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JcDent posted:You better be posting cattes every time you post something about calvinists. And modern churches. I can't promise they'll always be cats. Chinchillas are also cute and fuzzy. https://i.imgur.com/oDvMPyW.mp4
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Aug 19, 2018 13:34
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Cythereal posted:I can't promise they'll always be cats. Chinchillas are also cute and fuzzy. but they're not
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Aug 19, 2018 13:35
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pidan posted:So what does it mean when someone says they're consecrated to ... ? Is it something you do once, like taking refuge, or is it something one has to keep doing, like, uh, a novena? Do you say a daily rosary? you're supposed to renew your act of consecration every year on the same Marian feast day you chose. St. Louis de Montfort recommended the Annunciation as the preferred feast day to do it. anyway how it works is that you enter into a period of prayer and fasting 33 days before a Marian feast day and then consecrate yourself to Mary during the Mass held on that day. you're essentially pledging that you will become a slave of Mary and letting her lead you to Christ. also it's generally recommended you go full ven. matt talbot with it and wear a cilice or scapular afterwards. and most people, I assume, pray the rosary daily both before and after this. doing it on the feast of Our Lady of Sorrows has its own special prayer and is very rarely done.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:19
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The Phlegmatist posted:you're supposed to renew your act of consecration every year on the same Marian feast day you chose. St. Louis de Montfort recommended the Annunciation as the preferred feast day to do it. post the prayer
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Aug 19, 2018 14:22
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Epicurius posted:If it was good enough for Michelangelo, it's good enough for me. Yeah, I'm aware of that; it is the shame of orthodoxy.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:38
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HEY GUNS posted:post the prayer quote:Most Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, holy Queen of Martyrs and spotless Virgin, would that I could be in Heaven with thee; there to contemplate the honors rendered to thee by the Most Holy Trinity and by the whole Heavenly Court! But since I am still a pilgrim in this valley of tears, receive from me, thy unworthy servant and a poor sinner, the most sincere homage and the most perfect act of vassalage and devotion that a human creature can offer thee. last time this devotion was a thing was in *checks notes* ... rwanda.
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Aug 19, 2018 14:54
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Good churches, good hats, good thread.
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Aug 19, 2018 15:10
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cats inna church So I never got a reply to my e-mail, but Fr. Lenin (whose name I'm not redacting because I think it's cool that my pastor's given name is Lenin...) gave basically two homilies this morning. The one after the Gospel was about how the Mass is not our invention, how we can't read the newspaper instead of the Scripture, or sing our favorite songs instead of the Psalms (this is proof Fr. Lenin has been spared some of the parishes I've attended in the US), and how if he uses his own words instead of the Eucharistic Prayer he'll just be giving us bread, and that would be like starving us. Then there were two intercessions relating to current events - one asking for strength for the church, one for healing for victims - and then after the announcements Father stood back up and read a very long speech, about as long as his homily was, about how he was sorry and ashamed on behalf of his brother priests, how we'd all been failed by his brother priests, how he was begging us for our prayers, and also how if we ever become aware of abuse "like that" we're to call the authorities, and if we tell him instead, he'll call 911 while we're still in his office. It was very moving, and I don't think too many other people heard my three-year-old yelling "you no scold me, I scold you!" when I asked him to hush so I could hear.
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Aug 19, 2018 16:00
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Yeah, our bishop delivered the homily here, apologized for his fellow bishops and reiterated our diocesan abuse policies. I'm lucky that he isn't 1. complicit in the cover-up or 2. immediately blaming THE GAYS because either of those would make CCD quite a bit harder!
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Aug 19, 2018 17:20
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CountFosco posted:Yeah, I'm aware of that; it is the shame of orthodoxy. I thought the shame of Orthodoxy is how Orthodox leadership tends to be complicit in supporting oppressive state structures of which they have become a part, like the way the Russian Orthodox Church stirred up antisemitism and threw themselves 100% behind the Romanovs in Tsarist Russia, even when it became clear that there needed to be serious reforms, or how, during the Soviet Union, they agreed themselves to back the Soviet state in exchange for ending repression against Orthodoxy, or how now, the Russian Orthodox leadership has gotten in bed with Putin, or how the Serbian Patriarch supported Serbian militias in Bosnia in the Yugoslav Wars.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:27
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CountFosco posted:Yeah, I'm aware of that; it is the shame of orthodoxy. I've been meaning to post this icon I got for free a few months ago:   I've been curious about it since it seems to be an image of the Father.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:33
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Epicurius posted:I thought the shame of Orthodoxy is how Orthodox leadership tends to be complicit in supporting oppressive state structures of which they have become a part, like the way the Russian Orthodox Church stirred up antisemitism and threw themselves 100% behind the Romanovs in Tsarist Russia, even when it became clear that there needed to be serious reforms, or how, during the Soviet Union, they agreed themselves to back the Soviet state in exchange for ending repression against Orthodoxy, or how now, the Russian Orthodox leadership has gotten in bed with Putin, or how the Serbian Patriarch supported Serbian militias in Bosnia in the Yugoslav Wars. Actually, I'm the shame of Orthodoxy.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:34
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Slimy Hog posted:I've been meaning to post this icon I got for free a few months ago: I thought these were banned in Orthodoxy.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:50
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Slimy Hog posted:I've been curious about it since it seems to be an image of the Father.
