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I got a new PB in startropics last night by about twenty seconds, but beat my old recorded time by two minutes so now I've cracked the top 20! The run was sloppy as all hell and there's so much room for improvement that I can already do, so I'm shooting for sub-1:10 next. It was fun, the world record holder watched the run while I was streaming and afterwards ran me through all of the strats that he's been using for about two hours, so lots to work on. Pretty nice guy!
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I'm trying to learn a run of a game and I could do with some advice about how to do this if anyone can help, particularly if you have experience running RPG type games. I'm familiar with the game itself now and I can do one of the categories fine enough (even though I can still improve on that I think) so I generally know most of the routes, quests, and other things I need to do. The Any% route I'm trying to learn is a bit different with other routing variations and it's much much longer so I'm still a little unsure of some aspects which I need to practise and learn better. I'm thinking I could do it in about 1 hour 30m to 1 hour 45m (compared to the 18-20m for the category I know). I learned the shorter speed route much easier even though I can still improve but the amount of things I need to do and where to go is overwhelming me now in the longer run. Which leads me to my questions: How do some of you learn games/routes for a run similar in length (or longer)? Would it be best to focus on doing multiple runs in a day or would doing one or two every day and trying to improve upon yesterday be a better option? If I find myself struggling with a specific area is it best to practise that part specifically multiple times? (Even though that's somewhat difficult to set up in this game due to needing items I bring along from other parts.) Or should I try to do full runs as much as possible and just complete them to get a finish time? This is the first game I'm seriously trying to speedrun so that's why I'm struggling a little now I'm doing a more advanced category and have dumb questions. EDIT: I submitted a run and it got accepted! I'm officially a speedrunner now with my first game and 7th on the leaderboard  https://www.speedrun.com/ddda/full_game This makes me far happier than I should be reacting probably but it's fantastic to see! RoboJoe fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Aug 6, 2018 |
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I think category length isn’t necessarily something that changes how you practice, but with like 18 hours difference between the categories it’s obviously a lot more feasible to focus on tighter optimization of whatever gets you past things faster (RPG so I assume menuing, grinding, routing etc), instead of just a general “follow a route as fast and exactly as I can for 18 hours”. Figure out what you aren’t totally comfortable with, and (IMO) just keep doing it til you understand the way it should go, and how you can fix small things you mess up. If it’s possible to practice on an emulator, save-states make it a thousand times less of a pain in the rear end. Do runs whenever you feel like it tbh, you’re guaranteed to get better times the more you practice. If you like constantly seeing an improved PB, try bustin out at least a few runs a day. The better you get the easier it is to see where you need to practice, and that turns into whatever sort of speed-cycle you’re comfortable with. Practice for a month straight with no runs, do a week of no-reset runs; the speed-world is your oyster pal
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heeheex2 posted:I think category length isn’t necessarily something that changes how you practice, but with like 18 hours difference between the categories it’s obviously a lot more feasible to focus on tighter optimization of whatever gets you past things faster (RPG so I assume menuing, grinding, routing etc), instead of just a general “follow a route as fast and exactly as I can for 18 hours”. Figure out what you aren’t totally comfortable with, and (IMO) just keep doing it til you understand the way it should go, and how you can fix small things you mess up. If it’s possible to practice on an emulator, save-states make it a thousand times less of a pain in the rear end. Sorry, I made a typo, the category I know was 18-20 minutes (at least that's my usual time, the WR is 14m or so!) compared to the 1 hour 30m or so category I'm trying to learn. However your advice still makes a lot of sense to me, I like the idea of sometimes just practising areas and other times not resetting no matter what. I just don't want to get burned out on playing the game constantly which is a worry, usually that happens as I mainly play games casually and play one a lot then just suddenly drop it. SO I'm trying to work out a way to keep improving my PB and keep playing the game. I actually just loaded up a game I had backed up that's in the end game area I had some struggles on my last attempt, just so I could practise a series of drops to rooms because I still find the area quite confusing. I think if I make sure to check out that area before I start a run just to refresh myself on it that will help for near the end of the proper attempt until I don't need to reference any notes or even check it out before I do an attempt. There are a couple of other areas (particularly early in the run, it's basically an annoying escort quest) that I'm not too sure how I could optimise though, I think I need to watch some videos of other peoples runs to see if that will help me get better ideas to improve. Thank you!
