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Hattie Masters
Aug 29, 2012

COMICS CRIMINAL
Grimey Drawer

fruit on the bottom posted:

I mean it’s still kinda weird but at least he’s perving on his own wife and not jacking it to child porn like that ruroni Kenshin guy.

loving what

i mean i don't want to know any more but just

jesus christ i was watching that on netflix like a week ago ugh

Edit: a shameful snipe. Have some content.

I feel like the entire 2000's David Walliams and Matt Lucas... thing has aged spectacularly poorly. Almost every joke is just painfully unfunny, and I have no idea why for like... a good few years it was a cultural phenomenon here in the UK

Hattie Masters has a new favorite as of 16:25 on Aug 13, 2018

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Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Hattie Masters posted:

I feel like the entire 2000's David Walliams and Matt Lucas... thing has aged spectacularly poorly. Almost every joke is just painfully unfunny, and I have no idea why for like... a good few years it was a cultural phenomenon here in the UK
Beats me, I (at the risk of sounding hipster) thought they were unfunny shite at the time. Just that weird phenomena where someone or something becomes undeservedly popular for a couple of years before society at large regains its senses. Like the couple of years Chris O'Donnell was somehow a massive movie star, featuring opposite people like Al Pacino.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Krispy Wafer posted:

How about a Venn diagram of people who cite Venn diagrams but don't know how to use them?

That does beg the question: what do you think is the over/under on that?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Sunswipe posted:

Beats me, I (at the risk of sounding hipster) thought they were unfunny shite at the time. Just that weird phenomena where someone or something becomes undeservedly popular for a couple of years before society at large regains its senses. Like the couple of years Chris O'Donnell was somehow a massive movie star, featuring opposite people like Al Pacino.

Sam Worthington and Shia Lebouf?

Though those seem more of a result of some ill-advised Hollywood bet.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It's a weird manga, don't shoot the messenger. Sanji kind of deserves it but he doesn't learn his lesson at all, instead being even weirder around women for a while after, and it doesn't help he then goes to a kingdom with lots of beautiful mermaids. (Should be said that women actually are attracted to Sanji when he's capable of acting like a normal person for five minutes. Also for context, the magical cooking techniques are something he deliberately sought out, since he is a cook himself and very proud of it)

Dragon Ball Super notably makes a plot point out of Master Roshi learning to be less of a creep around women.


While I'm sure the former has nothing to do with this, that arc in DBSuper had me wondering something along the lines of the following...

Anime/manga has seemingly gotten a huge pass in the West from fandom that are extremely critical of similar themes or gimmicks in Western media. It always has, to a point, within the fandom. As that anime scene has started to become more normalized in the US, I can't help but wonder if everyone involved are starting to be a bit concerned over an eventual turn in the fandom against content.

That issue, and as creators they are also more aware of tastes and attitudes in Western audiences and a need to craft content from the start with them in mind.

I know people have argued against that in the past. Despite the fact Western entertainment is often heavily influenced by trying to appeal to an international audience, the idea that non-Western entertainment doing the same things feels like it's disregarded as a possibility.

edit: Maybe NOT just the West, either. About 3-4 years ago, I remember hearing something about a relatively notable increase in positive relations between China and Japan, in which even anime was mentioned as benefiting from that. That, too, might be dictating to some creators how they go forward with new content if they similarly plan to sell to that population, too.

JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 17:04 on Aug 13, 2018

Araenna
Dec 27, 2012




Lipstick Apathy
I think the way people see trans people in Japan is very different than in America, and a lot of anime fans take that into consideration. Sensible ones who aren't huge weeaboos will use it to give more leeway to stuff like Ouran High School Host Club, but are still critical about this stuff. Many fans just want to watch stuff without having to think too hard about it's problems or feel bad about it.

Speaking of this sort of thing, I've never seen Ranma 1/2. How bad is it?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

JediTalentAgent posted:

Anime/manga has seemingly gotten a huge pass in the West from fandom that are extremely critical of similar themes or gimmicks in Western media.

ehhhh, not really i think. maybe i'm in the wrong anime communities, but the fans i know are all incredibly inclusive and also vocal about social issues in shows.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Sam Worthington and Shia Lebouf?

