MLB N/V August: Wilmers Flores

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bewbies: Sep 23, 2003; Fun Shoe

Every smart GM should trade a month of (star player) as a rookie for a year of (star player) in his prime. If you don't do this, you are stupid. The issue is with the rules.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 15:30

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# ? May 3, 2024 09:18

iospace: Jan 19, 2038

So, remember the trash can dude?

https://twitter.com/FMRedHawks/status/1027008215526109184

Same teams :lol:

for those unable to watch, a "bad" call at third leads to the chicago manager melting down and trying to give away 3rd base like a foul ball. The actual base.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 15:36

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

So the way the rule works is as long as a rookie has 171 days or less of service in the first year it does not count to the 6 year countdown to FA?

# ? Aug 9, 2018 15:37

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

iospace posted:

So, remember the trash can dude?

https://twitter.com/FMRedHawks/status/1027008215526109184

Same teams

for those unable to watch, a "bad" call at third leads to the chicago manager melting down and trying to give away 3rd base like a foul ball. The actual base.

the McClendon special, nice

# ? Aug 9, 2018 15:41

Bird in a Blender: Nov 17, 2005; It's amazing what they can do with computers these days.

iospace posted:

So, remember the trash can dude?

https://twitter.com/FMRedHawks/status/1027008215526109184

Same teams

for those unable to watch, a "bad" call at third leads to the chicago manager melting down and trying to give away 3rd base like a foul ball. The actual base.

I gotta get to a Chicago Dogs game.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:02

Pancakes: May 21, 2001; Crypto-Rump Roast

Speaking of service time fuckery, call up Eloy you shits.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:02

KICK BAMA KICK: Mar 2, 2009

Joey Freshwater posted:

Ah gently caress today's Braves game is on Facebook Live.

gently caress Facebook Live

Was last night's both ESPN and FSSE? Set it to tape on ESPN and when I got home was surprised to see the replay on FSSE.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:16

bawfuls: Oct 28, 2009

Pancakes posted:

I don�t think the Cardinals have, but I feel like service time fuckery is usually for position players.

The Dodgers have sent Walker Buehler down to AAA a couple times this year to make room in the rotation, even while he was clearly one of the better starters on the team.

euphronius posted:

So the way the rule works is as long as a rookie has 171 days or less of service in the first year it does not count to the 6 year countdown to FA?

Not exactly. Players need a full 6 years of service time to be eligible for free agency. So if they only get say 120 days of service their rookie year, then after their 6th year they�ll have 5.120 or something like that and not yet be eligible for FA.

bawfuls fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Aug 9, 2018

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:33

Kirios: Jan 26, 2010

I find it amusing that pitchers are consistently leaving the Pirates and immediately looking better. Glasnow looks as dominant as he did in the minor leagues.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:41

Inspector_666: Oct 7, 2003; _{benny with the good hair}

Kirios posted:

I find it amusing that pitchers are consistently leaving the Pirates and immediately looking better. Glasnow looks as dominant as he did in the minor leagues.

I'm old enough to remember when the Pirates were the pitcher-whisperers and they'd always fix what ails ya.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:44

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Kirios posted:

I find it amusing that pitchers are consistently leaving the Pirates and immediately looking better. Glasnow looks as dominant as he did in the minor leagues.

Taillon saw what happened with cole and started throwing his slider more and has been mowing guys down as a consequence.

Glasnow on the other hand...he couldn't loving throw strikes. It wasn't a pitch mix thing. But now he's magically throwing strikes and capitalizing on his unhittable stuff. We'll see though, I wouldn't be shocked to see his command veer off again.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:45

Joey Freshwater: Jun 20, 2004; Always playing with my meat; Grimey Drawer

KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Was last night's both ESPN and FSSE? Set it to tape on ESPN and when I got home was surprised to see the replay on FSSE.

Actually not sure, I know for sure it was on FSSE because that's the feed MLB.tv gave me. I don't remember there being an ESPN option as well

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:50

Kirios: Jan 26, 2010

GalacticAcid posted:

Taillon saw what happened with cole and started throwing his slider more and has been mowing guys down as a consequence.

Glasnow on the other hand...he couldn't loving throw strikes. It wasn't a pitch mix thing. But now he's magically throwing strikes and capitalizing on his unhittable stuff. We'll see though, I wouldn't be shocked to see his command veer off again.

