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d0s posted:I would say 84-99 but word Arcades may have been the innovators but the limitations of the platform were eclipsed by consoles which allowed a slower pacing and more complex mechanics to master. That’s what I mean by emulating console games, when you started getting games like Willow and Black Tiger where the pacing inhibits diving deep into its systems, or at worse, the systems were entirely too simplistic to be worth diving into. Like Namco’s Yokai Dochuki is a game that really could’ve flourished if designed for consoles. It has obtuse ending conditions, multi tiered levels, and a lot of secrets that encourage exploration. It even has some Alex Kidd as hell mini-games within its stages but overall it is prohibitively balanced. It was made more playable on consoles with sacrifices to the art but it could’ve been a lot more on the level of the NES’ Strider or River City Ransom, a spin-off of Renegade that takes all the simplicity of brawlers with the RPG mechanisms that arcade games couldn’t deliver.
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To say Japan was king is dumb. Because Athena exists and it's an rear end in a top hat arcade game that somehow had popularity in spite of being a douchebag. Not GIT GUD like Robotron 2084. It's just an rear end in a top hat like Wizardry 4 or NES Spelunker. (Actually Spelunker NES is more fair than arcade Athena.) Also see Tower of Druaga which is an arcade game version of a text adventure with bad Moon logic puzzles no normal person is gonna figure out especially on a couple quarters/100 yen pieces. Retro Replay made a point of this with Ghosts n Goblins yesterday. Troy Baker put it in terms of being a kid and either getting a dollar while mom is shopping or maybe even earning a few bucks mowing lawns n poo poo. You put it in GnG. You get like a minute or two before GAME OVER. Now add in most arcades setting difficulty to max on titles that during the mid 80-90s were already pulling lots of unfair quarter munching crap on you and well? There is a reason the Golden Age is considered to be the same as Pre Crash I think. (And the total non game Dragons Lair was more or less Patient Zero in arcade games getting greedy and giving you the shortest time possible with no real GIT GUD outside of memorizing it. Lots of brawlers got rid of even that chance. Try beating most of them on one play even on default.) But basically there are good and bad games from every game making region in every era. And while it's fine to have a preference don't be a loving weeb/Europhile/MURRICA type about it.
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al-azad posted:Arcades may have been the innovators but the limitations of the platform were eclipsed by consoles which allowed a slower pacing and more complex mechanics to master. That’s what I mean by emulating console games, when you started getting games like Willow and Black Tiger where the pacing inhibits diving deep into its systems, or at worse, the systems were entirely too simplistic to be worth diving into. these examples are a tiny portion of arcade games which mostly stuck to and refined well defined genres, also not everybody wants slow pacing and deep systems in videogames, at least the kind of systems you describe. there is plenty of depth and strategy in well designed arcade action games, just not the kind you're thinking about. if you're playing any of those games by just brute force you will probably not last long e: shut up captain rufus d0s fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Jul 27, 2018 |
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Jul 27, 2018 23:42
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d0s posted:these examples are a tiny portion of arcade games which mostly stuck to and refined well defined genres I disagree. They defined the genres but the limitations of a medium that demanded your attention for 5 minutes of a time prevented the kind of deep refinement that happened on the home platform.
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Jul 27, 2018 23:47
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al-azad posted:I disagree. They defined the genres but the limitations of a medium that demanded your attention for 5 minutes of a time prevented the kind of deep refinement that happened on the home platform. see my edited post. there is plenty of depth to arcade gameplay, it's just a different kind e: also this is part of why some people don't like western arcade games, the western devs for the most part didn't really understand the sort of metagame of arcade action games and the games were not fun or interesting to play repeatedly d0s fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jul 27, 2018 |
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Jul 27, 2018 23:48
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d0s posted:see my edited post. there is plenty of depth to arcade gameplay, it's just a different kind I don’t know what different kind you’re referring to. There are certainly post-85 arcade games that reward skillful play by elevating the experience to another level (like Splatterhouse) but the core gameplay must allow for the interactions a player expects from them. It’s why I have a lot of respect for shooters, a genre that allows brute force but greatly rewards skillful play despite repeating the same challenges. I can’t say the same for the first couple years of brawlers, a genre reliant on attractive graphics until they became robust enough to offer more options than punch and kick.
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Jul 28, 2018 00:02
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GutBomb posted:My GDEMU clone and SD2SNES, both from JackDIY arrived today and they both work great. Firmware can be updated to the latest on the SD2SNES and SuperFX games work perfectly. GDEMU clone works great too. Shipping took 13 days from China but the GDEMU clone was $100 and the SD2SNES was $115. That’s $30 cheaper for the GDEMU and nearly $100 cheaper for the SD2SNES. Definitely gonna get me a GDEmu clone. I’d like to buy a real one but the dude that makes them is a doofus with a victim complex. Just let me buy your poo poo gdi
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Jul 28, 2018 00:05
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The crux of my argument is that once I was a fool who slept on Mappy. Now that my eyes are open I have to repent for years of foolishness.
