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Has anyone else noticed that every once in a while the show gets really well animated? Or rather, more movement is thrown in? The show is generally well-animated anyway, but some moments like when Dewey finally came clean to Huey and Louie about Della and when Lena/Magica was outside Scrooge’s house at the beginning of the finale for some reason seem especially well-animated.
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dirksteadfast posted:Has anyone else noticed that every once in a while the show gets really well animated? Or rather, more movement is thrown in? The show is generally well-animated anyway, but some moments like when Dewey finally came clean to Huey and Louie about Della and when Lena/Magica was outside Scrooge’s house at the beginning of the finale for some reason seem especially well-animated. That's the nature of animation. Probably has more keyframes for the overseas animators to follow to make for smoother or more animated movement.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:22
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Ages posted:Donald was a war machine that ep i get it!
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Aug 20, 2018 23:35
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Ghost Leviathan posted:So is Della basically Captain Marvel? (the Marvel one) One-duck Fantastic Four Ages posted:Donald was a war machine that ep  My big question I have at this point is how are they going to pull Della back out of the narrative once she's in? Adding a mom figure changes a lot of the character dynamics, and I doubt they'll want to have her around for every episode. I feel like Sitcom Logic dictates that she'll leave again. Maybe she has to go find Dad.
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Aug 21, 2018 04:53
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Pakled posted:Well, (and I'm not using spoiler tags cause the episode's already aired) according to Beakley, Magica has been an enemy of the McDuck Clan for hundreds of years, which means she's old enough that she couldn't possibly have any living nieces unless said niece is also affected by magical life extension poo poo. I don't think Lena being her shadow instead of her niece is a "retcon," rather, I think Lena just called her an aunt because she was grasping for any kind of familial relation. Could be a great-aunt, great-great-great aunt, etc.. Technically Scrooge is great-uncle Scrooge. Donald's father Hortense was Scrooge's brother.
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Aug 21, 2018 05:03
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Could be a great-aunt, great-great-great aunt, etc.. Technically Scrooge is great-uncle Scrooge. Donald's father Hortense was Scrooge's brother. His mom and Scrooge's sister, actually. Hortense is a feminine name. Perry Normal fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 05:38
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Yeah, Donald and Della's father's name is Quackmore.
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Aug 21, 2018 06:25
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Pakled posted:Well, (and I'm not using spoiler tags cause the episode's already aired) according to Beakley, Magica has been an enemy of the McDuck Clan for hundreds of years, which means she's old enough that she couldn't possibly have any living nieces unless said niece is also affected by magical life extension poo poo. I don't think Lena being her shadow instead of her niece is a "retcon," rather, I think Lena just called her an aunt because she was grasping for any kind of familial relation. Yeah, Magica probably doesn't allow the "mother/daughter" terminology that gets used between creators and artificial creations that are on better terms.
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Aug 21, 2018 13:13
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maltesh posted:Yeah, Magica probably doesn't allow the "mother/daughter" terminology that gets used between creators and artificial creations that are on better terms. I'm kinda suspicious that Magicka was not being entirely honest when she said Lena was "never real." I feel like there's probably more to that story. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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Aug 21, 2018 13:18
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maltesh posted:Yeah, Magica probably doesn't allow the "mother/daughter" terminology that gets used between creators and artificial creations that are on better terms. Yeah, I was going to ask why Lena referred to Magica as "aunt" when technically speaking she's her mom but that makes sense. It's interesting that Magica was not only left alive but also with her body intact, I guess this means she'll be popping up in Season 2 now in a role more akin to her original counterpart. Based on the ending and some production photos Lena will probably be coming back at some point as well.
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Aug 21, 2018 15:38
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good, lena owns.
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Aug 21, 2018 16:08
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Impermanent posted:good, lena owns. 
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Aug 21, 2018 17:51
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Anyone else believe that Donald was intentionally incapacitated at the beginning of some episodes in order for the plot to be allowed to happen? Like would Mrs. Beakley have been captured by Black Heron had Donald not been stuck in the pantry, or would the Beagle boys been able to pull off their bank heist had his hands been free?
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Aug 21, 2018 18:25
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Fingers Mazda posted:Anyone else believe that Donald was intentionally incapacitated at the beginning of some episodes in order for the plot to be allowed to happen? That makes sense. Good writing there and good eye spotting that.
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Aug 21, 2018 18:26
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I'd actually say it was the opposite personally, and that constantly giving one character a time out that undercuts them simply to allow a plot to happen is a sign that you should be reshuffling the dynamic of your cast a bit to integrate that one character more naturally or finding better ways to utilize them. Not that I think the show has bad writing outside Donald, and I'm sure lots of people will say that's how he's always been but I barely recall the old show and have only read a few of the comics so I'm just judging him from this show; and in this show he spends 90% of the season as a bad joke surrounding by far better characters so he stands out.
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Aug 21, 2018 19:02
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Agreed. Hopefully they'll integrate him better in season 2!
