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Arcsquad12 posted:Even with the teddy bear massacre there's some fun slapstick involving the speeder bikes. And the stop motion walkers are cool. Really, the Ewok hate seems to have developed later and while I understand disliking it, it hardly breaks the film. Jar-Jar acted like a massive heat sink to suddenly make the Ewoks not seem so bad in comparison. Also the Galactic Empire was run by utter morons from the janitor at the farthest backwater two-man guard station right up to Emperor Palpatine, so I can totally buy them getting worked over by Ewoks.
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CharlestheHammer posted:One day Disney will make a movie as good as parts of ROTJ. Probably not. Despite appearing otherwise on the surface, Star Wars doesn't really have a lot of story options. Any plot has to relate to the important parts of the franchise, so the Rebellion, the Empire or the Force. And since RotJ actually but a lid on all the three of these, I doubt we ever anything Star Wars related that is more than a rehash.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Even with the teddy bear massacre there's some fun slapstick involving the speeder bikes. And the stop motion walkers are cool. Really, the Ewok hate seems to have developed later and while I understand disliking it, it hardly breaks the film. While the Bears thing gets a lot of flack because it’s an easy joke, I think it’s the fact Han and Leia spend a rather large amount of it standing in front a door is what most people actively dislike
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CharlestheHammer posted:While the Bears thing gets a lot of flack because it’s an easy joke, I think it’s the fact Han and Leia spend a rather large amount of it standing in front a door is what most people actively dislike True enough, they don't get much to do, while Chewie gets to play Tarzan. Also, the rebel commandos pretty much vanish for the whole fight, which I thought was strange. It's certainly not a bad scene, but it could have been done better. Then again, most of the scenes on Endor are just wandering around the California redwoods for hours at a time and then occasionally switching to action sequences. Endor is rather lazily shot compared to the Tatooine and space scenes.
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Puppy Time posted:I was thinking more the version seen in stuff like God's Not Dead, where atheists don't actually reject the premise of a deity in the first place, they're just pretending not to believe because they're mad at God for some immature reason and just need a terrible thing to happen to them so they change their minds and convert. Well, evangelical fiction is really for atheists or people questioning their faith, it's a shot in the arm for the faith of people who are already true believers. Therefore, atheists only ever fall into two camps that can be easily resolved in the third act to get them to believe again: (1) Actually believing in God, but denying it because of some past tragedy or (2) Somehow managing to have never actually heard of Jesus in the United States, a country that celebrates Christmas for approximately 2 straight months (see: Chick Tracts). Bonus points are awarded for a deathbed conversion.
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Puppy Time posted:I'm thinking more that Western attempts at anime feel a lot like a cargo cult approach to it, where everything is thrown together into a weird stew with no regard for genre applicability, for example. It'd be like if our superhero movies also featured slapstick comedy scenes, laser dogfights in outer space, and Disney style animal sidekicks, whether or not any of that was appropriate for the story. Gives off the same kind of vibe as when like Christian movies are trying to depict atheists but never bothered to pay attention to actual atheists. *Teen Titans wasn't that great.
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Acute Grill posted:A country that celebrates Christmas for approximately FTFY
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Leal posted:I have a bunch of things I've thought of about why creepypasta is bad. It mostly boils down to the stories being any combination of the following 3 things: Horror writing needs a delicate hand to build dread and fear, and subtlety doesn't come easy to most edgy teen writers who'd rather just add more details about how much blood was coming from Sonic's eyes. Like fanfic, you hope the ones who really are into the craft and not the "imma make my self-insert a meme!" factor go on to better things over time.