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 okay yea that's a big difference. Definitely watch other runs! Even if you aren't copying it exactly, seeing someone else's movement is always helpful I think.
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going through a fuckin rollercoaster of speedrunning emotions i got a PB last night, which should be great but after dwelling on it for a hot minute i wasn't really satisfied with a few glaring mistakes i made. on top of that, i logged into twitch this morning and in searching for streams of bloodstained i learned another runner just this morning beat my PB time which will knock me down to 3rd place on one hand, 3rd place is still super respectable! and i'm never gonna speedrun one game forever, so given enough time my time is going to be beaten by lots of people probably on the other hand... man gently caress i really just know i can do better... but also i know that if i decide to chase this time, the more i push this time the more and more reliant its going to come down to RNG i have no control over and that sounds like the pits. currently i think i'm gonna try a bit more. really don't wanna fatigue myself though. if i don't feel like it's coming together then i should get ready to jump ship to another category. there's so many less frustrating ways i can spend my time than trying to get the perfect run
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Kaubocks posted:going through a fuckin rollercoaster of speedrunning emotions not that I don't empathise, but welcome. try not to pickle your brain in the feeling for too long
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Kaubocks posted:going through a fuckin rollercoaster of speedrunning emotions Ok now speedrun half-minute hero
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from the top 8 of the LTTP Randomizer tournament going on, this one is extremely good and hilarious/stupid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RaPBfG5VCY&hd=1 *in M. Night Shyamalan voice* What a TWEEST!
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Can this weather please go the gently caress away I'd like a nice night's sleep thanks. edit I am big dumb and posted in the wrong thread, the poster below is right it is always speedrunning weather and I apologize. trashy owl fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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0x909090cc posted:Can this weather please go the gently caress away I'd like a nice night's sleep thanks. It's always speedrunning weather
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RE: Long RPG runs: 1) If there are notes, use them. Make a copy, and add your own notes for gotchas, things you didn't quite understand, and backups if necessary. Figure out what you can memorize and what you still absolutely need the notes for, and work up to a cliff's notes version of them. In the long form notes in particular, take down notes for reasons why things are done a certain way, especially if you don't understand right away. Especially when learning a new run this is a good way to get your brain into the mindset of doing things that aren't intuitively what you would have done in a normal playthrough. 2) Practice saves and/or savestates. Make as many as you need to, especially before sections of detailed menuing or other sections of difficult execution. Even if you don't have time for a full run you can fire up a save and plow through a small section to get better at it. You may even want to make multiple saves at the same point, with different starting conditions, if backup strats are required. 3) Watch tape. Even if you don't stream your practice runs, fire up OBS anyway and make a local recording. Start with a clean copy of notes and add comments to them while you watch the video, especially for sections that cause difficulty. But not just those, also mark down anything you seem to have down solid. For runs longer than about 2 hours also make sure you know when you can take your bathroom breaks and TAKE THEM even if you don't need to go, especially if it's going to be a couple hours before the next break. At least get up and stretch and walk around for a bit. For really long runs (8+ hours) have a food plan as well, prepare something in advance that you can toss in the microwave or eat cold. For learning really long runs, don't feel obligated to do them in one session, especially since your first few are probably going to take a couple hours longer than the WR. You'll get it down to single-session time eventually but practice doesn't help you if you completely obliterate your sleep schedule after one practice.