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Aug 21, 2018 19:22
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tsob posted:I'd actually say it was the opposite personally, and that constantly giving one character a time out that undercuts them simply to allow a plot to happen is a sign that you should be reshuffling the dynamic of your cast a bit to integrate that one character more naturally or finding better ways to utilize them. Not that I think the show has bad writing outside Donald, and I'm sure lots of people will say that's how he's always been but I barely recall the old show and have only read a few of the comics so I'm just judging him from this show; and in this show he spends 90% of the season as a bad joke surrounding by far better characters so he stands out. The thing about this show's writing is that it's having to work around ninety or so year's worth of legacy elements. Donald Duck spent most of his formative years as basically Mickey's angry frenemy. Then he got spun off into his own separate comic Carl Barks basically created Scrooge McDuck, Duckburg, etc., as a way to springboard off of Donald Duck, away from the larger Disney universe, into his own private little Duckworld. Donald still had a recurring role but he wasn't really the main character -- they were Scrooge comics far more than they were Donald comics, like when Peter Parker shows up in an Iron Man comic it's still an Iron Man comic not a Spider Man comic. The 1980's show wrote Donald out almost entirely for what I believe were licensing / rights reasons (replacing him with Launchpad for the most part) which seems weird but it's no weirder than the choice to write H, L, and D's parents out of the older comics (think about it -- we still don't know their dad's name!) The current incarnation of the show is trying to simultaneously 1) Recapture the adventure and joy of the Scrooge McDuck Comics and the 1980's show, while also 2) Adding depth and breadth to the characters (Webby is no longer just a "girls are adorable babies" gag; H, D, & L are no longer interchangeable), and 3) tackling all those meta-fictional legacy questions like "why isn't Donald around more" or "what happened to H,D,&L's parents?" head on instead of just ignoring them. It's a hard tightrope to walk and I like that the writers actually bothered to set up answers for questions like "why didn't Donald stop Black Heron if he's such a good fighter" instead of just wink-and-nodding such things as has been the traditional approach.
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Aug 21, 2018 19:47
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:(think about it -- we still don't know their dad's name!) We know the names of both of them.
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Aug 22, 2018 01:08
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:We know the names of both of them. We do? It's not in the duck family tree! Link?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:We do? It's not in the duck family tree! Link? Osborne and Taliaferro.
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Aug 22, 2018 01:13
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*Sigh* before you added the links I was momentarily excited Now just disappoint
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Aug 22, 2018 01:17
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Donald Duck DID appear in the 80s show in the pilot and a few other episodes iirc, they didn't use him apparently mostly out of a mix of not wanting Donald to overshadow the rest of the characters, and because they were worried that a primary character being near-unintelligible would turn viewers off. Ironically, new Ducktales probably is helped a bit by how Scrooge is more fresh in the mind and iconic and Donald Duck and the other Disney classic characters have faded from the public eye a bit from neglect. (In English speaking countries anyway. And I'm not sure how much Kingdom Hearts fans care about Donald and Goofy compared to all the porn-bait handsome young men) I think the series finale in context with Donald's other spotlight episodes is meant to show a few things; that Donald IS a pretty badass adventurer and powerful brawler, he's just also a bumbling bad-tempered guy who tends to struggle with tasks more complex than 'wreck everything/one in your path' when he gets mad, and he gets mad very easily.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:*Sigh* before you added the links I was momentarily excited Expecting anything but disappointment from Bravest is a fools errand
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Aug 22, 2018 02:18
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The next time Magica shows up, I want Donald to break out all his wizard powers. And then continually cast Curaga in lieu of doing anything useful.
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Aug 22, 2018 02:32
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I haven't really been following this thread, but I finally caught the exciting two part finally and I'd like to share my thoughts, but before I do, what is the spoiler etiquette here? I have a lot of thoughts, and I'm pretty sure most of it would be spoilers, so if I could just wait a week from the air date or whatever and be allowed to post it bare, I'll probably do that.
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Schwarzwald posted:I haven't really been following this thread, but I finally caught the exciting two part finally and I'd like to share my thoughts, but before I do, what is the spoiler etiquette here? Pretty sure the general policy is that once it's actually aired on TV, chat away.
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Aug 22, 2018 05:03
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Been reading the old Barks comics. This stuff is so fun. I just wish it came out in a more serialized time so each individual story could be longer.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:My big question I have at this point is how are they going to pull Della back out of the narrative once she's in? Adding a mom figure changes a lot of the character dynamics, and I doubt they'll want to have her around for every episode. I feel like Sitcom Logic dictates that she'll leave again. Maybe she has to go find Dad. ehhhhh... I don't think she needs to be pulled back out of the narrative, especially since a good part of the show thus far has been building up her character for the first time in her 80+years of existence. She also doesn't need to be in every episode even if she remains a part of the overall narrative, since i don't think any character has been in every episode of the show (except maaaybe dewey?). Having her just up and leave on her own after her return might be a bit dodgy to justify without making her seem like a complete piece of poo poo to a good chunk of the fanbase. "thanks for raising my kids for over a decade! well, seeya!"
