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Spatulater bro! posted:I said for years that Blu-ray would be the last physical medium, but UHD just barely snuck in there. But yeah it's definitely the last one. Its good that it did. Hdr is great. And honestly 4k is probably the best resolution we need for home purposes anyway. What we do need is better encoding and scanning.
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I wonder how long it’ll be until streaming services and ISP backends allow for UHD quality media. I’m gonna guess a long, long time. I’m sure we’ll hit a stage where some movies have no physical release before then, and image and picture quality will regress.
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Spatulater bro! posted:I said for years that Blu-ray would be the last physical medium, but UHD just barely snuck in there. But yeah it's definitely the last one. The worst part is there’s going to be a ton of old movies that never get a UHD release, if they even got a Blu-ray version. It’s just the end of the line. There will never be a high quality physical version of them, which is so sad as UHD is so close to the original cinema experience. EL BROMANCE posted:I wonder how long it’ll be until streaming services and ISP backends allow for UHD quality media. I’m gonna guess a long, long time. I’m sure we’ll hit a stage where some movies have no physical release before then, and image and picture quality will regress. I think the bigger issue is that even if the bandwidth is there, the distributors and the ISPs have every incentive to throttle and compress media because it’s cheaper for them and most people don’t care. Convenience and quantity vastly outweigh quality is the minds of most consumers. SeductiveReasoning fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Aug 17, 2018 18:15
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I honestly can't put faith in the narrative physical is a dying like the dodo. The vinyl revival was started both in response to physical media dying out, and as a result of hi-fi communities and their apocrypha. I just see a future where the narrative of digital streaming being a 'subpar' viewing experience taking hold. Not to mention people's pet favorite films just disappearing and reappearing every 6 months-5 years. Unless wireless internet providers improve exponentially, outpacing broadband and fiber, and studios either becoming a lot more proactive making their films available at all times, or digital media purchase becomes a larger market, I just feel like it's a retraction due to watching trends.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:11
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I honestly can't put faith in the narrative physical is a dying like the dodo. You have too much faith in people, we're the weirdos. Most people don't give a poo poo about picture, you could give them the picture quality of a highly used VHS dubbed at SLP and they'd be fine with it.
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I don't know if this is the right place, but I had a question about digital movies. Typically I buy only movies in 4K and they come with a digital code. Does the matter where I register this digital code? From my understanding there are certain websites will not give you the 4K steaming copy and only a 1080p streaming copy. I have about 90% of my codes registered on moviesanywhere.com, but are they a 4K copy? Or should I register on different websites to ensure I get the 4K copy.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:35
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Iron Crowned posted:You have too much faith in people, we're the weirdos. Most people don't give a poo poo about picture, you could give them the picture quality of a highly used VHS dubbed at SLP and they'd be fine with it. Conversely, this also has, at least in the past, worked in physical media's favor because those same people who don't give a poo poo about picture quality also tend to fear technology and still buy DVDs. Now, these people are getting old and will start dying soon so that could change.
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Aug 17, 2018 19:42
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You’d think the continual splintering of streaming services and the shrinking Netflix catalog would have already driven a physical media resurgence, but I guess laziness and apathy win this round.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:32
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Big Mean Jerk posted:You’d think the continual splintering of streaming services and the shrinking Netflix catalog would have already driven a physical media resurgence, but I guess laziness and apathy win this round. This is the big factor that keeps me devoted to physical, even edging out quality. I don't want my movie options to be relegated to what Netflix happens to be showing.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:40
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I honestly can't put faith in the narrative physical is a dying like the dodo. Couple of important differences though:
I guess it could still happen, but unlike music, the history of movies is mostly in theaters, not as a home product. So there's not really some high ideal to return to, other than the theater experience. That's making some very limited comeback in terms of boutique arthouse theaters or whatever. But movies as a home product have always been a secondary concern, never the "real" way to experience them. It started out with crappy quality, crappy packaging, and tiny TVs, and it's really hard to argue that what we have now is anything other than an improvement. Now, I'm not saying streaming will never fall out of fashion -- I just think most people would be content with movies being downloadable digital files rather than something you can hold. Whereas music snobs are not content with that. (And it is only now, after typing all that, that I realize you were probably not so much talking about "digital vs. physical" as "streaming vs. owning". Whereas I think other people were talking about owning a disc vs. just a file. Whatever.)
