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Wiffle posted:Only 135% subbed. They were really careful with the subclass charges this time. Still a pretty good deal, given that you spent that turn blocking an attack. There’s worse utility you could get out ofna subclass.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Oh, right, those are charges now. Not exactly something you can just fire off all the time, though. How practical do those look this time, anyway? I was planning on a Zodiac somewhere in there, and they seem like a nice way to deal with poo poo like dragons in my protector-less party.
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I finally got subclassing unlocked and operation "Farmers with guns" with Reprisal Command is working as advertised. Unfortunately I had to remove the Imperial because Drive blades still prevent you from equipping subweapons. It's hilariously effective when it works—my basic strategy for random battles is now "everyone defends except the shogun while all the enemies kill themselves on the wall of guns"—but as a side effect of equipping subweapons my team is now horrifically squishy and sometimes the shogun dies just because she's the only one not defending. Unfortunately the subweapon's attack value actually matters and I can't just use guns with vit bonuses. This would probably work way better if I had a protector, but eh, screw protectors. I hate that class: it's so boring and kind of screws over the game balance.
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So you might've noticed that composite damage attacks seem a bit weaker now. Well that's because they actually overhauled how important weaknesses are. Striking a weakness actually gives you a very significant damage boost now. Namely, a majority of the enemies that have a damage weakness actually have a 150% multiplier at the minimum instead of 125%. (Only 3 enemies in the entire game have their weakness multiplier that low.) So striking a weakness will boost the damage of composite attacks way more than their purely physical counterparts. And if they don't have a weakness, you're better off using the purely physical version of the skill instead. Also for that matter, damage resistances are pretty much actual resistances now. The multiplier is set at 50% at the maximum when an enemy resists something. (No enemy has a 75% damage resistance multiplier in EOX.) So it's important to get around them if you can. In short, there's actually a reason to use skills like Assault Drive and Charged Shot now, where there was pretty much very little reason to ever use them in the previous games. And yes, they did change how Poison works. The poison damage formula, courtesy of Ragnar Homsar: Poison damage formula posted:[[(Poison Factor + (Level * 0.1667) + RNG Factor 1) * (1 + (Level * 0.04))] * Difficulty Factor] + RNG Factor 2 RNG Factors are some single digit numbers apparently. So probably some random number from 0 to 9? Difficulty Factor is 1 on Expert (And possibly Heroic as well) and 1.2 on Basic. No idea about Picnic, though. In short, the damage scales much more with levels than in the previous titles, though the maximum damage is along the lines of some of the better Poison skills in 5. Damage formula is exactly the same as 5's (This thing, if you want a refresher.) so upgrading both weapons and armor is still important! They're also still using the additive buff system from EO5, for the most part. Here's a list of which buffs and passives that boost damage are additive, and which are multiplicative. quote:Passives: No idea on the rest of the formulae yet, though. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Subweapons are gonna be a lot more interesting this time, I think. In EO4 there was little reason not to use a subweapon if you could, but here seems like there's a notable opportunity cost if you want to enable subclass skills or use the weapon skills themselves.
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Clarste posted:I finally got subclassing unlocked and operation "Farmers with guns" with Reprisal Command is working as advertised. Unfortunately I had to remove the Imperial because Drive blades still prevent you from equipping subweapons. It's hilariously effective when it works—my basic strategy for random battles is now "everyone defends except the shogun while all the enemies kill themselves on the wall of guns"—but as a side effect of equipping subweapons my team is now horrifically squishy and sometimes the shogun dies just because she's the only one not defending. Unfortunately the subweapon's attack value actually matters and I can't just use guns with vit bonuses. Around what level are your characters when subclassing unlocks? Like mid 30s same as past games?
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Clarste posted:I finally got subclassing unlocked and operation "Farmers with guns" with Reprisal Command is working as advertised. Unfortunately I had to remove the Imperial because Drive blades still prevent you from equipping subweapons. It's hilariously effective when it works—my basic strategy for random battles is now "everyone defends except the shogun while all the enemies kill themselves on the wall of guns"—but as a side effect of equipping subweapons my team is now horrifically squishy and sometimes the shogun dies just because she's the only one not defending. Unfortunately the subweapon's attack value actually matters and I can't just use guns with vit bonuses. Does Reprisal command activate once per hit taken or once per enemy action? This is a strategy I was interested in so I'd like to know. (ex. would a row wide attack activate 2-3 counters instead of just 1)
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I know PQ2 is gonna suck but honestly I don't really care: I'm just glad to see FeMC alive again.