Though those seem more of a result of some ill-advised Hollywood bet.

Maybe a couple of Hollywood bigshots have a Trading Places style bet every few years, so we end up with Shia in Indy 4 while a really good actor who looks like a young Harrison Ford is waiting tables and still wondering why he didn't get the part.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Sunswipe posted:

Beats me, I (at the risk of sounding hipster) thought they were unfunny shite at the time. Just that weird phenomena where someone or something becomes undeservedly popular for a couple of years before society at large regains its senses. Like the couple of years Chris O'Donnell was somehow a massive movie star, featuring opposite people like Al Pacino.

I am still confused about James Corden

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

spog posted:

I am still confused about James Corden

People always enjoy a harmless jolly fat white guy

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



jojoinnit posted:

People always enjoy a harmless jolly fat white guy

That is how I got so far in life

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Ghost Leviathan posted:

Sam Worthington and Shia Lebouf?

I don't think Worthington was ever popular, he was just...there.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Alhazred posted:

I don't think Worthington was ever popular, he was just...there.

I had to go look up Sam Worthington to remember who he was. I have seen Avatar and Terminator Salvation, neither is a movie I would like to revisit.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Hattie Masters posted:


I feel like the entire 2000's David Walliams and Matt Lucas... thing has aged spectacularly poorly. Almost every joke is just painfully unfunny, and I have no idea why for like... a good few years it was a cultural phenomenon here in the UK

There's a lot of UK comedy from that era that fell out of fashion super fast: League of Gentleman, etc. I remember people who were ardent fans of early series turning on later series that were seemingly identical.

Which is part of the problem. They all hammered their stock characters and repeated their catchphrases endlessly. And the humour was fairly base monkey-cheese randomness or lessened on gross out material which didn't help longevity.

But yes, it was a cultural phenomena. Everyone recognised the references.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Sam Worthington is going to be huge when those Avatar sequels come out.

I remember Hollywood people thinking Shia Lebouf would be a normal and bankable young actor since a lot of them were going crazy around that time.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Krispy Wafer posted:

Sam Worthington is going to be huge when those Avatar sequels come out.

I remember Hollywood people thinking Shia Lebouf would be a normal and bankable young actor since a lot of them were going crazy around that time.

I feel like Avatar 4 and 5 will get silently axed after Avatar 2 flops hard.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Peeny Cheez posted:

And the whole "go and win that incredibly gay contest!" sort of stuff also doesn't come off all that great either
The season one line that has aged most poorly is drunk Monarch slurring "why don't you get your big fat Tom o'Finland rear end back on your big gay bike" to the cop trying to arrest him for pissing on Phantom Limb's house.

...and it is truly unfortunate because I was like fourteen and I have zero respect for motorcycle cops so I think of it every single time to this day and I feel bad about myself, that's my story.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Iron Crowned posted:

I feel like Avatar 4 and 5 will get silently axed after Avatar 2 flops hard.

Is there anyone actually excited for Avatar 2? It feels like everyone saw the first one in theaters and then by and large totally forgot about it.

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON
There's those people who went nuts and had a mental break because they couldn't be on the magical alien elf planet. They're probably really excited for it.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Ugly In The Morning posted:

Is there anyone actually excited for Avatar 2? It feels like everyone saw the first one in theaters and then by and large totally forgot about it.

Really, I think the only reason Avatar 1 was such a big deal was the spectacle of it. It was a 3D movie when 3D was making a comeback, and it didn't use any 3D specific gags the way that most 3D films shoehorn in. It was neat to look at. I still can't believe that there are still 4 sequels on the slate. It was primed for a second if it had been 2 or 3 years, as opposed to the 10 we're at now.

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
At this point they can just wait a few more years for late-'00s franchise nostalgia to be in vogue.

BgRdMchne
Oct 31, 2011

Krispy Wafer posted:

Sam Worthington is going to be huge when those Avatar sequels come out.

I remember Hollywood people thinking Shia Lebouf would be a normal and bankable young actor since a lot of them were going crazy around that time.