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Aug 19, 2018 18:53
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pidan fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:04
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Epicurius posted:I thought the shame of Orthodoxy is how Orthodox leadership tends to be complicit in supporting oppressive state structures of which they have become a part, like the way the Russian Orthodox Church stirred up antisemitism and threw themselves 100% behind the Romanovs in Tsarist Russia, even when it became clear that there needed to be serious reforms, or how, during the Soviet Union, they agreed themselves to back the Soviet state in exchange for ending repression against Orthodoxy, or how now, the Russian Orthodox leadership has gotten in bed with Putin, or how the Serbian Patriarch supported Serbian militias in Bosnia in the Yugoslav Wars. Nope, it's the visual depiction of the father, as this is a theological lie. All of the things that you've described are painting the Russian church in rather broad strokes. Further, you have to remember that Peter the Great dissolved the patriarchate of Moscow and leashed the church leadership directly to his will, under the influence, I might add, of western European "reformers", mainly Dutch, under his plan to "modernize" Russia. It's not "hyperdox" to bristle at the visual depiction of the Father, because the Father is immaterial. It defies what we understand about the inscrutability of the divine, the well-known cloud of unknowing. It's a rule with a purpose, and it's a good rule, and those who break it only reinforce in the broader culture the idea that Christians think of God as an old bearded white man living in the sky. The most which is permissible is a hand appearing out of the corner.
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Aug 19, 2018 19:04
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pidan posted:Isn't the most famous orthodox icon an icon that depicts the trinity and hence the Father? Technically, those are the three angelic visitors, and thus is not depicting the trinity directly, but indirectly stands as a representation of the principle of the trinity.
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Aug 19, 2018 19:05
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CountFosco posted:It's not "hyperdox" to bristle at the visual depiction of the Father, because the Father is immaterial. It defies what we understand about the inscrutability of the divine, the well-known cloud of unknowing. It's a rule with a purpose, and it's a good rule, and those who break it only reinforce in the broader culture the idea that Christians think of God as an old bearded white man living in the sky. The most which is permissible is a hand appearing out of the corner. made ok by ancient usage imo HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:06
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pidan fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:07
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HEY GUNS posted:ok but old icons do a LOT of random poo poo that you can't crack down on I'm not suggesting that we "crack down" so to speak. I'm not going to send some sort of icon gestapo to round them up and burn them. All I'm saying is that the church should maintain good rules, and when people break them, recognize such icons as outside of the canonicity of icon rules. I'm well aware that the depiction of the father is an error made in good faith by genuinely pious people, but that doesn't make these depictions legitimate within the church. I certainly make far worse errors a dozen times a day, but that doesn't make it right.
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Aug 19, 2018 19:09
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pidan posted:Thank you for explaining! Do you always pray the sorrowful rosary? Is that even a thing in English? I follow the traditional rosary schedule (Sorrowful/Joyous/Glorious, etc.) and then also pray the Servite Rosary every day, which is what I think you're talking about. Sometimes called the Chaplet of the Seven Sorrows or the Seven Swords Rosary. It's not...really that popular of a devotion in the US. I think it's more popular in Africa and in continental Europe. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:21
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https://twitter.com/nbcschicago/status/1030959577607667712?s=21
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pidan fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Dec 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2018 19:35
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She threw what looks like a strike too!
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Aug 19, 2018 20:02
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Slimy Hog posted:She threw what looks like a strike too! Pretty sweet. last thread posted:I've been trying to think of a way to put this sensitively for a few days, so please understand I'm not coming from a position of looking down my nose at Catholics here. I think it's right both that the church deserves a lot of scorn for how they've dealt with this, and that there's been something very different with the Catholic Church. As regards this case though, the different thing seems to be exactly the filing cabinets full of records, that just turned out to be incriminating when someone actually read them. When the scandal machine finally makes it to the kind of Southern Baptists who think all sins are equally bad, it'll get ugly.