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Jul 28, 2018 00:15
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al-azad posted:I don’t know what different kind you’re referring to. There are certainly post-85 arcade games that reward skillful play by elevating the experience to another level (like Splatterhouse) but the core gameplay must allow for the interactions a player expects from them. yeah early beatemups aren't great but so are early examples of most genres? by the late 80's most arcade genres (and there really aren't many) were refined enough for their "big" games (and a whole lot of lesser known ones) to be fun without adding RPG systems or whatever and still remaining fast paced. sure, on consoles you could play around with genres a lot more because the user has a lot more time but I'm not sure one style is objectively better than the other, it's just different. you can spend a lot of time at home getting immersed in a game's world and systems or you can spend a lot of time in an arcade focusing on a more pure skill based thing. yeah, there have been attempts to move console style gameplay to arcades but to me at least it just doesn't work, of course because the nature of arcade games is quick action for a short period of time. I'm not saying it's something everyone should enjoy, as history has shown the vast majority of people don't enjoy it and prefer the console experience. al-azad posted:I don’t know what different kind you’re referring to. re this specifically: I am talking about systems that naturally work for arcade style gameplay, that exactly don't feel shorehorned in from console games, that work with the limitations. pretty much: scoring systems, rank systems, combo systems, etc. this stuff adds depth without any necessity for long playtimes. it's simplistic stuff yes but the soul of arcade games is simplicity. if you find yourself playing most well known arcade games and finding it boring then it's probably just not your thing. I find most games with any story boring, but I'm not going to suggest that the next elder scrolls game should be more like r-type
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Depth has to arrive from the interaction with the game’s mechanics. Simplicity is a good thing, but a deep game knows how to layer new challenges without subtracting from the core gameplay loop. The best games, like shooters, maintained that purity. The ones I don’t like, the ones I really feel sprung up around 87 to early 90s, rely on setpieces over strong gameplay. They don’t really hold up under scrutiny because there’s not much there.
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al-azad posted:The best games, like shooters, maintained that purity. The ones I don’t like, the ones I really feel sprung up around 87 to early 90s, rely on setpieces over strong gameplay. They don’t really hold up under scrutiny because there’s not much there. can you name specific examples?
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Jul 28, 2018 00:58
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Null of Undefined posted:Definitely gonna get me a GDEmu clone. I’d like to buy a real one but the dude that makes them is a doofus with a victim complex. Just let me buy your poo poo gdi That’s the main reason why I went with the clone. It was either check the dude’s blog every day and hope the short window it’s available is a time when I can log in and hope that I get a chance before the window closes or just get a clone. He blames the mass production of the everdrive for the everdrive clones rather than just realizing that China clones everything. Bring on the rhea/phoebe clones, I say.
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Jul 28, 2018 01:36
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d0s posted:can you name specific examples? Phone posting so I'll go into detail later, but right off the top of my head I dislike the RPG platformer movement like Rastan then moving on to Cadash and Astyanax. I think it was someone in this thread years ago who said item shops ruined arcade SHMUPS and it's a sentiment I think applies to other genres like Double Dragon 3's real money item shop. Games from the era I really like blended genres together like Gain Ground, Rampart, and Rod Land.
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Jul 28, 2018 02:03
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All New Sonic posted:The pin is there, you can see the shiny edge on top of the (now deformed) pin below it. It looks like it wasn't seated in the connector properly and got pushed in when the connector was attached to the PCB. That probably means the other pin wasn't making proper contact, either. I thought that too when I looked at the picture before posting, and rechecked. But it's some weird trick of the lens; I don't know if it's just like, reflecting off the back or what, but there is legit one pin on the bottom and nothing up top. You can see a point where it would've torn. I mean, same outcome either way, but yeah, for a second I was like "Maybe I can bend that back into place," but there's nothing to bend.
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Jul 28, 2018 02:33
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Null of Undefined posted:Definitely gonna get me a GDEmu clone. I’d like to buy a real one but the dude that makes them is a doofus with a victim complex. Just let me buy your poo poo gdi If you were on discord you would know I’m selling my legit one in a few weeks with a bunch of other stuff. Cost of GDEMU + shipping, I prefer my usb gdrom
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flyboi posted:If you were on discord you would know I’m selling my legit one in a few weeks with a bunch of other stuff. Cost of GDEMU + shipping, I prefer my usb gdrom I am on discord but chronically ignore it. Prepare for dm.
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al-azad posted:Phone posting so I'll go into detail later, but right off the top of my head I dislike the RPG platformer movement like Rastan then moving on to Cadash and Astyanax. I think it was someone in this thread years ago who said item shops ruined arcade SHMUPS and it's a sentiment I think applies to other genres like Double Dragon 3's real money item shop. Rastan and Astyanax are pure action games, though? I love the "action game with item shop" arcade era, mapping out an upgrade path through a single-session game is fun in a completely different way to steadily enhancing a character over multiple hours.