Shia was good in that holes movie. He could have been the next McCauley caulking.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
No one cares much now, but a lot of people will be interested because of the Disney park, and once there is advertising and trailers it will gain hype.


I mean, I'll definitely see it, but that's different from saying I'm excited for it. They get my money either way, though.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

The Bloop posted:

No one cares much now, but a lot of people will be interested because of the Disney park, and once there is advertising and trailers it will gain hype.


I mean, I'll definitely see it, but that's different from saying I'm excited for it. They get my money either way, though.

I dunno, 10 years ago I would have been excited about new Star Wars movies, but the only one I've seen is Rogue One , and that was because it was on because it was on Netflix. So, maybe I'll see Avatar 2 if it's on Netflix

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Aesop Poprock posted:

On the other hand Mr 2 Bon Clay is probably the most heroic and selfless figure in the entire story and Ivankov is a really powerful good guy too even though they’re both huge stereotypes from the same pervert island so it’s basically a case of Japan having no idea how to handle poo poo like that

In Ivankov's defense, they're basically a giant copypasta of Dr. Frankenfurter, who is not a character that is famous for their subtlety, and seems to have received a free pass for character traits that would probably be seen as mad problematic had Rocky Horror come out as a new thing in this day and age, rather than when it did.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Avatar the original movie looked stupid, but then made more money than Titanic.

James Cameron has a gift. I can’t bet against the guy.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Krispy Wafer posted:

Avatar the original movie looked stupid, but then made more money than Titanic.

James Cameron has a gift. I can’t bet against the guy.

James Cameron's gift is making movies to justify the cost of the new toys he wants.

With Titanic it was submersibles

With Avatar it was 3D


Avatar 2 is supposed to be both, and he has some pretty visionary ideas about 3D and theaters, but yeah I'm willing to give him quite a lot of rope

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

spog posted:

I am still confused about James Corden

What I've heard is that he has a pretty unctuous personality around famous people and is really easily awed by celebrities, which is part of why he got ahead in as a television presenter on awards shows and talk show more than anyone else from the original cast of The History Boys (yes, Dominic Cooper has had more success as an actor, but as a media personality, Corden's the one who really hit the big time).

Example: remember when disgraced propagandist Sean Spicer appeared at the Emmys or the Golden Globes and guys like Jason Isaacs and Ron Perlman (and others, but they're the first who came to mind) were immediately on Twitter saying, "This is ridiculous; Sean Spicer is a disgraced propagandist and we shouldn't be feting him at awards shows." Meanwhile, photos came out of Corden schmoozing with him backstage.

I don't know, maybe I'm unfair but watch any Carpool Karaoke and that's the impression of him I get.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Krispy Wafer posted:

Avatar the original movie looked stupid, but then made more money than Titanic.

James Cameron has a gift. I can’t bet against the guy.

So will Avatar 2 be what finally destroys the MCU?

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Wheat Loaf posted:

What I've heard is that he has a pretty unctuous personality around famous people and is really easily awed by celebrities, which is part of why he got ahead in as a television presenter on awards shows and talk show more than anyone else from the original cast of The History Boys (yes, Dominic Cooper has had more success as an actor, but as a media personality, Corden's the one who really hit the big time).


I learned a new word today, and it's a perfect description of him. Thanks.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Iron Crowned posted:

So will Avatar 2 be what finally destroys the MCU?

Now I wish we had a James Cameron MCU movie, but with Linda Hamilton as Black Widow and a still living Bill Paxton as Bruce Banner.

Now I wish we had a still living Bill Paxton.

ThingOne
Jul 30, 2011



Would you like some tofu?


the_steve posted:

In Ivankov's defense, they're basically a giant copypasta of Dr. Frankenfurter, who is not a character that is famous for their subtlety, and seems to have received a free pass for character traits that would probably be seen as mad problematic had Rocky Horror come out as a new thing in this day and age, rather than when it did.

There's also Inazuma who is, for One Piece, an extremely normal looking person who switches between male and female more or less on a whim. Outside of Luffy's initial confusion no one ever brings it up or makes a big deal out of it.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

JediTalentAgent posted:

While I'm sure the former has nothing to do with this, that arc in DBSuper had me wondering something along the lines of the following...

