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Dan Didio posted:Everybody Hurts.  'Cause everybody cries
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That picture doesn't make me sad anymore DC is happy, a two division champion and killing it on commentary all at the same time
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Jul 29, 2018 13:34
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Thanks to the steroid cheater being banned yeah. USADA was a good thing
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Jul 29, 2018 13:36
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id be cool with poirier/ferguson on the khabib/connor card. he deserves a shot but if he doesnt wanna wait thats a sick fight
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Jul 29, 2018 17:02
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Zzulu posted:Thanks to the steroid cheater being banned yeah. USADA was a good thing but aldo just fought last night 
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Jul 29, 2018 18:02
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Skip My Posts posted:id be cool with poirier/ferguson on the khabib/connor card. he deserves a shot but if he doesnt wanna wait thats a sick fight we'd end up with conor-poirier again which might be interesting, but i think conor would starch him again
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Jul 29, 2018 18:05
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last night's ufc on fox was the lowest viewed ufc on fox card ever which is really disappointing considering how fuckin stacked that card was. i really think this is a byproduct of way too many ufc shows per year.
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Jul 29, 2018 19:46
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STONE COLD 64 posted:but aldo just fought last night The steroid cheater dumb enough to get caught again.
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Jul 29, 2018 19:56
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STONE COLD 64 posted:last night's ufc on fox was the lowest viewed ufc on fox card ever which is really disappointing considering how fuckin stacked that card was. i really think this is a byproduct of way too many ufc shows per year. that's incredible. last night was one of the first shows i was really looking forward to seeing in a while
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Jul 29, 2018 20:27
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I think if the ufc held the same number of events per year currently as they did about 5 years ago, we would be posting in an MMA golden age.
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Jul 29, 2018 20:30
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If three former champs can't entice people to tune in, then I don't know what will.
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Jul 29, 2018 20:32
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also early reports are the cormier/miocic ppv did about 280k ppv buys, which is way under projection.
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Jul 29, 2018 20:35
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The UFC is suffering from something that Bellator has figured out- the average casual viewer doesn't have a good sense of how long an elite fighter stays at a peak and/or a good passage of time. You know how when we hear "Rampage took the UFC title from Chuck 11 years ago" our reaction is "wow time flies and Chuck is old"? Many casual viewers don't even realize that Chuck isn't still an elite fighter, and that's why Bellator is happy to pay for Chuck-Tito 3 - name recognition trumps everything. So last night we had 3 former champs on the card - one defended his title zero times and is probably best known outside of this thread as that guy McGregor beat, one is known as that guy who nerds say is awesome but always has disappointing and boring fights, and the third is a girl with an unpronouncable name. Nobody has seen them fight or remembers them anymore, because for most people Rampage is still relevant and Brock is still the champion. I've encountered these people in the wild. It's strange. They go to bars and see fights like Condit-Lawler and call them boring because there wasn't a first-round KO. I don't know what they want to see, but those people won't watch a card like last night's.
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Jul 29, 2018 20:43
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STONE COLD 64 posted:also early reports are the cormier/miocic ppv did about 280k ppv buys, which is way under projection. Big Dave said estimates are now at 380k a couple days ago. So its not the greatest but its one of their top PPVs of the year so far.
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Jul 29, 2018 20:43
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CommonShore posted:The UFC is suffering from something that Bellator has figured out- the average casual viewer doesn't have a good sense of how long an elite fighter stays at a peak and/or a good passage of time. You know how when we hear "Rampage took the UFC title from Chuck 11 years ago" our reaction is "wow time flies and Chuck is old"? Many casual viewers don't even realize that Chuck isn't still an elite fighter, and that's why Bellator is happy to pay for Chuck-Tito 3 - name recognition trumps everything. Pretty much. There is a reason that while the UFC was breaking out with TUF and putting on cards featuring young, up-and-coming stars and their current champions, they were also making goddamn sure you got old but notable names like Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie or public attractions like Sean Gannon in there. The real reason Bellator is scummy isn't that they're doing the same thing, it's that they still tried to do it with Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie a decade-plus later.
