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Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Jesus christ I hate every single thing about this trade :cripes:

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Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Salvor_Hardin posted:

To be fair, he is doing typical lawyer poo poo that he is legally obligated to do there. But still, gently caress that guy.

It leaves a bad taste in the mouth but yeah. It's kind of like when the union goes to bat for, say, Ryan Braun. You think "gently caress Ryan Braun" but they have to do it

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=
gently caress Ryan Braun

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?
Clapping Larry

Salvor_Hardin posted:

To be fair, he is doing typical lawyer poo poo that he is legally obligated to do there. But still, gently caress that guy.

I feel like not commenting at all would have better optics than "my dude isn't sorry for what he allegedly did [because he is still considered alleged at this point?], just sorry that he got caught".



In other news, Kole Calhoun-watch 2018 is still in full go. He hit .145/.195/.179 through May 31st in 185 PA before going on the disabled list. Since returning on June 18th he has hit .302/.368/.683 in 144 PA.

The phantom disabled list works you guys.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

His lawyer is saying "My client did nothing wrong, he's remorseful of the cloud surrounding him that's affecting his new team"

It's basically to nix the idea that there's a public admission of guilt floating around

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.
He phrased it poorly then, because that statement as it stands reads like “My client isn’t sorry he did it, he’s sorry he got caught”.

IcePhoenix
Sep 18, 2005

Take me to your Shida

I love these .gifs

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1024984244198752256

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Big Mean Jerk posted:

He phrased it poorly then, because that statement as it stands reads like “My client isn’t sorry he did it, he’s sorry he got caught”.

That would be the world's worst defense attorney if that were the case

I guess it could be phrased better yeah, but "my client is not remorseful of any criminal activity" is supposed to mean he's remorseful, not because he did anything wrong but because he carries this stink with him that's affecting the new team

e: note: I am not defending Osuna here, just explaining what his lawyer is saying

Intruder fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Aug 2, 2018

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

IcePhoenix posted:

I love these .gifs

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1024972343851003904

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
zErO tOlErAnCe

Am I doing this right?

Good Dog
Oct 16, 2008

Who threw this cat at me?
Clapping Larry
Imagine seeing Pitching Ninja showcase all the immensely talented pitchers in MLB and provide so much insight to grip, arm angle and tunneling technique and your reaction is to ban him from twitter for making gifs.

MLB is supremely stupid at media.

Inspector_666
Oct 7, 2003

benny with the good hair

it's so good and THEN THE BUTT SHAKE.

:allears:

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003


In which I realize I still don't understand the balk rule

Gobias Ind.
Apr 5, 2007

If your girlfriend says hey to me that's our girlfriend now idc
Yeah, Osuna is pleading not guilty, so the Astros are full of poo poo when they say that they did their due diligence and he seems remorseful. And Osuna's lawyer is clarifying that because that could be seen as an admission of guilt.

Just poo poo, all around.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
but he throws real fast

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Big Mean Jerk posted:

He phrased it poorly then, because that statement as it stands reads like “My client isn’t sorry he did it, he’s sorry he got caught”.

No its phrased fine

Pancakes
May 21, 2001

Crypto-Rump Roast

GalacticAcid posted:

but he throws real fast

Alex Reyes’ pot suspension versus Chapman’s domestic violence suspension at almost the exact same time will never fail to enrage me.

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

Pancakes posted:

Alex Reyes’ pot suspension versus Chapman’s domestic violence suspension at almost the exact same time will never fail to enrage me.

I havent watched an NFL game since Ray rice got 2 games for slinging his wife about by his hair while josh gordon simultaneously was suspended a year for weed

note: I do not miss the NFL

New Concept Hole
Oct 10, 2012

東方動的

Pancakes posted:

Alex Reyes’ pot suspension versus Chapman’s domestic violence suspension at almost the exact same time will never fail to enrage me.

There's a War on Drugs, not a War on DV. Doesn't roll off the tongue as well.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

bewbies posted:

I havent watched an NFL game since Ray rice got 2 games for slinging his wife about by his hair while josh gordon simultaneously was suspended a year for weed

note: I do not miss the NFL

Gordon was suspended a year for having a drink after the Browns final game of the season but before the season was "officially" over

And didn't Manziel dime him out on that?

bewbies
Sep 23, 2003

Fun Shoe

Intruder posted:

Gordon was suspended a year for having a drink after the Browns final game of the season but before the season was "officially" over

And didn't Manziel dime him out on that?

the time i'm thinking of was definitely weed:

https://mashable.com/2014/08/27/nfl-marijuana-josh-gordon-suspension/#dwWKu3d3FEqV

that said it is entirely possible he got suspended for drinking after being dimed out by manziel

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/josh_gordon_confirms_his_indef.html

I was wrong about him being dimed out but he was suspended for drinking in this instance

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Pancakes posted:

Alex Reyes’ pot suspension versus Chapman’s domestic violence suspension at almost the exact same time will never fail to enrage me.