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al-azad posted:Phone posting so I'll go into detail later, but right off the top of my head I dislike the RPG platformer movement like Rastan then moving on to Cadash and Astyanax. I think it was someone in this thread years ago who said item shops ruined arcade SHMUPS and it's a sentiment I think applies to other genres like Double Dragon 3's real money item shop. ok I think we pretty much agree on what makes a good arcade game, I just feel like the things we agree are bad are in a small percentage of arcade games (even during the time you specified). what you describe wasn't exactly rampant and balls-and-sticks arcade games stayed mostly arcadey to the end imo d0s fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jul 28, 2018 |
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Jul 28, 2018 03:20
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:Rastan and Astyanax are pure action games, though? I can't shake the feeling that upgrade shops compromise the design by putting too much leverage on certain items. Fantasy Zone is kind of a stand out because the entire game is basically centered around upgrades. There's definitely a frustration factor to losing everything but tearing through levels fully upgraded is the best feeling in gaming.
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flyboi posted:If you were on discord you would know I’m selling my legit one in a few weeks with a bunch of other stuff. Cost of GDEMU + shipping, I prefer my usb gdrom Just curious, why do you like the usb gdrom over the gdemu?
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Bonobos posted:Just curious, why do you like the usb gdrom over the gdemu? Laziness mostly, I have a large thumb drive in the usb gdrom which lets me keep all the games without having to shrink or do anything, just drag & drop. Getting games to fit on the gdemu is a little more challenging due to less space.. You can shrink the newer gdrom rips to save space but you still need an app to manually load everything over due to it having a special folder structure. While the menu is nicer I just don't have the willpower to get a SD card and redo what I already have done.
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TVs Ian posted:Am I the only one that likes modern emulators' CRT filters? I was impressed that one of the CRT modes made the text in FF3 look 'right'. If you run it in the SNES Mini, there's little pixel greebles next to the letters once they fade in (during the walking mech intro) which don't look right in HD. But with the CRT filter it looked nice and smooth.
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On display at California Extreme: https://twitter.com/stevenplin/status/1023260799291162624
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Holy poo poo that rules. I wanna see what it looks like inside.
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I’m here at the show, although I’m currently getting lunch with the missus. I’ll try to take some shots. I did get a chance to play this tabletop earlier, and ended up liking the sticks more than I thought:
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Dance Dance Revolution ACE came out in 2016, so i'd say we're still in the golden age of arcade games
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Shot of Starlords in action: https://twitter.com/MikeJMika/status/1023406332613775360
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8-bit Miniboss posted:Shot of Starlords in action: I got a shot of this as well in my Live video, but here’s my Facebook Live of the main floor (apologies for when the camera does stupid poo poo eventually) https://www.facebook.com/paulstreifel/videos/10214092506598972/
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Is Legendary Wings a good shmup or a bad shmup?
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cosmicjim posted:Is Legendary Wings a good shmup or a bad shmup?
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FilthyImp posted:It gets tedious. yep
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The worst example ever of this kind of game has to be Legend of Makai. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IC8jyMYSd0
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For the most part I’ve missed this hobby. My level of involvement In this hobby didn’t mesh with what my wife wants in life. She actively dislikes fun. It’s tough for me to do anything moderately in a way that isn’t invasive on the rest of my life. We’ve pretty much moved to a small lake cabin that doesn’t have room for my stuff. It’s pretty sad. I have my Nintendo AVS here, but it’s hooked up to a big screen LCD with bad delay. I need to finish selling off my “non-essentials” but I have so much stuff it’s tedious.
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cosmicjim posted:My level of involvement In this hobby didn’t mesh with what my wife wants in life. She actively dislikes fun. It’s tough for me to do anything moderately in a way that isn’t invasive on the rest of my life. We’ve pretty much moved to a small lake cabin that doesn’t have room for my stuff. It’s pretty sad. Sounds like a great marriage.
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GutBomb posted:Sounds like a great marriage. 18 years of bliss. Honestly it seems the same as every long term marriage I see. The only other long term marriages I see are when the husband’s hobby is watching sports or hunting/fishing/golf. That’s being cynical with a dash of hyperbole, but.... well this just kind of fizzled. I don’t know where I was going with this. I’m probably going to sell my Nintendo power collection next. Probably over 200 issues. Probably too bulky to be worth shipping.
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Got something cool last week, finally got it setup:          They aren't lying in the screenshots about the rainbow color that's for sure, this device is positively riotous in use of color onscreen. Bonus shot from a different store:   An interesting method of handling a hosed up controller port.
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Has anyone tried to install the component(ypbpr) chip onto a nes or atari rgb install? I'm having trouble getting it to work for some reason 
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cosmicjim posted:18 years of bliss. I truly am sorry for what you are going through, this truly sounds depressing like hell. If you do decide to ship I know at least I would be interested in your collection. Probably lots of other people here as well.
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It’s not as bad as it sounds. I’m happy and have an amazing life. My wife doesn’t share any of the same hobbies except for “music” and “watching the tv.” That is pretty much the extent of it. My hobbies weren’t a problem when the cabin was a summer weekend place, but living here there’s no room for my stuff AND her stuff. As for shipping 200 magazines, that seems like it would cost $50-100 just for the shipping, I don’t really want to break them up.
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