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Apologies if this was posted before (I forget where I first saw this) but I want to gush over this super cool fan-made poster. https://twitter.com/lechepop/status/1031241451315707905 it's so good!
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Aug 22, 2018 18:24
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That's fantastic.
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Aug 22, 2018 18:49
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Pretty sure the general policy is that once it's actually aired on TV, chat away. Ok, cool. My thoughts on the exciting two parter: I didn't like it. Two reasons: 1) The show really upsells Magica's power, to the point where she was too strong to be believably defeated in combat... and then she's defeated in combat. Compare this with Aladdin's Jafar. The movie shows that he's too mighty for Aladdin to fight, so he wins by tricking Jafar into a greedy wish with consequences he hadn't considered. In Ducktales, Magica just forgets she's all powerful long enough for Scrooge's extended family to dog pile her. It's especially weird because the episode has a set up for how she could be overcome, and just doesn't use it. The episode explains that Lena wasn't Magica's neice, but was a facet of Magica herself. That is, there's a part of Magica that wants a life outside of her yearnings for revenge and power, that was vulnerable and lonely, that could find genuine friendship with a young girl. Would drawing that aspect of her back into herself have affected her? Might this reunification of her good parts and her evil parts in her disjointed personality lead to some inner conflict? Could this part of her be appealed to? Nah. Lena shows up as a glowy shadow, blocks a magic bullet, and then gets clobbered three seconds later. Woo hoo. I don't want to say it sucked to see an all powerful witch get repeatedly juked by a bunch of assholes, because that should still kick rear end, even if the show drops a plot to make it happen. It should be the easiest thing in the world to make a megalomaniacal super villain get clowned on by a bunch of jackasses fun to watch. But somehow it fails to do that, and why it fails ties into my second reason: 2) The way the family reconciliation was handled was unbelievable, and worse, boring. Mrs. Beakley bring the kids and the dad together with something like this: "I know the way your uncle behaved toward you was contemptible, but you have to forgive them because if you think about it, aren't they suffering more than anyone?" (That's one hell of a thing to hear on a childrens cartoon, but let's put that aside for now.) I don't have a problem with Mrs. Beakley being manipulative, just as I don't have a problem with Scrooge being a morally gray character, but I don't believe that Donald and the kids would buy into that, or so quickly. It felt really unearned, and there was no real resolution. The family just decides that, "oh wait, Scrooge actually deserves our love after all. Gosh, good thing we recovered our wits before we had to commit to any decisions -- and just in time to bail out Scrooge from dealing with the consequences of his lifetime of making enemies catching up to him!" So not only are the triplets legitimate grievances swept under the rug, they're done so in service of preventing anything interesting from happening. And it's Mrs. "Well, you've successfully pushed your family and everyone who cared about you away. Again. I hope you're happy. I am." Beakley who brings it about. And that's why seeing an all powerful witch get repeatedly bewildered by a geriatric and his clan was somehow not actually entertaining: because the show manages to make Magica's defeat the most boring of all possible outcomes. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Aug 22, 2018 |
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Legtimate concerns, though I did notice that what won Louie over in the reconciliation-speech was learning that Scrooge nearly bankrupted himself searching for Della. Not just in a 'Oh, he loves her more than money' way, but also recognising that he did make a very legitimate attempt to right what went wrong. Plus, Dewey starts to have his 'Ok, I'm still mad at you talk' before rightly realising that the middle of a battle with a witch isn't the right time for such things. It doesn't feel like all is forgiven, rather that they're in a place where they can work towards it.
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Just watched the episode. I loved Donald in this. He's always the bumbling uncle but then gets
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Donald Duck DID appear in the 80s show in the pilot and a few other episodes iirc, they didn't use him apparently mostly out of a mix of not wanting Donald to overshadow the rest of the characters, and because they were worried that a primary character being near-unintelligible would turn viewers off. This is a very valid concern and I remain baffled that no one else in the thread seems to agree, because comics exist.
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Schwarzwald posted:Ok, cool. My thoughts on the exciting two parter: I didn't like it. I think you missed something. Lena was not an aspect of Magica but just a construct that gained some life. Magica never would have been affected by her changes. Two Magica only has difficulty with the Ducks whenever she is seperated from the Dime, which gives her a big boost. She lost the dime in a sneak attack by Webby and went on the defensive, but once she got it back she easily overpowers them, until she gets separated from it again.
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Aug 22, 2018 23:58
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Why is the dime magic? I thought it was just a sentimental item for scrooge.
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Impermanent posted:Why is the dime magic? I thought it was just a sentimental item for scrooge. This is correct. However in Magica's Hands she can use it as a powerful talisman. As it is the greatest symbol of Scrooge's fortune.
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There's at least one story that goes with the idea that Scrooge is so kickass that the dime has developed magical properties because of it.
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Aug 23, 2018 01:18
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They showed the friendship bracelet becoming magic due to sentimentality, so of course the dime did.
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If I had a dime for every magic user who went all "I am invincible!" while, in fact, they relied on an easily-broken object for their powers, I'd have my own money closet.
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