Yeah but you see pot is addictive and if you do it once you could be hooked for life so they have to come down hard to make sure you kick such destructive and illegal habit. Meanwhile domestic violence is just a one off regrettable incident by otherwise upstanding individuals and as long as they show remorse we can be sure they'll never...

I was angling for a joke but then realized this is probably how a lot of people who run/watch sports actually think, and now I'm just depressed. :sigh:

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Sydin posted:

Yeah but you see pot is addictive and if you do it once you could be hooked for life so they have to come down hard to make sure you kick such destructive and illegal habit. Meanwhile domestic violence is just a one off regrettable incident by otherwise upstanding individuals and as long as they show remorse we can be sure they'll never...

I was angling for a joke but then realized this is probably how a lot of people who run/watch sports actually think, and now I'm just depressed. :sigh:

fun story, part of the reason Jeremy Jefress took so long to crack the bigs was that as a minor leaguer in the Brewers' system he was busted for pot, where the rules are much stricter and he got long suspensions. Eventually they realized he had an undiagnosed seizure disorder that he was treating with the weed (he had multiple suspensions and couldn't quit dat reefer). They got him into treatment for his condition, and now he's in the bigs terrifying batters and smoking all the weed he wants since it's allowed at the MLB level.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Wait, MLB has no problem with weed? :psyduck:

Tony Phillips
Feb 9, 2006

bewbies posted:

Also has a more prominent athlete ever died mid season? I can't think of one off the top of my head.

One two possible options as far as I can tell, and both are so long ago I have no idea if they were more prominent.

Addie Joss died 3 days/games into the 1911 season, but had fallen sick in Spring training and wasn't with the team. Not sure if that meets the requirement or not. Short, but stupidly good career. Not sure how to compare a 1900s pitcher to a 1970s catcher.

If not Joss, then maybe Ed Delahanty. Tale of two eras again, but his career numbers are better than Munson's at a quick glance.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/compare.cgi?top=/players/d/delahed01.shtml&bottom=/players/m/munsoth01.shtml

Lots of league leading stats throughout his career, but then again it includes things like leading the NL with a .495 slugging percentage. Then again - look at his 1899 and 1902 seasons.


Also, this should not have been lost on the last page of the July thread. And considering that the A's have completely caught up.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

iospace posted:

Wait, MLB has no problem with weed? :psyduck:

Not exactly, they just don’t test for it. It’s not like a full approval situation.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

When Jon Singleton popped for weed people pointed out that the Astros could protect him from future tests by adding him to the 40 man

They didn't and he popped again

He used it to help with his anxiety disorder and IIRC developed an alcohol problem because he couldn't use weed anymore

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=
burn the rich

Pancakes
May 21, 2001

Crypto-Rump Roast

iospace posted:

Wait, MLB has no problem with weed? :psyduck:

They don’t test for it in the majors, only the minors. After Reyes’ second positive test the Cardinals immediately put him on the 40-man so he wouldn’t be tested for it any more.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Big Mean Jerk posted:

Not exactly, they just don’t test for it. It’s not like a full approval situation.

Ah, ok. So it's more of "Yeah, this drug isn't performance enhancing at all, so we don't bother with it" situation.

Which ok, that's cool. Better than the NFL in that regard.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Not exactly, they just don’t test for it. It’s not like a full approval situation.

Yeah, this. They don't test for it because no major league club wants to lose expensive talent because of something dumb like dank nugs

Some Numbers
Sep 28, 2006

"LET'S GET DOWN TO WORK!!"

Tony Phillips posted:

Also, this should not have been lost on the last page of the July thread. And considering that the A's have completely caught up.



:smith:

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
https://twitter.com/GeorgeAKingIII/status/1025068313775403009

elentar
Aug 26, 2002

Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.
I know we joke about this a lot but is de Grom actually on track for the best season ever with a personal W-L record under .500? League leading ERA and FIP, about a 5 K/BB.

Poking around the Internet people talk about Nolan Ryan’s 1987 8-16 season, and de Grom is crushing that. You may have to go back to Ed Walsh in 1910, when pitching was a fundamentally different thing.