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For me, it’s definitely a streaming vs owning thing. I don’t want my choice of movies to be beholden to a given app’s catalog selection or whether or not my internet connection is cooperating that day. And since the cost of buying a film from iTunes or some other app is only marginally less than just buying a physical disc, there’s little point to building a digital library (and most big studio releases include a digital code now anyway). The only real downside is finding enough shelf space for 1000+ titles 
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obi_ant posted:I don't know if this is the right place, but I had a question about digital movies. Typically I buy only movies in 4K and they come with a digital code. Does the matter where I register this digital code? From my understanding there are certain websites will not give you the 4K steaming copy and only a 1080p streaming copy. I have about 90% of my codes registered on moviesanywhere.com, but are they a 4K copy? Or should I register on different websites to ensure I get the 4K copy. Apple upgraded anyone's collection to 4k when they announced the Apple TV 4k. However, they also work with Movies Anywhere. So if you link them, they'll show their movies on any other Movies Anywhere service. Big Mean Jerk posted:For me, it’s definitely a streaming vs owning thing. I don’t want my choice of movies to be beholden to a given app’s catalog selection or whether or not my internet connection is cooperating that day. And since the cost of buying a film from iTunes or some other app is only marginally less than just buying a physical disc, there’s little point to building a digital library (and most big studio releases include a digital code now anyway). Time to trigger people in this tread again. 
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Aug 17, 2018 20:56
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Physical media will persist, but with enthusiast prices.
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Aug 17, 2018 20:58
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Spatulater bro! posted:This is the big factor that keeps me devoted to physical, even edging out quality. I don't want my movie options to be relegated to what Netflix happens to be showing. Yea, in the past few weeks I've watched Raiders of the Lost Ark, A Cure For Wellness, A Fistfull of Dollars, Thief, and A Touch of Zen. I came home one day from work this week and it was a dark rainy afternoon, was in the mood for something gothic so I popped in A Cure For Wellness. I don't even know if it's available for streaming but I enjoy not even having to worry about it, I have a very wide range of movies now and I can just go based on mood, it's pretty nice.
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Aug 17, 2018 21:03
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So Vinegar Syndrome is having a Summer "Hot Flash" Sale. It's all pre-2018 pornography
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Iron Crowned posted:So Vinegar Syndrome is having a Summer "Hot Flash" Sale. It's all pre-2018 pornography Link for those curious. Anyone have any suggestions with these? I love a good sexploitation kind of thing, if that's what's going on here. I'd just Google all of them myself but I'm at work for a while...
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Sir Lemming posted:Couple of important differences though: It's not sincerely about 'Hip old format', but rather the enthusiast trends disseminating their way to a larger public. I believe the same arguments of data loss and encoding and low bit rate that drove the early demand for vinyl will do the same for physical movies. I can't imagine that streaming will give the same performance of 2001 that the UHD release will. Perhaps right now we're in a golden age of home cinema, in terms of quality of format. And I just think, sometime down the line when a new generation grows up unfamiliar with racks of DVDs and Bluray, they will look to the physical disc the way mine look to Vinyl. Of course, this entire thesis is predicated on digital releases dying out over time. That consumers would rather pay the subscription to Netflix and Hulu and Prime, that neither studios or the market leaders won't bother with digital sales due to lack of interest. And, when consumer demand is effectively against the 'watch what we say you can' model, that the market doesn't pick back up. I'm certainly not saying I'm absolutely correct and y'all a bunch of buscuitheads, but assuming that capitalism keeps capitalising, I think the demand will return. Of course there's always the third option of revival cinemas just exploding side stepping the issue entirely, but I figure it's a safe bet against that.
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Basebf555 posted:Yea, in the past few weeks I've watched Raiders of the Lost Ark, A Cure For Wellness, A Fistfull of Dollars, Thief, and A Touch of Zen. I came home one day from work this week and it was a dark rainy afternoon, was in the mood for something gothic so I popped in A Cure For Wellness. Thief is on Hulu. Just bringing it up so in case you’re some kind of savage and haven’t seen Thief, you can see Thief there. In terms of revival cinema, I think there’s a market there. I’ve spent over $100 in tickets between August and September. That’s waaaay more than I’ve spent at first run theaters in the last year or two. And I got to see some cool poo poo like ROBOCOP or the Dollars Trilogy. poo poo, I see Once Upon a Time in the West for the first time next Friday. My Sunday’s in September are gonna be Peter Lorre films! Anyway, it will be interesting how cinema changes in the next 5 years. The market for CDs basically died within a decade of the iPod going mainstream. Physical movies might be within a similar timeline.
