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BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



You dirty minded goons, it's for the increasing number of incontinent boomers :rolleyes:

I hope.

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Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


BloodBag posted:

You dirty minded goons, it's for the increasing number of incontinent boomers :rolleyes:

I hope.

They're certainly full of poo poo

:haw:

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

BloodBag posted:

You dirty minded goons, it's for the increasing number of incontinent boomers :rolleyes:

I hope.

You didn't read the link did you?

BloodBag
Sep 20, 2008

WITNESS ME!



Ofecks posted:

You didn't read the link did you?

Dude, I think the number of people into watersports pales in comparison to old farts pissing the bed. Just look at all the Harleys and Corvettes littering the roads these days. Dozens of bedwetters.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Phone posting, but Crocs is closing stores and all(?) of their manufacturing plants.

Stock has soared over the last year and rose based on the news, so there must be something I’m missing

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
I always kind of kick myself for not buying Crocs stocks in 2008 when it was like a buck fifty. They really diversified their lineup into something better than garden clogs, even if they do give people the ol' fartfoot.

90s Solo Cup
Feb 22, 2011

To understand the cup
He must become the cup



Professor Shark posted:

Phone posting, but Crocs is closing stores and all(?) of their manufacturing plants.

Stock has soared over the last year and rose based on the news, so there must be something I’m missing

On the contrary:

https://twitter.com/Crocs/status/1027690145942839301

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



I still don't know my sleep number

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

Robinhood shuts customers out of buying shares of MoviePass' parent company after the stock crashed more than 99.99% (HMNY)

quote:

Helios & Matheson, the parent company of MoviePass', won't be getting any new investors on Robinhood.

The free stock-trading app said Monday that it would not allow users to buy shares of the company, but that they would still be able to hold and sell shares currently owned.

...

Despite a massive 1-for-250 reverse stock split in July, HMNY has declined by more than 99.99% in the past month and was trading at just $0.05 on Monday. Adjusted for the reverse split, the stock was trading as high as $8,200 when it first acquired MoviePass in the fall of 2017.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Can someone explain what a reverse stock split is? I keep hearing about Moviepass doing it to bring their stocks up to reasonable values before they immediately plummet back down.

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
Basically the company merges stocks together to decrease the amount of stock in the market and increase the value of the remaining stocks. It's also called a stock merger, not sure what causes it to be called one or the other.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Oh, interesting. Maybe the reason Robinhood isn’t letting people buy shares of moviepass anymore is because bringing even a single new share into existence would destroy the whole company. There are four moviepass shares left, and if you want one; you’ll have to talk to doug or pete.

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

Don Gato posted:

Basically the company merges stocks together to decrease the amount of stock in the market and increase the value of the remaining stocks. It's also called a stock merger, not sure what causes it to be called one or the other.

What's a reverse stock merger?

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Scholtz posted:

What's a reverse stock merger?

A sex move that your mom specialises in.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
Companies only do reverse stock splits when they need to keep the stock price above the cuttoff point for delisting usually at 1$. Movie pass lost that game in under 2 weeks. It doesn't help the company except to buy a bit more time to get more funding or to make a loan requirement because it doesn't make new stock for equity. It really is just driving the price up by removing supply.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Companies only do reverse stock splits when they need to keep the stock price above the cuttoff point for delisting usually at 1$. Movie pass lost that game in under 2 weeks. It doesn't help the company except to buy a bit more time to get more funding or to make a loan requirement because it doesn't make new stock for equity. It really is just driving the price up by removing supply.

It's not so much removing supply as it is consolidating supply. It's the stock equivalent of giving someone a $5 bill for five ones. It's strictly a change in denomination, not actual value.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Scholtz posted:

What's a reverse stock merger?

Basically what you’re looking at in that case is a reverse reverse stock split, aka the dj casper strategy.

Spazzle
Jul 5, 2003

Straight White Shark posted:

It's not so much removing supply as it is consolidating supply. It's the stock equivalent of giving someone a $5 bill for five ones. It's strictly a change in denomination, not actual value.

What happens to people who don't have enough stock to merge? Fractional shares?

Kanish
Jun 17, 2004

Spazzle posted:

What happens to people who don't have enough stock to merge? Fractional shares?

Edit: stole this from somewhere

""Generally, if this results in fractional shares owned, the resulting fraction is paid off with cash by the company, but sometimes you are given the option of buying the remainder of a full share. If cash is received, it counts as a sale and is taxed as a capital gain or loss."