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stillvisions posted:Horror writing needs a delicate hand to build dread and fear, and subtlety doesn't come easy to most edgy teen writers who'd rather just add more details about how much blood was coming from Sonic's eyes. Like fanfic, you hope the ones who really are into the craft and not the "imma make my self-insert a meme!" factor go on to better things over time. Maybe I'm alone on this notion, but the concept of video game creepypastas is something that I think can work if executed properly. Ghosts and cursed games veer into silliness, but a game glitching out or exhibiting undocumented or strange behavior can be really off-putting and discomforting. I found a blog post (done by a goon, actually) where they made up a story about discovering a quest in Fallout 2 called 'The Auger', where after exploring the area, the game starts acting erratically. It works because it presents it in a way where it's just documenting what happens, rather than trying to make it some paranormal encounter.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I think the problem may be that I haven't seen enough bad western anime but I have seen a lot of bad tropey Japanese anime, which tend to fail at basic storytelling due to sticking to dumb animeisms. If western anime outside of like the three good ones everyone has seen (Avatar, Steven Universe, and I guess Teen Titans*) fails similarly I have to concede ignorance. My complaint isn't "is tropey," it's "misuses tropes in ways that make it clear they're not that familiar with the source." Teen Titans kind of had some of it going on, but you'll mostly find it in the lesser stuff.
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Puppy Time posted:My complaint isn't "is tropey," it's "misuses tropes in ways that make it clear they're not that familiar with the source." Teen Titans kind of had some of it going on, but you'll mostly find it in the lesser stuff. The Teen Titans cartoon I think was around the same time the manga boom in the US hit, so I think a lot of companies (well, comic companies, anyway) were trying to capitalize on it. Remember there were all those "manga" style adaptations of Marvel properties like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Punisher?
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Max Wilco posted:Maybe I'm alone on this notion, but the concept of video game creepypastas is something that I think can work if executed properly. Ghosts and cursed games veer into silliness, but a game glitching out or exhibiting undocumented or strange behavior can be really off-putting and discomforting. Pale Luna is one of the best game creepypastas imo, just because it’s short and relatively understated. The Auger owns, and the Petscop series is neat even if there’s still a chance of it entirely disappearing up its own rear end.
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Puppy Time posted:My complaint isn't "is tropey," it's "misuses tropes in ways that make it clear they're not that familiar with the source." Teen Titans kind of had some of it going on, but you'll mostly find it in the lesser stuff.
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nine-gear crow posted:Jar-Jar acted like a massive heat sink to suddenly make the Ewoks not seem so bad in comparison. Also the Galactic Empire was run by utter morons from the janitor at the farthest backwater two-man guard station right up to Emperor Palpatine, so I can totally buy them getting worked over by Ewoks.
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Nick Nocturne went up and owned up to his fuckup. And more importantly he said it was his fault for ruining his friendship with Nyx and told his fans to not go after her. Yay he avoided the nonapology. Now for me to see if he can avoid going full chud.
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Max Wilco posted:The Teen Titans cartoon I think was around the same time the manga boom in the US hit, so I think a lot of companies (well, comic companies, anyway) were trying to capitalize on it. Remember there were all those "manga" style adaptations of Marvel properties like Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, and Punisher? Don't forget the Mass Effect anime! Actually yes, please forget it - for your own sake.
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TheMaestroso posted:Don't forget the Mass Effect anime! Actually yes, please forget it - for your own sake. What about the Dante's Inferno anime or the Dead Space anime? These are things that exist because EA. They also made a dragon age one that managed to be even worse and had the animation quality of a motion comic.
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Arcsquad12 posted:What about the Dante's Inferno anime or the Dead Space anime? I thought the Dead Space one was supposed to be decent?
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My favorite manga version of a western comic was definetly the X-men manga put out by Tokyopop. It was a shoujo romance manga starring Kitty Pride and the Hellfire Club was basically the Ouran host club.
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Thundersword238 posted:My favorite manga version of a western comic was definetly the X-men manga put out by Tokyopop. It was a shoujo romance manga starring Kitty Pride and the Hellfire Club was basically the Ouran host club. i cant believe this one post completely redeemed this thread
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Thundersword238 posted:My favorite manga version of a western comic was definetly the X-men manga put out by Tokyopop. It was a shoujo romance manga starring Kitty Pride and the Hellfire Club was basically the Ouran host club. This sounds truer to Claremont's X-Men than most modern X-Men comics.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I thought the Dead Space one was supposed to be decent? I wouldn’t call it good or anything but it is at least suitable gorey.