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Item Getter posted:Around what level are your characters when subclassing unlocks? Like mid 30s same as past games? I was around level 50 when I unlocked it. It’s a much longer game than usual. I’ll also note that they didn’t give me any free level boost items like they have been in EO4 and EO5. Wiffle posted:Does Reprisal command activate once per hit taken or once per enemy action? This is a strategy I was interested in so I'd like to know. (ex. would a row wide attack activate 2-3 counters instead of just 1) It only activates once per enemy action, regardless of how many people it hits or how many times it hits. It still goes off even if the shogun who used it is dead or disabled, but one of the targets needs to actually survive the attack, ie: you can’t counterattack a hit that kills someone.
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Clarste posted:I was around level 50 when I unlocked it. It’s a much longer game than usual. I’ll also note that they didn’t give me any free level boost items like they have been in EO4 and EO5. Guess shield flare is the only counter to work on multihits then. Guess you can't use it as a boss destroyer but still a fun concept to build around.
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Dr. Fetus posted:So you might've noticed that composite damage attacks seem a bit weaker now. Well that's because they actually overhauled how important weaknesses are. Striking a weakness actually gives you a very significant damage boost now. Namely, a majority of the enemies that have a damage weakness actually have a 150% multiplier at the minimum instead of 125%. (Only 3 enemies in the entire game have their weakness multiplier that low.) So striking a weakness will boost the damage of composite attacks way more than their purely physical counterparts. And if they don't have a weakness, you're better off using the purely physical version of the skill instead. 1) Do purely elemental attacks work similar to purely physical attacks, in having higher base values? 2) What's the bonus damage for Singularity this time?
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Reprisal Command has amusing interactions with Charge skills.
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Okay so, now that the game has been out for a while, some things have been discovered. I'm making this post (with approval from Ragnar Homsar who discovered this) to nip some false rumors that may potentially spread here, right in the bud. So anyways, when the game released, Ragnar Homsar did some data mining. One of the very first things that was discovered were these two portraits.   These are player character portraits by the way. In fact, they even have transparent versions so players can color them in. Before you get excited, (or get mad about spoilers) let me just say immediately and with great sadness that these are completely unusable and everything that follows is completely scrapped content. So these portraits belong to a class called the "Vampire." As for what this class can do... we don't much about them. It appears that they were scrapped early on. They have Force skills and one other thing, but that's it. No skill tree or anything, or a skill list. As for what was working gameplay wise? They had an innate class ability (Like the Yggdroid's natural bind immunity, which would have made it the very first class since EO3 to have an innate attribute.) If you travel with them during the day, they lose HP after every turn in battle. However at night, they would have been healed instead. quote:Force Boost: Immortal Flesh: User cannot die from damage. Only instant death can kill them. It seems like they were a defensive support of some kind. But now we'll never know. Now if you're thinking that these can just be added in as DLC? Unfortunately, the chances of that happening are slim to none. To put things simply, when a 3DS game gets DLC, the amount it can have has to be determined beforehand. 3DS DLC is added to Nintendo's servers as having a certain number of content packs. The data stored within them can be changed, but the amount can't. Some games put in extra dummy pieces of DLC as a result to get around that limitation, just in case. But EOX does not do this. And for that matter, these are not unlocks. Parts of the Japanese community has beaten the game at this point (and they are aware of these portraits) and have reported that no matter what they did, they didn't unlock any trace of these people or their portraits. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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Aug 12, 2018 12:07
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whats with japan and their obsessions with vampires as a class in rpgs
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That innate attribute would've been annoying anyway so good riddance
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On the other hand I'm a bit disappointed you can't use literally Alucard.
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I would have loved this, and also would have loved someone getting through the game with a party of five of these.
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Now clearly we just need to hack the portraits in with save modifiers.