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Jul 29, 2018 21:43
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The biggest issue here is oversaturation IMO. There’s so many cards that nobody is making time for all of them anymore and instead of people trying to schedule around a UFC card, they’re just catching it when they happen to be free and if they’re busy that night, oh well, there’s another one next week. It also leads to issues with people not being able to follow the progression of people’s careers. In the GSP and Anderson cases, people basically saw all of their fights leading up to them peaking because cards were infrequent enough that people could watch everything. It’s much harder for a person to develop an attachment to a fighter over time if they’re statistically less likely to see all of their fights.
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Jul 29, 2018 22:39
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sportsgenius86 posted:The biggest issue here is oversaturation IMO. There’s so many cards that nobody is making time for all of them anymore and instead of people trying to schedule around a UFC card, they’re just catching it when they happen to be free and if they’re busy that night, oh well, there’s another one next week. Also having too many cards means they have to come up with more divisions (good thing overall, IMO) or interim belts (bad thing IMO) so every PPV can have title fights. I think it's watering down overall the quality of the product. The belts don't mean poo poo, since they award interim belts like crazy and then strip real or interim champions whenever it's useful. And this problem isn't going away either, servicing that debt can't be easy and they're not gonna put on fewer cards. Oh and fight cards used to have 8 fights, now it's like 13.
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Jul 29, 2018 22:50
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sportsgenius86 posted:The biggest issue here is oversaturation IMO. There’s so many cards that nobody is making time for all of them anymore and instead of people trying to schedule around a UFC card, they’re just catching it when they happen to be free and if they’re busy that night, oh well, there’s another one next week. This is it for me. I saw every card a few years ago and I enjoyed following the fighters I liked. I got excited for them Now it's just random fighter #44 vs random fighter # 66
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Jul 29, 2018 22:56
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There are too many fights, too many important fights buried on undercards and events take like 9 hours with endless promos and commercials. UFC watered down their product and made it torture to watch.
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Jul 29, 2018 23:00
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maybe the espn shows will be better
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Jul 29, 2018 23:15
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handsome only face posted:maybe the espn shows will be better I wouldn't be shocked if there's more cards once the ESPN deal starts. They aren't paying 300 million a year to have an event every three weeks.
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Jul 29, 2018 23:32
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the reebok deal and banning individual sponsors killed a lot of guy's visual style and now it really is red versus blue a ton of the time. it seems very corporate now instead of catering to an audience and expressing a point of view, even if that audience was METAL MULISHA and CORN NUTS
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Jul 30, 2018 00:15
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:the reebok deal and banning individual sponsors killed a lot of guy's visual style and now it really is red versus blue a ton of the time. it seems very corporate now instead of catering to an audience and expressing a point of view, even if that audience was METAL MULISHA and CORN NUTS It hurt the gayness of the sport when people stopped having condom depot written on their asses.
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Jul 30, 2018 00:18
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:the reebok deal and banning individual sponsors killed a lot of guy's visual style and now it really is red versus blue a ton of the time. it seems very corporate now instead of catering to an audience and expressing a point of view, even if that audience was METAL MULISHA and CORN NUTS I miss the goofy NASCAR looking shorts.
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Jul 30, 2018 00:50
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I had to miss the latest show, but the card looked great, was it good? I've managed to avoid most results but just wondering if there was anything can't miss on there?STONE COLD 64 posted:also early reports are the cormier/miocic ppv did about 280k ppv buys, which is way under projection. That's crazy, it was such a good card.