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zenintrude posted:No Kino?? Kino's the janitor. Severin is Bender's old man. Code Red is Emilio Estevez's dad. Blue Underground is the kid Emilio Estevez sexually assaulted. Warner Archive is the principal.
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feedmyleg posted:Link for those curious. I have have all the Blus between A Woman's Torment and Blue Money. Blue Money is not really porn, but it's about a pornographer when pornography was illegal. That one probably fits your bill best. A Woman's Torment is a Porno/Horror, its ok.
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feedmyleg posted:Link for those curious. Just get anything with Hyapatia Lee and thank me later.
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codyclarke posted:Just get anything with Hyapatia Lee and thank me later. And done because why not? Edit: One nice bonus of the yearly/half yearly VS package is I can bundle orders with my monthly drop, so if don't mind waiting a few weeks, the shipping is free. Iron Crowned fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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TheScott2K posted:Physical media will persist, but with enthusiast prices. This is probably going to be the case. I've been collecting records for over a decade and the prices of poo poo now compared to when I started are completely outrageous with new stuff generally being ten plus more dollars per item and used things often going for anywhere near two to five times what they once would.
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The biggest problem with compression is being able to handle anything but the cleanest, sharpest, most perfect image. So, stuff shot fully exposed in digital or primarily with a digital finish will not suffer too much from higher compression. At least until there's parts with high movement. It's sort of like how I started to watch Faces on Filmstruck. Now, they have a way better compression quality than the average Netflix stream, but the compression absolutely ruined the image. The Blu-ray looks absolutely perfect by comparison. But the Blu-ray has something like an average bitrate of 26-30 mbs. Even when you download instead of stream, I'm seeing 5 GB files for 2 hour movies for 1080p.Which is kind of insane considering the most space you could fit a standard def DVD would be around 8 1/2 GB.
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Here's the thing - most people when they sit down to watch a movie want a movie, not a specific film necessarily. It's like music - most people want background noise most of the time. They may occasionally want a specific song, but they just want something familiar and comfortable. Streaming works great for those people. There's going to be people who really care about movies, and will want specific films, and for those people, physical media will rule the day. DVD came in at the right time where it offered better picture quality and sound and people loved the novelty of deleted scenes and the like.
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I'd like point out that Kanye West, who in 2016 declared physical media dead and released an album streaming-only, released an album in 2018 in physical copies.
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Almost Blue posted:Does anybody know if Barnes and Noble loses money on their Criterion/Arrow sales? Or is the bulk cost cheap enough that it's still somewhat profitable? I've always wondered how they're able to do them year after year. So I asked my friend about this, and he pulled data on this for me. During the Criterion / Arrow sales, the margins are pretty much razor-thin, like retail price being maybe a buck or two more above store cost. B&N does it to get people in the store and hopefully buy magazines (which are stupidly high-margin), or again get interested in nerd toys or Nook tablets.
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Timby posted:So I asked my friend about this, and he pulled data on this for me. During the Criterion / Arrow sales, the margins are pretty much razor-thin, like retail price being maybe a buck or two more above store cost. B&N does it to get people in the store and hopefully buy magazines (which are stupidly high-margin), or again get interested in nerd toys or Nook tablets. With 10% off Member Discount (+ a 20% off coupon sometimes) is it then a loss? On the subject of physical media, Amazon is expanding its MOD (Manufactured on Demand) significantly very soon, basically making it so that anyone can publish their films through Createspace not just as a DVD-R like they've been able to thus far, but also as BD-R, or multi-disc sets. I think the future of physical media will be a whole lot more MOD titles: if you want a film, its printed for you, if you don't, it's not. codyclarke fucked around with this message at 06:23 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Timby posted:So I asked my friend about this, and he pulled data on this for me. During the Criterion / Arrow sales, the margins are pretty much razor-thin, like retail price being maybe a buck or two more above store cost. B&N does it to get people in the store and hopefully buy magazines (which are stupidly high-margin), or again get interested in nerd toys or Nook tablets. The B&N in my area doesn't have videos at all, but also I feel like anyone there for Criterions just isn't going to buy that other dumb bullshit.