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Aug 19, 2018 23:35
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Slimy Hog posted:Actually, I'm the shame of Orthodoxy. https://nypost.com/2015/10/04/kinky-orthodox-priest-brought-down-by-cake-porn-sex-tape/
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Aug 19, 2018 23:47
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CountFosco posted:Nope, it's the visual depiction of the father, as this is a theological lie. All of the things that you've described are painting the Russian church in rather broad strokes. Further, you have to remember that Peter the Great dissolved the patriarchate of Moscow and leashed the church leadership directly to his will, under the influence, I might add, of western European "reformers", mainly Dutch, under his plan to "modernize" Russia. So to clarify, because I don't want to misinterpret you here, it's a morally worse thing to do to draw a picture of God than to lead a pogrom?
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Aug 20, 2018 00:05
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twerking on the railroad posted:I think it's right both that the church deserves a lot of scorn for how they've dealt with this, and that there's been something very different with the Catholic Church. As regards this case though, the different thing seems to be exactly the filing cabinets full of records, that just turned out to be incriminating when someone actually read them. well let's turn to the baptists and see what they're saying about paige patterson quote:We thought this was a Roman Catholic problem. The unbiblical requirement of priestly celibacy and the organized conspiracy of silence within the hierarchy helped to explain the cesspool of child sex abuse that has robbed the Roman Catholic Church of so much of its moral authority. When people said that Evangelicals had a similar crisis coming, it didn’t seem plausible — even to me. I have been president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary for twenty-five years. I did not see this coming. uh oh e: also, evangelicals for whatever reason like to perform their sexual violence against women instead of children which makes them much harder to compartmentalize. mark "the best way for a woman to win her husband to Christ is on her knees am I right fellas" driscoll burned his entire denomination to the ground because of his behavior but nobody talks about it for some reason. The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 01:53
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Excellent homily by the priest about the grand jury report. My favorite line “This great Evil must be exposed. This great Evil must be cleansed from the Church like Christ cleansed the Temple in Jerusalem.”
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Aug 20, 2018 01:53
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i went to an orthodox service today and a goon handed me some bread, am i orthodox now? i ate the bread e: also i am very disappointed because my dad said orthodox services were hours and hours long and this was clearly like 90 minutes tops
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Aug 20, 2018 02:54
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i went to an orthodox service today and a goon handed me some bread, am i orthodox now? i ate the bread you aren't orthodox until you have very strong opinions about icons one way or the other also try out an ethiopian orthodox service if you want something longer
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Aug 20, 2018 03:16
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Lutha Mahtin posted:i went to an orthodox service today and a goon handed me some bread, am i orthodox now? i ate the bread Keromaru5 fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 03:43
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Keromaru5 posted:No, that's the antidoron, everybody gets that, Orthodox or not. You're not Orthodox until the priest swabs your hands with oil. your hands? you mean the orthodox don't rub oil all over your face? weak.
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Aug 20, 2018 04:21
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Keromaru5 posted:No, that's the antidoron, everybody gets that,  The Phlegmatist posted:you aren't orthodox until you have very strong opinions about icons one way or the other i'm for em
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Aug 20, 2018 04:32
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Icons are sweet, what kind of dumb Byzantine bans icons.
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The Phlegmatist posted:your hands? you mean the orthodox don't rub oil all over your face? weak.
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Aug 20, 2018 04:56
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Keromaru5 posted:No, IIRC, they do your face, too. Even your ears. Night10194 posted:Icons are sweet, what kind of dumb Byzantine bans icons.
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Aug 20, 2018 12:32
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http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2018/08/20/0578/01246.html#inglPapa Francesco posted:I invite the entire holy faithful People of God to a penitential exercise of prayer and fasting, following the Lord’s command. This can awaken our conscience and arouse our solidarity and commitment to a culture of care that says “never again” to every form of abuse. A good start. Bring on the sackcloth and ashes, and also accept the resignation of Cardinal Wuerl please.
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It's interesting that nobody really seems to be calling for the Vatican itself to be investigated, because it looks to me like they were refusing to laicize priests accused of abuse. Maybe people realize that every member of the laity who comes within 50 miles of the Vatican Bank ends up sleeping with the fishes, though. e: well here we go: https://twitter.com/frrocketdan/status/1031554573947887624 The Phlegmatist fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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