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Jeabus Mahogany posted:Hmm. Would a scum IS try to jail Sal? Scum jailer? This post seems Iike you have extra info. Like you know sal is town. Scumdar going off
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Dancer posted:
I misread your post but holy poo poo tracker is not a weak role at all. I really don't understand why a tracker, after 3 nights, does not have any verifiable taking results.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:16
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give head or get dead posted:I really dont think IS is scum guys, he got jailed last night and my attempting to give him a flag proves it? Unless im missing something? Which is likely? what's that got to do with anything there's more than one scum and lotsa random powers flying around willy nilly IllegallySober posted:N2- I again drew because tracking in a game like this didn't seem as strong as the possibility of drawing better cards. haha nah, this reads like trying to sound valuable to town but not having to provide data for that claim oh good Sal already said this IllegallySober posted:I suppose that's one way you could look at it. On the other hand, I've also stated the cards I drew instead of tracking so unless you think I'm really good at making up card draw possibilities including flavor names for a game I know nothing about (or you think I'm lying about knowing nothing about it?) then at minimum I have excuses for the nights I didn't track. I don't know what to say about what happened N3 when I tried to jail you but I also called out immediately that my action failed. "I suppose you could think I'm scum stuffing around trying to claim tracker without tracking... but if I wasn't tracking, how do I know all about these other cards I used while I was busy not tracking, huh?!"  seriously what kind of defense is this
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Jul 26, 2018 02:16
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SalTheBard posted:I misread your post but holy poo poo tracker is not a weak role at all. I really don't understand why a tracker, after 3 nights, does not have any verifiable taking results. Good point. I’m getting flashbacks to the dbz2 game when bird strike fakeclaimed tracker and didn’t have a single result for the first 5 days. It was just 5 days of “tracked xx, went nowhere” lol
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Jul 26, 2018 02:19
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b-minus1 posted:Good point. I’m getting flashbacks to the dbz2 game when bird strike fakeclaimed tracker and didn’t have a single result for the first 5 days. It was just 5 days of “tracked xx, went nowhere” lol I mean, I get that this is something reasonable people can disagree with, but the way I see it, case in point. Birb could get away with that specifically because tracker sucks (well, no it doesn't, it can absolutely nail people to the wall in the right circumstances, but it's on the weaker side).
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Jul 26, 2018 02:21
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Bifauxnen posted:what's that got to do with anything there's more than one scum and lotsa random powers flying around willy nilly Yeah I'm not moving my vote. Also CCKeane started doing that "I'm only half responding to your posts in the most obnoxious way possible" thing to me that he did when he was scum in twewy so now I'm pretty suspicious of him
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Jul 26, 2018 02:22
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I tracked and confirmed a town bus driver n1 in the last game I was in, it's a fun role 
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Jul 26, 2018 02:23
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SalTheBard posted:I misread your post but holy poo poo tracker is not a weak role at all. I really don't understand why a tracker, after 3 nights, does not have any verifiable taking results. And it bugs me that you continue bringing up this point. Do you honestly genuinely believe that the alleged tracker IS had 3 nights to do his tracking? If you want to question his claim, question N2, or question N3 under the belief that he's lying about being blocked. It's as certain as we can be of almost anything that he couldn't possibly track anyone N1.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:23
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Jeabus Mahogany posted:You could have still drawn those cards without being the tracker. Fair. It was really more in response to Sal calling the whole claim fake, but you're right that I can't prove the existence of my tracker card beyond providing the name of it, as I have. But either I then had to draw that card N3, or I have to have made up at least one of the cards I stated, right?
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Jul 26, 2018 02:24
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Xad posted:I tracked and confirmed a town bus driver n1 in the last game I was in, it's a fun role Low blow Xad, low blow .