Kanish has a new favorite as of 18:28 on Aug 14, 2018

Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

MoviePass is un-canceling people’s accounts

When opening the MoviePass app, you may be prompted with this screen:


quote:

In the final paragraph of the email is a statement that “If you had previously requested cancellation prior to opting-in, your opt-in to the new plan will take priority and your account will not be cancelled.”

In other words, if you canceled your plan but later tapped the “I Accept” button below MoviePass’s in-app description of its latest updates, your cancellation was canceled.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Hot dang, they finally stumbled across a viable business model! You didn't not disagree to reverse the un-cancellation of your subscription, so that'll be :10bux:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



Do they even have enough money to fight the inevitable class action lawsuit?

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Doggles posted:

MoviePass is un-canceling people’s accounts

When opening the MoviePass app, you may be prompted with this screen:


Nice deceptive no disagree button

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



bunnyofdoom posted:

Do they even have enough money to fight the inevitable class action lawsuit?

By that point they will to too broke to afford the $0.02 payout every litigant will end up with, so instead they'll each get 10 moviepass shares.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

bunnyofdoom posted:

Do they even have enough money to fight the inevitable class action lawsuit?

I don't think they have enough money to buy a sandwich right now.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

bunnyofdoom posted:

Do they even have enough money to fight the inevitable class action lawsuit?

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
There's going to be scene like It's a Wonderful Life

"AMC will buy up all your shares of Moviepass for 50cents on the dollar!"
(AMC pulls out a couple of wrinkled twenties)

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

bunnyofdoom posted:

Do they even have enough money to fight the inevitable class action lawsuit?

I've got some exciting news for you about forced arbitration and recent court rulings.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Volmarias posted:

I've got some exciting news for you about forced arbitration and recent court rulings.

Please elaborate.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
Most things that have a terms of service now have a line requiring you to seek arbitration and giving up your right to a court. Regardless of how biased the arbitration company will be towards their corporate patron, the customer waives their right to a class action suit as part of it.

There's rulings like this, and there's going to be more of that coming down the line, so class action lawsuits are not long for this country barring a sudden and strong change in the makeup of Congress.

Goober Peas
Jun 30, 2007

Check out my 'Vette, bro


Volmarias posted:

so class action lawsuits are not long for this country barring a sudden and strong change in the makeup of Congress.

They're all clowns. No change in the makeup expected.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Wouldn’t all the inevitable credit card chargebacks potentially risk their ability to take cards at all?

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer

Krispy Wafer posted:

Wouldn’t all the inevitable credit card chargebacks potentially risk their ability to take cards at all?

They made it this far without a long term plan or any business model, I don't see why they're gonna stop now.

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Krispy Wafer posted:

Wouldn’t all the inevitable credit card chargebacks potentially risk their ability to take cards at all?

That is definitely a possibility for any business with a merchant account. Before they cut you off completely they jack the rates up; but if a company has too many chargebacks the account gets yanked. Moviepass may not really care about it for two big reasons. 1) They'll get the cash before the customer can chargeback, so they'll still improve cash flow in the short-term 2) they're in existential crisis mode and a few steps from having to shutter their doors, so losing a merchant account is the least of their worries.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Understood, but wouldn't it be ironic if they somehow stabilize their cash flow just in time for Visa to yank the plug.

Moviepass...now Bitcoin only.

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde

Iron Crowned posted:

I would like to know more about this rubber mattress

Natural latex mattresses are like memory foam but it lasts longer before wearing out and it stays cool instead of retaining the heat.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...

Fried Watermelon posted:

Nice deceptive no disagree button

What would a "disagree" button even do in this situation? Just leave the app.

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

JawnV6 posted:

What would a "disagree" button even do in this situation? Just leave the app.

If you have a subscription that's cancelled but not yet over, you still need the app to get your movies, and you should at least be able to disagree to the sneaky "starting with your next billing cycle" part.

Ellie Crabcakes
Feb 1, 2008

Stop emailing my boyfriend Gay Crungus

Krispy Wafer posted:

Wouldn’t all the inevitable credit card chargebacks potentially risk their ability to take cards at all?
Yep. If their chargebacks go over 1% they get put into a monitoring program and if they don't bring it back down, their merchant account gets burned and good luck getting another one.

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Doggles
Apr 22, 2007

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/1031928504370307072

Who wants to ride on this guy's spaceship to Mars

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