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I want to play a Vampire.  Are the full-sized portraits available? Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Aug 12, 2018 |
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Welp, I just found out that this isn't actually unused content. It's in fact, an extremely obscure Easter Egg  (Himukai tweeted that the community finally found them when these were discovered.) Apologies for the unintentional spoilers.That said the unlock method is extremely obscure (We're talking King Grimoire level of obscure here), and it doesn't seem to have been figured out yet, and part of it appeared to have been done through hacking. Heck, I'm not sure if these portraits are even usable. The skills most definitely are, though. There's an accessory a class can equip. Gives +100 HP, and a 10% boost to all stats. It also replaces their Force Boost and Break with what I just mentioned, and gives the aforementioned innate passive to them. The portrait of the class that equips this is also forced to have red eyes while wearing it.
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I guess the real question is whether the inevitable EOX LP will have someone turn into a vampire midway through.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I guess the real question is whether the inevitable EOX LP will have someone turn into a vampire midway through. Why that far in? 
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Dr. Fetus posted:There's an accessory a class can equip. Gives +100 HP, and a 10% boost to all stats. It also replaces their Force Boost and Break with what I just mentioned, and gives the aforementioned innate passive to them. The portrait of the class that equips this is also forced to have red eyes while wearing it. That's a very very good one for Shogun, then, since Warrior Might can't kill you (and neither can the enemies for that matter) while the Boost is up. Or alternatively on a Protector using Line Divide, it's like a discount True Endurance, but which can last 3 turns.
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 Nothing to see here, just OHKOing FOEs at my level. Clarste fucked around with this message at 04:09 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Can you get 5 vampire bracelets without NG+? Could lead to some silly party compositions.
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Wow. I was regretting playing Untold on Story Mode, but the ending sequence—the M.I.K.E. fight especially—really blew me away. Still not really worth it, though; being forced to go to boring ol' Gladsheim and fight a nasty boss when I wanted to explore the cool new stratum sucked every single time.
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Elephant Parade posted:Wow. I was regretting playing Untold on Story Mode, but the ending sequence—the M.I.K.E. fight especially—really blew me away. Still not really worth it, though; being forced to go to boring ol' Gladsheim and fight a nasty boss when I wanted to explore the cool new stratum sucked every single time. If you hadn't gone to Gladsheim, you'd be underleveled for the new stratum every time.
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BrightWing posted:What class is Flair? Arcanist. The person actually doing the hit is a Landsknecht though. Clarste fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Strange Quark posted:If you hadn't gone to Gladsheim, you'd be underleveled for the new stratum every time.  move, EOU feels like it's designed more around Story Mode than Classic. Between the bestiary including Story-exclusive enemies in both modes and the new classes being unavailable in Classic outside of NG+ (how many people are going to play through any Etrian Odyssey game—let alone a remake—twice?), it's clear someone on the design team was cutting corners.postgame report: random encounters keep owning me and it really sucks 
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Elephant Parade posted:(how many people are going to play through any Etrian Odyssey game—let alone a remake—twice?)
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I've played through each EO game at least twice. Though I only played through the Untolds twice cause of Story and Classic, otherwise I probably wouldn't have bothered with two Classic.
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100% chance it gets localised, it's just a matter of when we get it. EO5 took a year or so but Atlus was also localising Persona 5 at the same time and they aren't that big a company. I'd expect it to take 6 to 9 months, but then again there's also PQ2 coming out so...
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Elephant Parade posted:I would say I'm disappointed in the devs, but I'm not really surprised: in an incredibly You can tell the devs realized how dissatisfied players were with how EOU handled it, because EO2U improves on this a lot. The only missable gameplay content in 2U's Classic Mode is the Fafnir Knight class; the game just comes up with different excuses for you to go through the new areas and fight the new bosses.
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Thuryl posted:You can tell the devs realized how dissatisfied players were with how EOU handled it, because EO2U improves on this a lot. The only missable gameplay content in 2U's Classic Mode is the Fafnir Knight class; the game just comes up with different excuses for you to go through the new areas and fight the new bosses.
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Elephant Parade posted:[...] unless Story is somehow the goon-recommended mode [...] Ha ha ha no.
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