Anime/manga has seemingly gotten a huge pass in the West from fandom that are extremely critical of similar themes or gimmicks in Western media. It always has, to a point, within the fandom. As that anime scene has started to become more normalized in the US, I can't help but wonder if everyone involved are starting to be a bit concerned over an eventual turn in the fandom against content.

That issue, and as creators they are also more aware of tastes and attitudes in Western audiences and a need to craft content from the start with them in mind.

I know people have argued against that in the past. Despite the fact Western entertainment is often heavily influenced by trying to appeal to an international audience, the idea that non-Western entertainment doing the same things feels like it's disregarded as a possibility.

edit: Maybe NOT just the West, either. About 3-4 years ago, I remember hearing something about a relatively notable increase in positive relations between China and Japan, in which even anime was mentioned as benefiting from that. That, too, might be dictating to some creators how they go forward with new content if they similarly plan to sell to that population, too.

I would say it's probably similar to how pro wrestling has evolved in the way it's heading. Pro wrestling almost world wide has become incredibly more left leaning and nerdy and the fans are very critical of sexism and homophobia now and it's one of the reasons even WWE lead by creepy old weirdo Vince McMahon have had to change their product and make it more inclusive, and why groups like the Bullet Club were able to sell out a 10,000+ seat arena for the first time in.... literally ever based off a stable and not a major promotion. There are still a lot of lovely wrestling fans but in terms of nerdy interests it's probably one of the most pro lgbtq and feminist out there at the moment

Anime seems like it's improving, but it still has weird setbacks like when Sword Art Online went from charming and cool gender equal story in the first arc to "the girl is stolen by a rapist and the main character and his sister have a romance thing going on" in the second one and it got extremely uncomfortable and pervy

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

To these sing-alongs 🎤of siren 🧜🏻‍♀️songs
To oohs😮 to ahhs😱 to 👏big👏applause👏
With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
🇺🇸America🦅, I love you 🥰but you're freaking 💦me 😳out
Biscuit Hider
Speaking for myself I’m also hesitant to call out stuff from other cultures just because “oh here’s the American telling the Japanese how to run their poo poo” angle feels a little weird

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Sword Art Online also had the female lead go from being a super badass who leads one of the largest guilds in the game and is arguably just as good of a fighter as the main character to waifu who is completely sidelined for the second story arc and then after that she just kind of hangs around.


Hattie Masters posted:

loving what

i mean i don't want to know any more but just

jesus christ i was watching that on netflix like a week ago ugh

Edit: a shameful snipe. Have some content.


Yeah, it was super gross he was caught by the police with multiple DVDs of child porn and the most that came out of it was a fine.

AvesPKS
Sep 26, 2004

I don't dance unless I'm totally wasted.

Sunswipe posted:

Beats me, I (at the risk of sounding hipster) thought they were unfunny shite at the time. Just that weird phenomena where someone or something becomes undeservedly popular for a couple of years before society at large regains its senses. Like the couple of years Chris O'Donnell was somehow a massive movie star, featuring opposite people like Al Pacino.

I feel like this has more to do with age and youth than anything else. I feel like it happens more frequently with women too.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005

Krispy Wafer posted:

Now I wish we had a James Cameron MCU movie, but with Linda Hamilton as Black Widow and a still living Bill Paxton as Bruce Banner.

Now I wish we had a still living Bill Paxton.

But Bill Paxton is already in the MCU! (And I thought Linda Hamilton but I confused her in Chuck with Lucy Lawless in Agents of SHIELD.)

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

I started the X-Files again after picking up the complete set on BD, I've only seen the first season and a half or so before. It's aged fine but it's just extremely funny to me that they effectively just made The Thing in an episode lol

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Krispy Wafer posted:

Now I wish we had a James Cameron MCU movie, but with Linda Hamilton as Black Widow and a still living Bill Paxton as Bruce Banner.

Now I wish we had a still living Bill Paxton.

I really want a dimension-crossing Spider-Man movie with every live action version of Spidey. Including Especially the 70s TV shows from America and Japan.

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Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
And Italy!

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