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Jul 30, 2018 00:58
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Tuesday night fights has proven way more palatable for me to watch with some friends tbh
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Jul 30, 2018 01:17
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There was an article a few years ago on the close correlation between someone's favourtie sports and their political affiliation/engagement. PGA was, unsurprisingly, very right wing, but UFC fans were, on the whole, way over on the left. Do you think, in a roundabout way, White's association and occasional, half hearted defence of Trump is somehow hurting their numbers? I mean, there's a lot of reasons the UFC is hurting, but could that be part of it? It's already perceived by a lot of people as the chosen sport of the far right, even though, according to that article, it isn't.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:18
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Their numbers suck because the big stars never fight or they retired and there’s 40 cards a year, and all the TV cards take 5 hours to watch 4 fights.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:21
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Guys, do you think that there's any way I can shoehorn TRUMP BAD into everything all the time forever?
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Jul 30, 2018 01:24
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Snowman_McK posted:There was an article a few years ago on the close correlation between someone's favourtie sports and their political affiliation/engagement. PGA was, unsurprisingly, very right wing, but UFC fans were, on the whole, way over on the left. Do you think, in a roundabout way, White's association and occasional, half hearted defence of Trump is somehow hurting their numbers? I mean, there's a lot of reasons the UFC is hurting, but could that be part of it? It's already perceived by a lot of people as the chosen sport of the far right, even though, according to that article, it isn't. Unless you can find evidence that Trump spiked Jon Jones' gas station dick medicine or made a holographic Conor throw a chair through a bus window then no
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Jul 30, 2018 01:29
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Byolante posted:Trump spiked Jon Jones' gas station dick medicine Jones: Your honor, I have a new defense prepared....
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Jul 30, 2018 01:31
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Disgusting Coward posted:Guys, do you think that there's any way I can shoehorn TRUMP BAD into everything all the time forever? What a very odd response.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:33
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It was also a Saturday night in the middle of summer, awful timeslot for ratings.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:34
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I cant believe John McCain's early opposition to MMA was yet another voter disenfranchisement tactic.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:35
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Byolante posted:Unless you can find evidence that Trump spiked Jon Jones' gas station dick medicine or made a holographic Conor throw a chair through a bus window then no Well, a few years ago, in 2011, long before Conor was around, the average PPV, including cards headlined by Frankie Edgar or Jose Aldo, tended to do about 300k buys. Jones would spike that up to half a mil on average. But 250-300k seemed to be the floor. That's now what a stacked card like 227 doesn't quite do. Numbers are generally down, and stars not fighting is only part of it.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:41
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The UFC just has too many events which is a thing Poirier pointed out. Nobody will be talking about his win over Alvarez in a week because there's another event. That's not a horrible thing but it does contribute to the "fatigue" people are having with the events.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:41
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I still try to watch most of the cards but the ones that are on Fox Sports 1 and go on for six hours are torture to sit through. The brisk pace of the Fight Pass stuff is a breath of fresh air in comparison, Tuesday Night Contenders fits 5 fights, human interest fluff pieces for each of the fighters, post fight interviews, the Dana selection process, etc. all in a two hour slot. My one hope from the ESPN deal is that their TV cards are trimmed down significantly.
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Jul 30, 2018 01:42
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Snowman_McK posted:There was an article a few years ago on the close correlation between someone's favourtie sports and their political affiliation/engagement. PGA was, unsurprisingly, very right wing, but UFC fans were, on the whole, way over on the left. Do you think, in a roundabout way, White's association and occasional, half hearted defence of Trump is somehow hurting their numbers? I mean, there's a lot of reasons the UFC is hurting, but could that be part of it? It's already perceived by a lot of people as the chosen sport of the far right, even though, according to that article, it isn't. Lol
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Jul 30, 2018 01:50
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Yeah definitely just too much quantity and not enough quality. You know poo poo is weird when you read this subforum daily and events somehow sneak up on you that you didn't know were happening. I can't imagine many people have the time or desire nowadays to follow the (small and short) buildup to the non-mega cards because holy poo poo there are so many. That and like people have said the drat things start at like 6 pm eastern and go until like 1 am eastern and you just get burned out. I enjoy watching prelims and stuff but it still feels like too much. That and a huge percentage of fights get cancelled for injury and weight cutting so even the cards you do look forward to fall apart.
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post the made up article
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