted:I wonder if the new Mission: Impossible will update the message. How's it going Mr. Leno?
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Went and saw Ant-Man and the Wasp last night. It was a pretty funny little action movie. They got pretty creative with the fight scenes and the car chases and all the shrinking/growing stuff.
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fadam posted:How's it going Mr. Leno? I'm mostly ignorant of Jay Leno so if he has made the same (lazy) joke as me I'm not sure if that's more of an indictment on me or him.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I'm mostly ignorant of Jay Leno so if he has made the same (lazy) joke as me I'm not sure if that's more of an indictment on me or him. Leno's standard monologue jokes were very much like that, where he would kinda describe what he thought of as a humorous situation, but there wouldn't really be a true punchline and the "joke" kinda trails off and goes nowhere. Anyway, you got a chuckle out of me so as always comedy is a subjective thing.
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Doesn't seem to be a mission impossible thread, so I'll put my thoughts in here. Not as good as ghost protocol, maybe as good as rogue nation. Drags a little bit towards the end. Action scenes are all interesting enough, especially the ones that were spoiled in the Behind the scene you tube series, insane stunt work by Cruise as usual. This isn't Raid tier action cinematography but it's a good watch. Plot wise the bits that tried to be clever were too obvious by a mile if you have already seen more than one mission impossible film. The fake TV scene at the start and the Simon Pegg confession face swap scenes could be deduced about two sentences into them. Speaking of which, they probably need to come up with an excuse to lose the face-printing tech. At this stage it would be the equivalant of if James Bond was contracted to have to use the passenger ejector seat in his Aston Martin in every film after Goldfinger in increasing elaborate ways. Also hard to build dramatic tension if you know they conjur up a confession almost at whim the same way in every film. Henry Cavill was so obvious as being the mole from the moment that Cruise questioned his methods of killing everyone so there was never a witness alive, that I assume the film was going to double-bluff me and that Cavill's boss was going to be Lark, but in the end they just rolled with it regardless. Despite all that, it's still entertaining fare, in a way that something like Spectre (which was the last spy film I've watched) isn't.
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I thought it was really dope. These Mission movies are like cinematic comfort food to me. I think the OP above's complaint about things being too clever isn't quite right. This series at this point knows you know the game. You're just kind of excited to see it play out. The end stuff was pretty intense, knowing it was all real. I feel like you have to see it in IMAX, which I did not. I like this team for these films. McQuarrie is doing good work. However it's not better than Ghost Protocol. That one feels too special to replicate.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVN4QVskNrc I feel like this is the kind of movies that The Rock would have ended up making if he didn't break through the way he did. I mean, I like Big Dave well enough but he is hardly the greatest actor or even the most charismatic.
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I really really liked MI Fallout, probably my favourite action film since Fury Road. McQuarrie is so good at these. Great blend of goofy crap and genuine intensity, Eddie Hamilton is a killer editor, and that fuckin HALO jump was actually one take holy poo poo
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Mission Impossible Fallout owned all the bones. I loved it. I loved how it loved the characters and treated them and gave them humanity and maturity. There was something beautiful in the movie to hoe far Ethan Hunt will go to do the right and just thing, to what Alec Baldwin and his Wife’s character reflect on him, to how his women handle it, each character gets their moment, Rebecca Ferguson and Vanessa Kirby were filmed beautifully in this and looked beautiful. And unlike Bond, I bought why women would be drawn to Ethan Hunt. Cruise and the writing gave him a genuine humanity to what he does and pushes himself for. It’s a very well done movie. I also like how Cruise as things go along insert elements of imperfection in the action and performances so show things are not smooth or planned out. It adds.
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Gonz posted:I enjoyed the neat little callback regarding the White Widow's mother: I figured they were going somewhere with this, but it's just dropped in for flavor. Saw this last night and was amazed to learn afterwards that Cruise pretty much did all the major stunts rather than one or two. I knew he broke his ankle during one scene but this is one movie where I really want to watch behind-the-scenes footage, especially the HALO jump scene Plotwise it's meh but I'm fine with the plot just being there to justify the stunts at this point. The only thing that really stuck out was how the hell is Angela Bassett's character still in command at the end of the movie? She jeopardized the capture of a dangerous terrorist and got the head of the IMF killed over some chain-of-command dickwaving. And why would she trust CIA operatives to take over the operation when she knew that her top agent went rogue? Pretty good reason to think others in the CIA would be compromised. That bit was probably the most contrived part in the whole movie and the rest I could write off as a goofy spy action movie with awesome stunts. The MI movies are probably my favorite spy-action movies now that the Bourne series has fizzled out. They feel like a big budget live action version of those animated anthologies for The Matrix, Nolan's Batman, or Blade Runner where you have directors with very distinct styles all playing around with the same material. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Jul 27, 2018 |
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