Poque
Sep 11, 2003

=^-^=

elentar posted:

I know we joke about this a lot but is de Grom actually on track for the best season ever with a personal W-L record under .500? League leading ERA and FIP, about a 5 K/BB.

Poking around the Internet people talk about Nolan Ryan’s 1987 8-16 season, and de Grom is crushing that. You may have to go back to Ed Walsh in 1910, when pitching was a fundamentally different thing.

Using fWAR (because I am better at quick pulls with fangraphs), the best WAR performances for a player with a <.500 record

1876 Jim Devlin: 30-35, 10.2
1886 Matt Kilroy: 29-34, 10
1884 Dupee Shaw: 30-33, 8.3
1910 Ed Walsh: 18-20, 8.1
1905 Cy Young: 18-19, 8.0
2004 Ben Sheets: 12-14, 8.0
1974 Jon Matlack: 13-15, 7.5
1983 Steve Carlton: 15-16, 7.4
1890 Harry Staley: 21-25, 7.2
1890 Amos Rusie: 29-34, 7.2
1960 Jim Bunning: 11-14, 6.9
1936 Van Mungo: 18-19, 6.9
1996 Roger Clemens: 10-13, 6.8
1976 Bert Blyleven: 13-16, 6.7
1886 Jim Whitney: 12-32, 6.7
1885 Hardie Henderson: 25-35, 6.6
1881 Lee Richmond: 25-26, 6.6
1963 Larry Jackson: 14-18, 6.6
2000 Mike Mussina: 11-15, 6.4
1987 Nolan Ryan: 8-16, 6.4

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Poque posted:

Using fWAR (because I am better at quick pulls with fangraphs), the best WAR performances for a player with a <.500 record

1876 Jim Devlin: 30-35, 10.2
1886 Matt Kilroy: 29-34, 10
1884 Dupee Shaw: 30-33, 8.3
1910 Ed Walsh: 18-20, 8.1
1905 Cy Young: 18-19, 8
2004 Ben Sheets: 12-14, 8
1974 Jon Matlack: 13-15, 7.5
1983 Steve Carlton: 15-16, 7.4
1890 Harry Staley: 21-25, 7.2
1890 Amos Rusie: 29-34, 7.2
1960 Jim Bunning: 11-14, 6.9
1936 Van Mungo: 18-19, 6.9
1996 Roger Clemens: 10-13, 6.8
1976 Bert Blyleven: 13-16, 6.7
1886 Jim Whitney: 12-32, 6.7
1885 Hardie Henderson: 25-35, 6.6
1881 Lee Richmond: 25-26, 6.6
1963 Larry Jackson: 14-18, 6.6
2000 Mike Mussina: 11-15, 6.4

2004 was such a weird year for pitching. Oliver Pérez had a 2.98 ERA, 239 k's in 196 innings (11 k/9), a 12-10 record on a horrible Pirates team, and received zero Cy Young votes.

Intruder
Mar 5, 2003

Poque posted:

Using fWAR (because I am better at quick pulls with fangraphs), the best WAR performances for a player with a <.500 record

1876 Jim Devlin: 30-35, 10.2
1886 Matt Kilroy: 29-34, 10
1884 Dupee Shaw: 30-33, 8.3
1910 Ed Walsh: 18-20, 8.1
1905 Cy Young: 18-19, 8.0
2004 Ben Sheets: 12-14, 8.0
1974 Jon Matlack: 13-15, 7.5
1983 Steve Carlton: 15-16, 7.4
1890 Harry Staley: 21-25, 7.2
1890 Amos Rusie: 29-34, 7.2
1960 Jim Bunning: 11-14, 6.9
1936 Van Mungo: 18-19, 6.9
1996 Roger Clemens: 10-13, 6.8
1976 Bert Blyleven: 13-16, 6.7
1886 Jim Whitney: 12-32, 6.7
1885 Hardie Henderson: 25-35, 6.6
1881 Lee Richmond: 25-26, 6.6
1963 Larry Jackson: 14-18, 6.6
2000 Mike Mussina: 11-15, 6.4
1987 Nolan Ryan: 8-16, 6.4

:geno:

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

The deadball era was insane. I looked up the linked Ed Walsh page and in his 1910 year he was 18-20 with 396.2 IP. That didn't even lead the league and was a down year, his best was 1908 when he was 40-15 with a 1.42 ERA over 464 IP :magical:

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UZR IS BULLSHIT
Jan 25, 2004
With like a 60 mph heater though

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