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Jul 26, 2018 02:24
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IllegallySober posted:Fair. It was really more in response to Sal calling the whole claim fake, but you're right that I can't prove the existence of my tracker card beyond providing the name of it, as I have. But either I then had to draw that card N3, or I have to have made up at least one of the cards I stated, right? tbf, that's not exactly hard. "Emm... I drew Magical Cylinder! It reflects an action directed at me upon the attacker!" (decent chance that this is what binus had )
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Jul 26, 2018 02:25
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Dancer posted:And it bugs me that you continue bringing up this point. Do you honestly genuinely believe that the alleged tracker IS had 3 nights to do his tracking? If you want to question his claim, question N2, or question N3 under the belief that he's lying about being blocked. It's as certain as we can be of almost anything that he couldn't possibly track anyone N1. 2 nights. N1 it's understandable. But we are in night 3 so at this point i feel you are arguing semantics.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:26
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IllegallySober posted:Fair. It was really more in response to Sal calling the whole claim fake, but you're right that I can't prove the existence of my tracker card beyond providing the name of it, as I have. But either I then had to draw that card N3, or I have to have made up at least one of the cards I stated, right? again, how does you giving more evidence of definitely not tracking oppose the criticism of you for not tracking
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Jul 26, 2018 02:26
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I mean, if I truly was scum I could also be getting fed card names/abilities from my scumbuddies, I suppose. But I think pretty much everybody paying attention would agree my play this game has not suggested that I'm some mastermind at work here.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:26
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Xad posted:Yeah I'm not moving my vote. Right? It’s annoying. Dancer posted:I mean, I get that this is something reasonable people can disagree with, but the way I see it, case in point. Birb could get away with that specifically because tracker sucks (well, no it doesn't, it can absolutely nail people to the wall in the right circumstances, but it's on the weaker side). Tracker is pretty strong to have  A tracker that has failed to track anyone all 3 nights is not a very good tracker, imo.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:26
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like come on if you're scum then you'd also know what cards your buds have, or you could be telling the truth about doing other stuff on the side while a bro NKed, going all "ooh, I know real names of actual random cards" means jack and poo poo
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Jul 26, 2018 02:27
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Bifauxnen posted:again, how does you giving more evidence of definitely not tracking oppose the criticism of you for not tracking It doesn't, but I'm asserting it DOES show I was doing something else other than tracking and not lying about the whole thing.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:27
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SalTheBard posted:2 nights. N1 it's understandable. But we are in night 3 so at this point i feel you are arguing semantics. N3 he claimed being roleblocked without knowing that ghogd would confirm this... then ghogd confirmed this*. You believe this is a coincidence? Or do you believe ghogd is his scumbud/3p ally? *note: aforementioned it being past my bed-time, I don't have the energy to 100% confirm this right now, but I'm fairly confident of it.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:28
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Mr. Humalong posted:Right? It’s annoying. “Good tracker” ?? It’s possible to get unlucky with the targets, not to mention there appear to be a lot of vanilla roles. Doesn’t mean they’re scum Not a fan of this post
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Jul 26, 2018 02:29
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b-minus1 posted:“Good tracker” ?? It’s possible to get unlucky with the targets, not to mention there appear to be a lot of vanilla roles. Doesn’t mean they’re scum It’s impossible for IS to get unlucky with his targets because he has not picked a single target to track
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Jul 26, 2018 02:30
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I probably missed this. But Did ghgd originally claim a jail action? I was surprised when he said he tried to jail sal, as I thought his only ability was to hand out flags
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Jul 26, 2018 02:30
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b-minus1 posted:Scum jailer? I don't know if Sal is town or not, sorry.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:30
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b-minus1 posted:“Good tracker” ?? It’s possible to get unlucky with the targets, not to mention there appear to be a lot of vanilla roles. Doesn’t mean they’re scum I half disagree? Even vanilla roles can do plenty of actions. What we do have though is at least one role-block, and an arguably genuine reason to do something other than your track action.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:30
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b-minus1 posted:I probably missed this. But Did ghgd originally claim a jail action? I was surprised when he said he tried to jail sal, as I thought his only ability was to hand out flags Good point. He ignored this post: Dancer posted:Is this the first time you reveal this? while responding to the post immediately preceding it.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:32