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codyclarke posted:With 10% off Member Discount (+ a 20% off coupon sometimes) is it then a loss? A lot of the academic books I get through Amazon have a barcode and publication date on the back page that’s a day or two after I place the order. I never really thought about it, but I guess amazon is printing those copies or has a very close relationship with whoever is printing those copies. That could be the future of media.
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Me, I just like physical media because it actually feels like I own the media contained on it (even though legally blah-blah copyright law I'm just "licensing it"). If I buy a blu ray I don't have to worry about it disappearing due to rights issues or the service going down or my internet going out or whatever. Plus all the little booklets, director's commentaries and documentary features, artwork, etc. That's why I like record collecting too, you get all the artwork and inserts and you own the music physically, you have to select what you want and dedicate yourself to listening to it like you have to pick out and dedicate yourself to watching one blu ray. But yeah, most people don't really give a poo poo about any of that 
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Timby posted:So I asked my friend about this, and he pulled data on this for me. During the Criterion / Arrow sales, the margins are pretty much razor-thin, like retail price being maybe a buck or two more above store cost. B&N does it to get people in the store and hopefully buy magazines (which are stupidly high-margin), or again get interested in nerd toys or Nook tablets. Wow, thanks for checking! That seems like a pretty bad strategy, as I'm sure that like 90% of people who are interested in Criterion won't consider buying toys or whatever. If I get anything from the sale, I usually buy it from their website anyway, as they have much better selection. codyclarke posted:With 10% off Member Discount (+ a 20% off coupon sometimes) is it then a loss? I'm almost certain that it is. There was a blu-ray forum I was on a few years back where people were pissed when B&N stopped allowing for most of their coupons to stack with the Criterion sale. Before that happened, I ended up getting the Tati set for around $40.
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business hammocks posted:A lot of the academic books I get through Amazon have a barcode and publication date on the back page that’s a day or two after I place the order. I never really thought about it, but I guess amazon is printing those copies or has a very close relationship with whoever is printing those copies. That could be the future of media. Yeah those are definitely MOD through Createspace. I self-publish on there and all the books have that. Basically you just upload a PDF of the cover art and PDF of the inside and they print a copy right when anyone orders it. No overhead whatsoever, and your product is right up there on Amazon with anyone else's, and even on the Barnes & Noble site too. It's a great deal, and of the few things I truly love about Amazon.
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The one reason I do still care about physical media for movies, despite what I said earlier, is that it's one more obstacle to movie companies going subscription-streaming-only and flat out not releasing any "ownable" copy at all. In truth there is no reason they can't still let us "own" an MPEG file or whatever, and I wouldn't miss the discs. But I do worry that if it gets to that point, they could just say "hey guys we're killing off our digital downloads, but don't worry, you can still stream." It'd be a drat near perfect anti-piracy measure, AKA the holy grail of the movie industry, so I'd be foolish not to be wary of it.
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Sir Lemming posted:The one reason I do still care about physical media for movies, despite what I said earlier, is that it's one more obstacle to movie companies going subscription-streaming-only and flat out not releasing any "ownable" copy at all. In truth there is no reason they can't still let us "own" an MPEG file or whatever, and I wouldn't miss the discs. But I do worry that if it gets to that point, they could just say "hey guys we're killing off our digital downloads, but don't worry, you can still stream." It'd be a drat near perfect anti-piracy measure, AKA the holy grail of the movie industry, so I'd be foolish not to be wary of it. I assure you that you can find pirated copies of streaming-only media as easily as stuff with a physical release. You don't have to wait for the Blu-rays to come out for Game of Thrones to hit Pirate Bay.
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https://twitter.com/TheCyberdevil/status/1031460440616968192 Not surprising that the BBC is doing the seasons out of order.
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Disney is releasing "Celebrating Mickey" - a Blu-ray with 13 classic Mickey Mouse cartoons. Kind of paltry compared to what they did with Walt Disney Treasures on DVD, but perhaps if sales are good they'll do some bigger sets.
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