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GonadTheBallbarian posted:is there a corpus of bullshit audio words somewhere? I'm trying to build a script to score forum posts for shits Burn-in. That's all you need.
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# ? Aug 5, 2018 15:39 |
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‘Soundstage’ when actually listening to something.
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# ? Aug 5, 2018 17:15 |
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So far:code:
bullshit = terms clearly 100% bullshit smell = terms that can be used to describe an actual thing, but often aren't. <100% bullshit performance_info = terms actually related to performance and related metrics basic_info = terms used to describe the headphones (used for stripping out nouns/stuff that's in all reviews) e. still building libraries, so this will be out of date like, immediately GonadTheBallbarian fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Aug 7, 2018 |
# ? Aug 5, 2018 18:34 |
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You forgot PRaT: Pace, Rhythm and Timing, the most hallowed of "it means just anything you can want it to mean" audiophile terms ever.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 04:00 |
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I put timing, rhythm, and pace into "smell" because while is most contexts it's bullshit in an audiophile review, it's also possible that they're actually talking about parts of a song
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 04:03 |
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I think PRaT is supposed to refer to wow, flutter and jitter, but I think has grown over time to be a catch all for a piece of hardware's "musicality".
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 04:21 |
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HiFi+ Competition link - some goon win them and report back spookygonk fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:So far: A lot of those terms in the bullshit category are legitimately meaningful, with many of them being descriptors of frequency response, even if audiophools claim ridiculous things such as warmth being subjective to justify their snake-oil DAC purchase or are dumb enough to mistake amplifier hiss for air. They're certainly more useful terms than "insightful" or "effortless", at least. "This headphone is airy and cool, not full, with a recessed presence region and tight bass, but is fatiguing." is quicker to say than "This headphone has emphasized treble above 12 kHz, a midrange response that slopes upwards up to 2 kHz, no midrange emphasis below 300 Hz, a treble dip at around 2.5 kHz, and a bass response that is neutral relative to my target frequency response curve down to about 100 Hz and not overemphasized below that. It also gives me a headache." e: Rtings has done some interesting work trying to objectively measure soundstage by testing how the headphone's output interacts with the pinna. a busted-up mailbox fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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ignoring the first part for now- yes, RTings certainly likes to mess around with their expensive head. However the "objective soundstage stuff" is philosophically challenged, as some of that has to do with the shape of your head (and can't be measured, as it's useless for anyone that deviates from the test fixture). A HATS doesn't have an angled ear canal, for example. The GRAS and Bruel & Kjaer units just have a straight hole unless you get the latest and greatest KEMAR ear released this year. as for the rest: I'm not entirely sure how you mean unquantifiable adjectives are useful, but if you were to present a non-audiophile, engineer, or non-musician none of this would make any goddamn sense unless you showed them what it meant. At least with the hard figures you can point to a chart and finding the supplemental info is easy. Hell you could even explain using songs and instruments and a chart.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 15:06 |
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spookygonk posted:HiFi+ I've entered. Let's see.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 17:59 |
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:ignoring the first part for now- I don't disagree with you on the soundstage measurements being imperfect; frequency response also varies based on ear and head shape. That's different from saying that the measurements are meaningless. I seriously doubt that most people who've tried all three headphones would conclude that the HD600 has a better soundstage than a HEX or an HD800S. As for the terms, calling them jargon is one thing, but calling them outright bullshit is overreaching. You can point to a chart for them as well, and people have. Audio engineers need to understand what frequencies correspond to what types of coloration for EQ purposes, too. a busted-up mailbox fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Aug 7, 2018 |
# ? Aug 7, 2018 21:04 |
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Load of crap. It is totally, unequivocally bullshit. Even if it uses plots to haphazardly illustrate what they're trying to say, it is not and will not ever be enough that you can state "this thing sounds sparkly" and have people understand what's being communicated. Additionally, the goalposts don't seem to be fixed or defined in what makes something "bright" vs. "airy" or whateverthefuck. For any of those terms to have meaning, language requires that they be mutually-intelligible between speakers. That first link starts off well enough, but "cuppy?" Come the gently caress on. Just because someone repuposed a word does not mean people are going to understand it. Language works by employing a shared lexicon. The audiophile lexicon does not translate to a general or non-group lexicon. The non-group will never adopt a minority definition of those words because, well, it's useless.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 22:51 |
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but I have a chart!
