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join us now and share the foot-food you’ll be free hackers you’ll be free-ee-eeeee
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does arch just grab the latest version of every project from its maintainers and build that? why not?
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Mr.Radar posted:we also decided to rewrite our client software in c#/winforms with a proprietary closed-source widget toolkit layered on top which doesnt play nice with mono or wine. (oh my god how i wish i could go back and convince them to go with c++ and qt instead.) nah c#/winforms was a good decision and rewriting in javascript is a very bad idea.
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Fiedler posted:nah c#/winforms was a good decision shaggar plz
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Tankakern posted:yep. it's debian that's the odd one, gentoo and arch are pretty close to upstream. nbsd's referring to the time before systemd. gentoo is pretty good selinux wise too uhh what the popular linux is based on debian what upstream are gentoo and arch close to?
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Cocoa Crispies posted:uhh what The original developers
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Distributions are a stupid idea and they only exist because Linus doesn't want to take responsibility for his kernel.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Distributions are a stupid idea and they only exist because Linus doesn't want to take responsibility for his kernel. 💯
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fragmented efforts and the countless hours of literal busywork is just Freedom and Choice
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jit bull transpile posted:Aren't the debían project leads like completely insane though? How so? Ok there was that one time they had a pointless slapfight with the cdrecord dev and produced that wodim garbage that made coasters and everybody hated it and they had a tanty and stopped maintaining it. Or that one time they had a pointless slapfight with the deb-multimedia guy because users preferred his repository and engaged in a competitive renumbering and dependency conflict war to discourage them until users en masse pinned it higher. Surely those were just the bad apples.
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You'd think the OpenSSL fiasco would be a pretty big lesson about Debian's patch culture but they seem to keep ignoring it.
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I still like the "oh, well, we wouldn't have just ignored your post asking if it was okay to change on our mailing list if we knew who you were" from the aftermath, requesting a Civilization-style "OUR WORDS ARE BACKED WITH NUCLEAR WEAPONS!" disclaimer on every post by people at distros/OEMs ever.
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when debian replaced ffmpeg with avconv or whatever the gently caress was stupid as hell
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Subject: Re: Re: FYI: debian-legal is discussing the inclusion in the Debian archive of "erotic" interactive fiction depicting the sexual abuse of children
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Remember when the maintainer of the debian chromium package suddenly decided to disable all browser extensions with no way to re-enable them through the ui https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=852398
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does debian still rename all of mozillas stuff?
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how about when the xscreensaver developer got so annoyed with bug reports for ancient debian builds that they snuck in a security warning about out of date versions into the password prompt
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Progressive JPEG posted:does debian still rename all of mozillas stuff? No, the iceweasel saga is over. I'm not sure how it was negotiated but I always thought Mozilla had a legal case against it. pram posted:when debian replaced ffmpeg with avconv or whatever the gently caress was stupid as hell Ah I forgot that. That was the initial spur for many users to use deb-multimedia for a usable ffmpeg package. Avconv was as hosed up as the wodim poo poo too, it was terrible. Progressive JPEG posted:how about when the xscreensaver developer got so annoyed with bug reports for ancient debian builds that they snuck in a security warning about out of date versions into the password prompt What an embarrassing shitshow that bug report is. Apart from the technical issues around things like systemd and selinux, it was the fait accompli nature of Debian "policy" that sparked the initial flamewars over them.
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Aug 6, 2018 08:45
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gently caress the systemctl bash completetion is slow and painful. friendship ended with systemd. now *checks notes* lovely bash scripts are best friend
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use the service command, that one autocompletes instantly and redirects to systemctl automagically
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Progressive JPEG posted:how about when the xscreensaver developer got so annoyed with bug reports for ancient debian builds that they snuck in a security warning about out of date versions into the password prompt I finally got to the end of that bug report and the maintainer was actually the sane one. And then much amusement as the bug tracker succumbed to spam.
