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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



For too long they've mocked our nipples, I demand an end to the misandry

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ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Proteus Jones posted:

That one broke my brain. I had to read the first sentence more than once to figure out what the gently caress they were trying to say.

This is why commas are important.

Boy paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

ZombieLenin posted:

This is why commas are important.

Boy paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt.

If you’re going to do that you need two commas:

Boy, paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt

But it’s better to rewrite:

Boy fights back to earn black belt after tumor paralyzes him

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
Boy kills tumour with,machinegun.

ZombieLenin
Sep 6, 2009

"Democracy for the insignificant minority, democracy for the rich--that is the democracy of capitalist society." VI Lenin


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Besesoth posted:

If you’re going to do that you need two commas:

Boy, paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt

But it’s better to rewrite:

Boy fights back to earn black belt after tumor paralyzes him

This the correct answer.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

Counterpoint: it took me until reading the corrected version with commas to understand how you could possibly misread the original headline. I just couldn't parse it incorrectly and didn't even realize it.

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer
I took it as an 80s movie where a courageous tumor fought against the bully it was attached to and managed to beat him in a karate tournament that immediately awarded it a black belt. And hell, I was proud of it

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Ape Agitator
Feb 19, 2004

Soylent Green is Monkeys
College Slice

This is yuj/huge news!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Besesoth posted:

If you’re going to do that you need two commas:

Boy, paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt

But it’s better to rewrite:

Boy fights back to earn black belt after tumor paralyzes him

What do you have against the one comma version?

I would change “after” to “by”:

Boy paralyzed by tumor, fights back to earn black belt

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Platystemon posted:

What do you have against the one comma version?

I would change “after” to “by”:

Boy paralyzed by tumor, fights back to earn black belt

this post, sounds like christopher? walken.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Platystemon posted:

What do you have against the one comma version?
That's just not how commas work. In the two comma version you can remove the part of the sentence enclosed by commas and it still makes sense. The one comma version just has a weird break in the middle.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
It’s how journalists use commas.

A headline on the Chicago Tribune’s home page right now:

quote:

Aurora man broke into house, stole woman's underwear while she and her children hid: police

<subject> did one thing, did other thing


It’s the same format as the blackbelt headline.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Platystemon posted:

It’s how journalists use commas.

A headline on the Chicago Tribune’s home page right now:


<subject> did one thing, did other thing


It’s the same format as the blackbelt headline.
It's also technically wrong.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Journalism uses commas sparingly to take up less space and fit more on the page.
"Rules" be damned.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

It’s not wrong if the editors and style manual say to do it that way.

Baron von Eevl
Jan 24, 2005

WHITE NOISE
GENERATOR

🔊😴

Platystemon posted:

It’s how journalists use commas.

A headline on the Chicago Tribune’s home page right now:


<subject> did one thing, did other thing


It’s the same format as the blackbelt headline.

You're taking it like the newspaper is saying that the kid did one thing (get paralyzed), and then did another (earns a black belt). The intention is to say that the kid, who was paralyzed after having a tumor, later earned a black belt. The difference is subtle, but the latter strikes the tone of "despite being paralyzed this kid earned a black belt" whereas your version gives the impression that those things are both achievements. Also "by" instead of "after" implies causation.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Baron von Eevl posted:

You're taking it like the newspaper is saying that the kid did one thing (get paralyzed), and then did another (earns a black belt). The intention is to say that the kid, who was paralyzed after having a tumor, later earned a black belt. The difference is subtle, but the latter strikes the tone of "despite being paralyzed this kid earned a black belt" whereas your version gives the impression that those things are both achievements. Also "by" instead of "after" implies causation.

No. It's pretty clear the tumor fought back and earned a black belt.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Platystemon posted:

It’s how journalists use commas.