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b-minus1 posted:I probably missed this. But Did ghgd originally claim a jail action? I was surprised when he said he tried to jail sal, as I thought his only ability was to hand out flags You are confusing 2 people. It was IS who tried to jail me
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Jul 26, 2018 02:32
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Dancer posted:I half disagree? Even vanilla roles can do plenty of actions. What we do have though is at least one role-block, and an arguably genuine reason to do something other than your track action. Sure. I’m vanilla and can technically do more than just draw a card (I can trade), but afaik my action doesn’t involve visiting a player. I could be wrong, I just figured basic card actions (draw,trade etc) are different than PR abilities
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Jul 26, 2018 02:33
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wait hold on, you are a tracker, and instead of tracking someone you thought was scum, you jailed them instead? Exactly what information did you think you would gain over just tracking them? ##vote IllegalySober I'm not buying this
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Jul 26, 2018 02:34
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Mr. Humalong posted:A tracker that has failed to track anyone all 3 nights is not a very good tracker, imo. Mr. Humalong posted:It’s impossible for IS to get unlucky with his targets because he has not picked a single target to track I'll also throw out there that it's an interesting standpoint to decide that if I'm a claimed tracker, that the best thing for town to do is to dunk me as opposed to actually seeing if I have results to claim going forward.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:34
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Dancer posted:Good point. He ignored this post: O hell I missed GHGDs post.
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FYI I’m almost certainly gonna vote sober but since more people are here I think we should wait a little longer to hammer
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Jul 26, 2018 02:35
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IllegallySober posted:I'll also throw out there that it's an interesting standpoint to decide that if I'm a claimed tracker, that the best thing for town to do is to dunk me as opposed to actually seeing if I have results to claim going forward. Uuuugh you're not helpiiiing
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Jul 26, 2018 02:35
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Tracking is an immensely powerful role. I'd prefer tracker to cop, tbh. Tracking gives clear results instead of possible things that can affect cop results.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:36
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Khris Kruel posted:wait hold on, you are a tracker, and instead of tracking someone you thought was scum, you jailed them instead? Exactly what information did you think you would gain over just tracking them? jfc I almost wanna thank you for spelling it out for a dumb idiot like me, I had read that he did try tracking on N3 I'm dumb (and still loving sleepy). I'm going to go for some fresh air.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:36
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Dancer posted:Uuuugh you're not helpiiiing Hey, I'm here in the service of town at this point. If I'm dunked, I'm dunked, but when I flip town at least it's going to be evident who was pushing hardest for it.
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IllegallySober posted:I'll also throw out there that it's an interesting standpoint to decide that if I'm a claimed tracker, that the best thing for town to do is to dunk me as opposed to actually seeing if I have results to claim going forward. I haven’t voted for you, but lol you’re not helping your case.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:36
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Khris Kruel posted:Tracking is an immensely powerful role. I'd prefer tracker to cop, tbh. Tracking gives clear results instead of possible things that can affect cop results. I disagree. If everyone has the ability to draw a card instead of performing whatever else, anyone who draws I'm tracking precisely nowhere.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:38
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Khris Kruel posted:Tracking is an immensely powerful role. I'd prefer tracker to cop, tbh. Tracking gives clear results instead of possible things that can affect cop results. This is philosophical at this point. Maybe it's that especially sour feeling after a game where you know "hey I tracked 3 different scumbos but never had anything to show for it because they didn't perform the loving kill ", but I'd rather be cop4lyfe.
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Jul 26, 2018 02:39
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Khris Kruel posted:wait hold on, you are a tracker, and instead of tracking someone you thought was scum, you jailed them instead? Exactly what information did you think you would gain over just tracking them? And as for this, my reasoning was I would rather prevent someone I suspected as scum from taking any action (like drawing a card) as opposed to running the risk that I would track them nowhere.
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Dancer posted:This is philosophical at this point. Maybe it's that especially sour feeling after a game where you know "hey I tracked 3 different scumbos but never had anything to show for it because they didn't perform the loving kill Exactly how I feel as well. You're getting a result in any event as a cop.
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