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Roflex posted:RE: Long RPG runs: Thank you, that's very useful information for me! Especially regarding point two there, I have loaded up a save multiple times just to practise the endgame area and make sure I go to the correct parts to get through as efficiently as possible. I've been watching part of the world record run too to try to give me betters ideas of how to get some routes faster like when I'm travelling through a mountain area or wherever. I realise the run I'm doing isn't really as long as other RPG runs (and it's more an action RPG) but still, I was struggling trying to get into it and learn things to get my times down, plus I still find it hard to just sit down and solidly concentrate on it for even 1 and a half hours. I've been getting better at the run, but I'm still struggling to remember certain things like "at this time I go back to the main city and buy 18 health restores and 110 stamina restores" because I can't get the numbers or exactly what I need at that point into my memory. I'm still quite reliant on the notes I use for that sort of thing and trying to stop using them is difficult for me. On a positive note, things are going well with my runs, I'm now on the leaderboard for two categories  It felt super good to get the time, especially on any%, I can't even imagine how great it'd feel to break into the top 3 or even get a world record on a game (not that I think I would) but it's pretty great to see my name up as there officially as a speedrunner. I guess that sounds stupid though.7th place for Speedrun mode (NG+)! https://www.speedrun.com/ddda/full_game#Speedrun_Mode_NG%2B 5th place for new game any%! https://www.speedrun.com/ddda/full_game#Any I think I should be 4th place though, I guess I entered my times the wrong way around when submitting it and I don't know how to get that fixed :/ However I didn't think I'd do much better than this which is why I submitted a few days ago, but today I got a new PB of 1h 25m 53s which is so close to taking third place (1h25m51s) in this category which I think I might be able to do, I just save 3 seconds somewhere on a good run! I won't submit a new run to the leaderboards until I manage to do that because I don't want to spam submissions (I don't really know the protocol on when I should submit runs to be honest because I know it wastes peoples time if I do that).
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i broke a major milestone in my run -- sub-20 minutes IGT  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ypN2ljocjA second person to get sub-20 for this category. first person NA. kinda meaningless things to say but it's wild to think about. puts me 6 seconds behind WR, which i'm going to take home and call it done for this category. my final stage was a disaster with at least 6 seconds worth of mistakes, but the final boss gave me optimal RNG which saved about 5-7 seconds... not looking to grind for the perfect run where both skill and luck meet each other when the only major RNG is "literally the final boss" lol. maybe i'll come back to it if the route changes in any meaningful way. there's another runner grinding for sub-20 so he'll probably beat me when he does, but fuckin whatever i don't care, i can still easily say i rank among the best players for this game and that's crazy. video games are awesome. also congrats RoboJoe! getting on the board feels great! if you think you can get top 3 then go for it! you'll never think it's possible but you're going to surprise yourself with what you're capable of if you keep at it.
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That's great Kaubocks! Being first to sub-20 in the NA is still something to be proud of. I did another run of DD:DA yesterday and beat my PB again, which I never expected, I was a full minute faster than before which would put me in third place for this category! I'm going to submit this run today and hope everything is okay. I'm still struggling to remember some details without my notes though. I did question on the forum about how my previous run times were reversed and also how much I'm allowed to submit runs and the mod there just said submit whenever I feel like it, so I'm glad I don't feel like I'm wasting his time. I had another thought in that topic too and I wondered if this category is time on real time, or on ingame time like the other category I run. I thought it was real time but I was told this one is IGT too, so I checked my IGT for the run again and it's 1:17:00. That would put me in second place  I didn't expect that at all, especially as my real time is 3 minute slower than the run in second (but 1 min faster IGT). Playing on PS4 adds a lot of extra time it seems so that's just amazing for me to see.I never expected to break into the top three for this category, or well, any category on any game, so I am super happy about this as long as the run is accepted anyway  I think I might go back to running the main category again too to see if I can improve my time there.
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The grand finals for the LTTP Randomizer Spring Tournament that finally finished a couple days ago(after well over a thousand matches between hundreds of entrants over many months) was absolutely fantastic. The second match in particular was just incredible. Linked so that nobody gets spoiled on who's in the grand finals, commentated by two of my favorite commentators Alucard2004 and WillardJBradley. Just absolutely fantastic to watch and the excitement by the commentators combined with the showmanship of the players made for a very fun run. I've saved a few other runs that were very good for those who would just like to see some good quality LTTPR runs if folks would like. As always, best watched at either 1.25 or 1.5 speed.
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And on the randomizer tournament note in the SA rando thread at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3854609&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 we started our own tournament. We have 24 entrants and finished the second round of swiss play this afternoon. Tomorrow night at 8 EDT I'll be racing against VirtuaCat! We also do weekly challenges and the general group in there is often up for pickup races so come post if you're into randomizer!