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:21 |
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You can see the sparkles at the corners of the waveforms
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:24 |
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Most people barely know how to describe sound at all beyond "this has lots of/no bass", so by that reasoning, effectively any attempt at describing how a headphone sounds is futile. It's an imperfect system, but unlike "insightful" or "atmospheric", it's something that people who know the terms can actually use to make informed purchase decisions. If anything, people will understand "This sounds like you're listening through a plastic cup" better than "This has a FR dip at 1 kHz". Target curves exist to judge headphones against, and the idea that people perceiving sounds differently means it's impossible for a consensus to exist regarding a headphone's sound signature is ludicrous. "Bright" is nothing but shorthand for "this has emphasized treble", and nobody with properly functioning human ears would ever think of the HD650 as being thin and bright or the HE560 as being muddy and dark.
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:49 |
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Yikes
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# ? Aug 7, 2018 23:50 |
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There's much lower-hanging fruit in hi-fi than whether audiophiles are dumb for using funny words to describe how headphones sound different. Like, there's an 81-page thread on Head-Fi of people flaming each other over whether USB cables sound any different. e: The existence of variations in how headphone models sound are an absurd liberal myth, I guess. Anyone selling a more expensive headphone than the ATH-M40x is scamming people, including Audio-Technica themselves. a busted-up mailbox fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Aug 8, 2018 |
# ? Aug 8, 2018 00:10 |
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Just because there's low-hanging fruit doesn't mean there's not normal-height fruit too.
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 00:39 |
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Or that the acceptance of an alternate vocabulary allows the more egregious poo poo by conmen when a population is trained to accept thought-terminating cliches.
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 02:18 |
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'Danceable'
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# ? Aug 8, 2018 02:46 |
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quote:Batteries use a chemical reaction to generate DC power, and each chemical reaction from each type of battery has its own audible noise signature. This is why a specific type of battery, such as LiO4, sounds better than another type, such as SLA. The noise level of a battery also changes significantly during different phases of the discharge and recharge cycle, making batteries an inconsistent-sounding power source as well. And then there's the additional expense of replacing batteries every few years. I'm sure it's been posted before, but it's worth a re-visit.
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 17:45 |
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I feel like the SMPS would be low pass filtered anyway and that their suggested linear power supply would probably have a lot more thermal noise. Maybe.
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# ? Aug 13, 2018 19:08 |
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uhhhh....quote:In the real world, we are surrounded by sounds and frequencies which extend beyond the realm of what we perceive as ‘sound’. However, there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that we ‘sense’ these high frequencies, just as we ‘feel’ sub-sonic sounds. I mean, it does something, at least.
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# ? Sep 21, 2018 03:57 |
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The Super Tweeter Phase Conundrum posted:
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# ? Sep 21, 2018 04:34 |
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I'm pretty sure every frequency of sound travels the same speed through a given medium. I'm absolutely sure Adjusting the phase of two different frequencies can't make a difference unless one is a multiple of the other (or at least they reduce to a fraction with a low denominator).
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# ? Sep 21, 2018 06:04 |
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KillHour posted:I'm pretty sure every frequency of sound travels the same speed through a given medium. I'm absolutely sure Adjusting the phase of two different frequencies can't make a difference unless one is a multiple of the other (or at least they reduce to a fraction with a low denominator). I actually Googled this because I didn't remember, and the consensus of sites seems to be that there's a very small difference in the speed of sound by frequency. It's nearly irrelevant in the audible range. With floor speakers, the tweeters are closer to ear level, so the higher frequencies absolutely will reach your ear first, but not because of the speed of sound. Some crossover designs aren't phase-coherent either. I note with amusement their lack of clarity as to what sort of curve their crossover users.
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# ? Sep 21, 2018 07:15 |
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There's also the issue of pure inertia. A paper thin 1" tweeter does not take as long to start and stop as an 8" or more woofer, so you probably get some delay there as well. Almost any decent speaker accounts for this though.