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lenovo joins lvfs! shocker https://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2018/08/06/please-welcome-lenovo-to-the-lvfs/ update your firmwares i guess
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apparently gnome is dropping theme support: "I would rather see GNOME evolve as a platform and become a little less developer-hostile by dropping support for third-party themes, than stagnate." https://samuelhewitt.com/blog/2018-08-05-moving-beyond-themes predictably a lot of people are up in arms about this instead of just finally making the correct choice and switching to the superior desktop environment, the k desktop environment
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jit bull transpile posted:Aren't the debían project leads like completely insane though? it's all committees reporting to committees there's not really any "leadership" per se because that is not a function that a committee can reliably perform
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ewe2 posted:Ah I forgot that. That was the initial spur for many users to use deb-multimedia for a usable ffmpeg package. Avconv was as hosed up as the wodim poo poo too, it was terrible. ffmpeg got forked because the guy who owned the ffmpeg domain name wasn't playing nice with the other developers, and a bunch of them hosed off and created libav. normal free software slapfight there cdrecord got forked to wodim because the author of cdrecord is completely loving batshit insane. for many years he had refused to "support" linux because solaris is obviously the only desktop unix anyone should care about, but then he went a step further in his sun fanboy-ism: he relicensed cdrecord to the sun license wodim is now the active project and cdrecord is one crazy guy's hobby on solaris
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its not that it just got forked. its that debian replaced the contents of the 'ffmpeg' package with avconv. which was absolutely not a drop-in replacement since a lot of the flags were completely different so youre trying to install one thing and getting something subtly different like youve fallen into another dimension. the debian experience
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yep sounds pretty normal for a free software slapfight
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My Linux history is long and full of distributions. From Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, LFS, Ubuntu, Mint, Redhat, CentOS, Mandrake, Mandriva, Suse, Fedora, and many others I am forgetting; Let me tell ya, Debian based distros always seem OK at the start, but every single one has a subtle way of breaking random poo poo. I have never EVER had a good experience with a Debian (non "stable) based distribution after the 6~ month mark.
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pram posted:its not that it just got forked. its that debian replaced the contents of the 'ffmpeg' package with avconv. which was absolutely not a drop-in replacement since a lot of the flags were completely different i look forward to microsoft updates becoming like this soon. we already have the "supposed security updates break everything" experience from bad distros on windows now
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ratbert90 posted:My Linux history is long and full of distributions. yeah the only bistro I ever used on a desktop for more than a month per install was gentoo
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Cocoa Crispies posted:yeah the only bistro I ever used on a desktop for more than a month per install was gentoo When I used Gentoo the distro was less than 6 months old at the time, and you had a fairly lengthy set of instructions to get it going. I remember setting up the compiling and going to bed, hoping that my ATHLON XP wouldn't explode during the night. Once it was set up though, it wasn't that bad! These days I use Fedora and CentOS/RHEL because I don't want to wait for things to compile. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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ratbert90 posted:When I used Gentoo the distro was less than 6 months old at the time, and you had a fairly lengthy set of instructions to get it going. yeah this was also like 13 years ago been on macOS since I got a real job because I like having wifi and sound
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Cocoa Crispies posted:yeah this was also like 13 years ago I have MacOS in a KVM with GPU passthrough. I have never had a issue with it, and it runs at native speeds.
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ratbert90 posted:I have MacOS in a KVM with GPU passthrough. I have never had a issue with it, and it runs at native speeds. how did you get this working did you have to install some hinky pirate patch
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i've tried the macos on non-mac laptop route. it's hell to get it working, and an even greater hell to keep working when an update arrives. it feels like a lot more of a time wasting chore than compiling packages on gentoo
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i just want to be able to compile my fart apps in a vm instead of keeping a special laptop that does nothing but compile fart apps
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Tankakern posted:i've tried the macos on non-mac laptop route. it's hell to get it working, and an even greater hell to keep working when an update arrives. it feels like a lot more of a time wasting chore than compiling packages on gentoo why would you think a Linux distro would have a different experience from other Linux distros?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how did you get this working If you have two video cards (I suggest a RX560) and a IOMMU compatible processor/board, it's pretty easy. Set up GPU passthrough using VFIO and follow the steps on: https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM I update MacOS like normal (Never had an issue), can use XCode/iOS simulation, and even iMessages work. I have two HDMI switches so I can run "macos.sh" in my terminal, flip the inputs, and use MacOS all day, it's pretty slick. MacOS auto-logins and runs synergy at startup as well.  Tankakern posted:i've tried the macos on non-mac laptop route. it's hell to get it working, and an even greater hell to keep working when an update arrives. it feels like a lot more of a time wasting chore than compiling packages on gentoo MacOS on a non-mac laptop is horrible and I wish it upon nobody. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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ratbert90 posted:When I used Gentoo the distro was less than 6 months old at the time, and you had a fairly lengthy set of instructions to get it going. i remember gentoo completely making GBS threads itself every time there was a perl update somehow
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Cocoa Crispies posted:bistro yes yes yes
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