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I didn't realize there was more to Rando than just the typical LTTP one, there's apparently one with Twitch donation integration that allows you to gently caress with the players using donations(?), so donate and you can change their character sprite, add/subtract bombs/rupees/arrows, invert their controls, add ice physics on the spot, apparently even kill them instantly. So for example in this one there's Andy and Patty, and Patty gets slapped with inverted controls and ice physics in the middle of Thieve's Town. Or goes to lay a bomb in the Escape Sewers to get to 3 chests but right before they do someone removes all 10 of their bombs. It's great shenanigans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUtTRFM-ns&hd=1 edit: andy having his controls inverted right as he goes to run away from where a Wallmaster is landing, and running right into its loving embrace instead had me howling Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ySa40wKPU I set a new world record in Max Payne 3! It's more than five minutes faster than my previous world record! Said previous record is here if you'd like to watch that too because it was also fun.
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Captain Invictus posted:I didn't realize there was more to Rando than just the typical LTTP one, there's apparently one with Twitch donation integration that allows you to gently caress with the players using donations(?), so donate and you can change their character sprite, add/subtract bombs/rupees/arrows, invert their controls, add ice physics on the spot, apparently even kill them instantly. So for example in this one there's Andy and Patty, and Patty gets slapped with inverted controls and ice physics in the middle of Thieve's Town. Or goes to lay a bomb in the Escape Sewers to get to 3 chests but right before they do someone removes all 10 of their bombs. It's great shenanigans. I sniped PinkKittyRose on one of these right before she got to the Aga2 room at Ganon's Tower. Best money spent.
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How much do the various abilities cost? I'm assuming outright killing them is the most expensive. Also it's hilarious how it always seems to wind up with everyone rooting against Andy in randomizer in every single instance. He's been killed by crowdfunding at least a dozen times, his flute never stayed activated more than ten seconds after he activated it, and his bombs were perpetually at 0 for the first hour minimum. Meanwhile patty has made it two hours in basically unmolested. Probably because Andy is basically the best Rando speedrunner, but still. Edit: ARISE CHICKEN Edit: HAHAHAHAHA THAT SEED WAS MONSTROUS, GODDAMN Andy just being murdered half a dozen times in the span of two minutes in an attempt to slow his inexorable progress and his attempts to replenish his arrows being immediately met by multiple complete empties of his inventory, perfect Really just a super fun concept, being able to gently caress with the runners. Though demonizing Andy the whole time and then trying to get the chat to not do so for the finale of course backfired spectacularly  A sidenote, I would love to subscribe to Speedgaming, but they upload like 200 videos a day and it completely floods my subscriptions. Is there a way to filter only specific things, like the Four Jobs Fiesta stuff, Megaman 2 races, etc without muting all of Speedgaming's channel from my subs? Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Captain Invictus posted:How much do the various abilities cost? I'm assuming outright killing them is the most expensive. This sounds hilarious, is there a link? (or is this the same video you linked above?)
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Yep, same video. The two players are extremely good at the game so it makes loving with them even more entertaining because they do somehow manage to pull through despite the constant theft of their items, downgrading of their equipment, outright murdering them, etc The character sprite change war between having Andy as his trademark Pug sprite and a blue chicken lasts throughout the entire run and is great. I love the attempts to fight back against the chat. Filling bottles with fairies to counteract the instant kill command, the chat then filling all their empty bottles with bees so they can't catch any fairies. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Golbez posted:is there a link? Sometimes, but only when they don't use a custom sprite
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Got a question for people that know their stuff behind the scenes: I've found all the relevant timers necessary to make a basic IGT timer for Max Payne 3 (total ingame time, individual chapter time, and final time). Is there a good resource out there for learning how to make a Livesplit auto-timer? My google-fu is very weak on this one.
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The official documentation is here: https://github.com/LiveSplit/LiveSplit/blob/master/Documentation/Auto-Splitters.md In particular, the first step is here quote:Testing your Script and then you can look at examples of scripts here: https://fatalis.pw/livesplit/asl-list/ You're going to need DebugView if you want to be able to see the output of print statements in your script to help you debug it. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview if you need help with using cheatengine to find pointers (I think you're saying you've got it already, but just to be certain), here is a short overview of what you're trying to do: https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/789bu4/how_does_one_go_about_creating_a_load_remover/dosvdb9/ Once you're done, the official documentation also tells you how to add the completed script to livesplit so that everyone can use it.