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# ? Sep 21, 2018 15:01 |
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I figured with the new mainboard of mine and that pretend-fancy onboard audio, I would maybe ditch my Soundblaster ZxR card for being useless. There's audible noise on my headphones when nothing's playing
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 12:36 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:I figured with the new mainboard of mine and that pretend-fancy onboard audio, I would maybe ditch my Soundblaster ZxR card for being useless. There's audible noise on my headphones when nothing's playing I'm still mad that support for the Santa Cruz ended with XP. That was an amazing little card when every other option (even the "good" stuff) would screech like a banshee at more than moderate levels and had all kinds of noise in the output
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:46 |
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Combat Pretzel posted:I figured with the new mainboard of mine and that pretend-fancy onboard audio, I would maybe ditch my Soundblaster ZxR card for being useless. There's audible noise on my headphones when nothing's playing I had that at work several years ago, after a while I figured out the noise was triggered by moving my [wired] mouse. Nice work, Dell.
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:20 |
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It appears to be generic white noise. Not sure what component triggers it. First system I own with water cooling, who knows what all those fans and the water pump do to the power bus. Either way, it's kind of annoying, since I keep reading left and right how good on-board audio is and how stupid soundcards are, and the moment I go with that notion...
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:16 |
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Sound blaster means nothing. If the motherboard maker doesn't isolate the sound bits or you have noisy electronics, poo poo is gonna happen. So your sound hisses? I'm sure you've checked that your volume levels are all reasonable?
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:08 |
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Yeah, volume levels are fine. It seems to pick something up. Most mainboard manufacturers boast with PCB level isolation, like split ground plane, copper shielding bits, whatever else that means. Mine has that stuff, and things are still meh. Either way, issue solved by reusing the sound card. Which I'm surprised isn't causing similar issues, because it's caked between a graphics card and a 40Gbit Ethernet card (which I'm fairly certain should create all sort of EMI).
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:59 |
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Why the hell do you have a 40Gb Ethernet card? How expensive was the QSFP GBIC for that thing? What kind of switch is it going into? Just why?
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# ? Sep 25, 2018 20:20 |
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40GBit direct connection to the NAS, and I'm using DAC cables. All from Ebay, so it was relatively cheap considering. The NAS has 32GB RAM and a 256GB SSD as second level cache, so if the caches are hot, things are pretty fast. 10GBit would probably suffice, and I had cards a long while before, but for some reason 4K QD1 IO is twice as fast on the newer card, despite being nowhere in the ballpark of 10 or 40GBit.
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 14:42 |
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I'm going to go ahead and assume you did that for funsies, similar to how I used to run separate servers for DNS, DHCP, Fileserver, and Router back in the mid-2000's for my home network, and not that you think you actually need any of that crap.
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 16:33 |
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Yeah kinda. I kinda wanted NVMe-ish speeds to hot data on the NAS, and this was a part to enabling it, thanks to Ebay anyway, but it's kinda unnecessary. As far as not needing it for the performance side, I have plenty of apps and games installed on the NAS instead of locally.
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 17:23 |
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But if you're directly connected to the NAS, how is that an improvement over DAS with the same drives?
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 17:43 |
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qirex posted:I had that at work several years ago, after a while I figured out the noise was triggered by moving my [wired] mouse. Nice work, Dell. I'm 100% in support of having a separate DAC for desktops. I mean why not isolate the audio from all the things that gently caress up audio signals? Especially when you can get one that provides you a convenient place to plug your headphones in and has a nice feeling knob to control the volume? I don't understand people who scoff at spending any amount of money on a dac/headphone amp. Yes, the on-board audio is perfectly capable of handling umpteen bajillion bitrates beyond whatever we can even hear. Yes, it's just 1's and 0's and there is no magical voodoo going on. But having a nice looking piece of hardware with knobs within inches of my mouse hand driving my headphones or taking my mic input is a nice luxury. On the flip side of that coin, don't pretend that your fancy DAC is doing anything other than providing convenience and isolating your audio signals. It's not.
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 17:50 |
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There's a huge gap between a $99 Micca G2 and "check out my sweet Schiit stack featuring tubes and the world's noisiest DAC."
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# ? Sep 26, 2018 18:38 |