<subject> did one thing, did other thing
That's not quite the same. In your example the comma replaces the word "and". In the original example an "and" wouldn't quite work there either:

Boy paralyzed after tumor and fights back to earn black belt

There's an unspoken "who was" after the word "boy", so if you expand that out you get:

Boy who was paralyzed after tumor and fights back to earn black belt

but what you actually want is:

Boy who was paralyzed after tumor fights back to earn black belt

So if you remove the "who was" you get back to the original headline, which is how that came about in the first place. Then to remove the ambiguity they should have added two commas to separate the "paralysed after tumor" bit.

In your other example:

Aurora man broke into house, stole woman's underwear while she and her children hid: police

the comma can be replaced by an "and", or by a semicolon.

Aurora man broke into house; stole woman's underwear while she and her children hid: police


This is actually a slightly different thing. A comma splice is where you essentially replace a full stop with a comma, but if you put a full stop into Platystemon's example then the second sentence wouldn't work.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

Platystemon posted:

It’s how journalists use commas.

A headline on the Chicago Tribune’s home page right now:


<subject> did one thing, did other thing


It’s the same format as the blackbelt headline.

To do that, you need two verbs. (“paralyzed by tumor” as a construction is essentially a passive participle and works as an adjective.) This would work:

Boy is paralyzed after tumor, fights back to earn black belt

You could also use an absolute to create a one-comma sentence:

Paralyzed after tumor, boy fights back to earn black belt

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
The decision between the single and double comma versions depends, in my view, on how the article treats the kid’s medical episode.

If the story is chronological and explains how the kid was paralysed before describing his karate career, one comma works.

If it jumps right into the karate (which seems likely, actually), two commas are better.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1030635431916982272

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Platystemon posted:

The decision between the single and double comma versions depends, in my view, on how the article treats the kid’s medical episode.

If the story is chronological and explains how the kid was paralysed before describing his karate career, one comma works.

If it jumps right into the karate (which seems likely, actually), two commas are better.
The grammatical correctness of the headline can't be altered by anything that comes after it. The single comma version is just wrong.

SneezeOfTheDecade
Feb 6, 2011

gettin' covid all
over your posts

Vice, I don't think most people agree with you on what that emoji means. :ohdear:

Cartoon Man
Jan 31, 2004




http://www.fox5ny.com/news/restaurant-busted-over-protected-tarantula-tacos

:gonk:

GrossMurpel
Apr 8, 2011

"Fancy a tarantula taco for a cool $27"
No
"Not so fast, Mexican authorities say."
Uh okay I guess I could try one

Juliet Whisky
Jan 14, 2017
Hail Satan!



https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-a8495576.html

cenotaph
Mar 2, 2013



You can put up a statue of baphomet but it can't have tits.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

cenotaph posted:

You can put up a statue of baphomet but it can't have tits.

Not My Baphomet!

Pigsfeet on Rye
Oct 22, 2008

I'm meat on the hoof

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Not My Baphomet!

Tits On Your Baphomet? Its More Likely Than You Think!

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Boy, paralysed, after tumor, fights back, to gain a black belt.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Boy paralysed after, tumor, fights back to, gain a bla,ck belt.

Rashomon
Jun 21, 2006

This machine kills fascists
For sale, black belt, worn by boy who had tumor who then earned it by training in martial arts

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

"Finger Prince?! I don't think so!"

Pissed Ape Sexist
Apr 19, 2008

Boy criminal, fingered by police, getting smarter after gaining black belt, better tumours

Brazilianpeanutwar
Aug 27, 2015

Spent my walletfull, on a jpeg, desolate, will croberts make a whale of me yet?
black boy,fingers tumour, belts police,,,,,,.

Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



Boy tumourier; police smarter

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out
TUMOR BOY WINS BLACK BELT

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Captain Hygiene
Sep 17, 2007

You mess with the crabbo...



AlbieQuirky posted:

TUMOR BOY WINS BLACK BELT

TUMOR TEEN TACKLES TAEKWONDO!

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