I cannot believe Cole didn't have a single season over a 9 K/9 season with the Pirates. He is second in baseball with the Astros and it looks completely sustainable.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:58

vincentpricesboner: Sep 3, 2006; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Inspector_666 posted:

I'm old enough to remember when the Pirates were the pitcher-whisperers and they'd always fix what ails ya.

That wasn't that long ago. Wasnt it the case for AJ Burnett, JA Happ, Fransico Liriano ?

# ? Aug 9, 2018 16:59

Kirios: Jan 26, 2010

Honestly the Astros feel like that team right now.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:00

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

zapplez posted:

That wasn't that long ago. Wasnt it the case for AJ Burnett, JA Happ, Fransico Liriano ?

Yep. Then the league adjusted and started swinging for the fences every pitch so the �pitch to contact� emphasis on extremely heavy sinker and two-seam usage stopped working. Then Cole and Morton went to Houston and started throwing heat with junk and striking fellas out.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:07

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Apologies for the double post but Sawchik is leaving FanGraphs to become 538's national baseball correspondent.

I don't think I've visited 538 in like...two years?

# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:23

IcePhoenix: Sep 18, 2005; Take me to your Shida

https://twitter.com/MorrieSilver8/status/1027573652278177792

# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:24

Inspector_666: Oct 7, 2003; _{benny with the good hair}

IcePhoenix posted:

https://twitter.com/MorrieSilver8/status/1027573652278177792

Willians Astudillo should be the most famous baseball player in America.

Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Aug 9, 2018

# ? Aug 9, 2018 17:25

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

N: It is believed Adrian Beltre would approve a trade to the Cubs

V: I don't even care that he's actually not that good this year, get this wonderful man, Theo.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:13

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

If the Cubs would have serious interest in Beltre, that doesn't bode well for Bryant's shoulder.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:24

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

2015, on the Pirates

2018, on the Astros

Pirates still have the highest FB % in the league in 2018, 63.7%. Could ruin a pitcher like Chris Archer honestly if they foist that on him. (Astros are 23rd highest at 51.2%.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:32

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

It�s nice Morton found 4 mph somewhere.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:33

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

euphronius posted:

It�s nice Morton found 4 mph somewhere.

*extreme Trevor Bauer voice* "Well you know, when you systematically cheat the system by using pine tar..."

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:34

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

euphronius posted:

It�s nice Morton found 4 mph somewhere.

Pretty sure fangraphs groups sinkers in with fastballs, so that 4 mph is a consequence of de-emphasizing the sinker in favor of the 4-seam.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:35

Inspector_666: Oct 7, 2003; _{benny with the good hair}

GalacticAcid posted:

Pretty sure fangraphs groups sinkers in with fastballs, so that 4 mph is a consequence of de-emphasizing the sinker in favor of the 4-seam.

I was about to say this. The Pirates continued insistence that everybody only ever throw sinkers is the most absurd part of this whole thing.

(I wanted the Yankees to make a run at Kuhl, I think he could be the next unheralded guy to blow up in a good way away from PNC.)

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:37

GalacticAcid: Apr 8, 2013; NEW YORK VALUES

Inspector_666 posted:

I was about to say this. The Pirates continued insistence that everybody only ever throw sinkers is the most absurd part of this whole thing.

(I wanted the Yankees to make a run at Kuhl, I think he could be the next unheralded guy to blow up in a good way away from PNC.)

He was actually been moving towards throwing more breaking stuff before he got hurt, Rumbunter documented it here --> A Different Pitch Selection Has Led To Success For Chad Kuhl.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:45

the popes toes: Oct 10, 2004

IcePhoenix posted:

https://twitter.com/MorrieSilver8/status/1027573652278177792

I thought the pitcher couldn't be on the mound during the tag for the deception to be legal? Somehow I remember that from somewhere but I could be wrong

# ? Aug 9, 2018 18:57

elentar: Aug 26, 2002; Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.

Chipper Jones had yet another kid and named him Cooper, dude is nothing if not thematic.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 19:02

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

elentar posted:

This is known as Joe Morgan Syndrome

I'll always hate Joe Morgan for the time he trashed Ernie Banks on Sunday Night Baseball.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 19:02

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

the popes toes posted:

I thought the pitcher couldn't be on the mound during the tag for the deception to be legal? Somehow I remember that from somewhere but I could be wrong

On the mound, yes, on the rubber, no. Hence why he's taking as long as possible cleaning his spikes, using the rosin bag etc.

# ? Aug 9, 2018 19:10