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Oops, I meant to say 'pointers' instead of 'timers'. Yeah, I've got them all, offsets included. Thank you for the resources! I'll check them out.
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I did something I never thought I'd do: I took 1st place to get a World Record in something! I thought because I was playing Dragon's Dogma so much in the two main categories I thought I'd try for another category there so I did a run and ended up going fast enough to get 1st place . It's not too impressive considering only 4 other people have done this category I suppose, but I never thought I'd be able to get 1st anywhere when I started speedrunning a month or two ago, so I'm very happy. This was the category:https://www.speedrun.com/ddda/full_game#Dragonslayer Also, I took second place in new game any% too (which is the main category I do) with the last run I submitted so that's fantastic! I didn't think I'd get 2nd but I found out it's timed on IGT rather than real time so that put me there. https://www.speedrun.com/ddda/full_game#Any I'm going to start running the Speedrun (New game+) category again to try to improve my time there too now! Maybe people here aren't too interested as not many people run this game but I was inspired by some of the posters here (especially Punchy) and all the events and I finally found a game I enjoyed enough to speedrun rather than dropping it when I was done. Plus all the help and advice I received from the thread is fantastic so I thought I'd let you all know how it's going for me. Maybe I'll try learning other games too!
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For those who just like to watch, somewes has been on a tear recently with SMB1. He already has WR, but he's getting stupidly consistent at the tricks that were previously thought impossible for humans. He'll probably have 4:55 in the next few days, which will include all of the frame rule saves currently known (all of the flagpole glitches that save a framerule, fast 1-2, fast 4-2, bullet bill glitch). Then it's a matter of saving a few more frames by having a perfect 8-4, and we'll have reached the limit unless new tricks are discovered. He's got a surprisingly low number of followers on twitch and youtube for being the current top player for probably the most famous game in history, but I guess he doesn't stream at regular hours, or people just aren't into watching SMB1 over and over again. Anyway, it's worth checking out if you see him streaming on twitch, or just catch the highlights that he posts to youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p7KbkmvmBU
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Inferior Third Season posted:Sad truth
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RoboJoe posted:I did something I never thought I'd do: I took 1st place to get a World Record in something! Grats! 
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SeXReX posted:For the average viewer, speedrun attempt streams are incredibly boring so its pretty common to see top ranked players who are focused entirely on their runs get basically no views while lower ranked ones who focus more on their entertainment value do better viewers wise. this, but it's also a bit of a rich get richer thing since if you're charismatic enough to pull off the whole "full time streaming" thing with speedrunning and get the lots of viewers, you also get a shitload of time to grind it out in turn and it's not really a coincidence that a lot of the people with the high ranking times in major games are the people who can do it full time.
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RoboJoe posted:I did something I never thought I'd do: I took 1st place to get a World Record in something! Grats on the wr. You trying for 1st on ng any% or planning on doing speedrun mode?
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iospace posted:Grats! Thank you! MORE TAXES WHEN posted:Grats on the wr. You trying for 1st on ng any% or planning on doing speedrun mode? For now I’m going to improve my times in speedrun mode, to see if I can break into the top 3, but getting under 16:30 or so would be challenging. My PB is 17m 11s now though so it could be possible. I don’t think I’d be able to take the WR in New game any% though, the WR time is absurdly good, and I’m not sure I’m good enough to improve my time that much. I’ll be keeping at both categories though!
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There's a local speedrunning event this weekend in Toronto if anybody's bored. https://twitter.com/NeoRussell/status/1030168535291621376
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Hobojim posted:There's a local speedrunning event this weekend in Toronto if anybody's bored. The final timeslot should say "Games Finished Adequately Finishes Adequately".
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Hobojim posted:There's a local speedrunning event this weekend in Toronto if anybody's bored. Holy poo poo, protomagicalgirl is gonna be there?? I gotta go. Thanks for the info!
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limeicebreakers posted:Holy poo poo, protomagicalgirl is gonna be there?? I gotta go. Thanks for the info! Yeah she was at the last speedrunning event put on by NeoRussell too, I'm not sure if she lives near Toronto or just likes to travel there.
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