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Yay, Jenny Nicholson digs into obscure internetia for our viewing amusement again!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmy4FMwug0Q
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McGriel sounds like such a nice guy. I hope there's a whole genre of that stuff with like a burning skeleton who reminds you to practice self care or a glowing pyramid that appears at night to remind you that you'll find the right person when you're ready.
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re: western anime you all missed Dreamworks Voltron, and I highly recommend it even though it's rough in parts. latest season is really worth it. It's very silly when it's doing comedy but the serious parts are unlike any other Western cartoon, the protagonists become a very thoughtful and professional military team. Annointed posted:Nick Nocturne went up and owned up to his fuckup. And more importantly he said it was his fault for ruining his friendship with Nyx and told his fans to not go after her. Yay he avoided the nonapology. Now for me to see if he can avoid going full chud. nn failing was posted in the thread, so I want to put his current apology on record https://twitter.com/NM_NickNocturne/status/1033988519436406784 https://twitter.com/NM_NickNocturne/status/1033989272272035840 https://twitter.com/NM_NickNocturne/status/1033994757087944704 https://twitter.com/NM_NickNocturne/status/1034002256952217601 Absurd Alhazred posted:Yay, Jenny Nicholson digs into obscure internetia for our viewing amusement again! awwww poo poo I remember so many of these, like the midnight game or the keepers and all that. I kind of miss when I was dumb enough to find weird things people wrote on the internet wondrous and creepy instead of just feeling nothing.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yay, Jenny Nicholson digs into obscure internetia for our viewing amusement again! in my opinon the biggest problem with horror is when it goes overboard with explanations. i honestly blame theorists video types partialy for this.
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Patrick Willems talks about plot holes and internet culture, with a couple digs at our favorite idiot film pedantry channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9HivyjAKlc
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GrandpaPants posted:Patrick Willems talks about plot holes and internet culture, with a couple digs at our favorite idiot film pedantry channel: Perfection! Utter perfection! I would have put the blame on the early days of internet criticism, like Nostalgia Critic and all that, for the rise of that cheap kind of nerd criticism. The worst part of this plot hole mentality is that some filmmakers have caved towards it. As Lindsay Ellis pointed out in her Beauty and the Beast vid, that movie is the filmmakers trying to explain/bandage over the EPIC PLOT HOLES the original Disney classic had, and it's wretched for it.
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GrandpaPants posted:Patrick Willems talks about plot holes and internet culture, with a couple digs at our favorite idiot film pedantry channel: good poo poo. DoubleCakes posted:Perfection! Utter perfection! yeah, everyone wants to feel smart about some dumb film poo poo and then they pedantically gurgle about it. sometimes leaving stuff unexplained or for you to put together is better. it leads into my dislike of lore/theory channels. i don't mind some, there are some good ones. but most of them just regurgitate the same 5 games/movies and its always the same theories or some poo poo. and then the creators bend over backwards to validate them. its why i liked TLJ. it didnt do that.
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Chris Davis on Baldur's Gate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTrl1lr_hLU
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Chris Davis on Baldur's Gate: respect to the Extra Credits shout out, I like this guy
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Goa Tse-tung posted:respect to the Extra Credits shout out, I like this guy what's to respect about extra credits these days
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Yay, Jenny Nicholson digs into obscure internetia for our viewing amusement again! business hammocks posted:a burning skeleton who reminds you to practice self care
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http://sfdebris.com/videos/anime/mobilesuitgundam3.php Chuck finishes his look at the Mobile Suit Gundam film trilogy. His conclusion is pretty much the same as I have, that the films are at best a primer for the franchise, but not the best way to start watching Gundam or 0079 in particular. I just hope he hasn't been put off from the rest of the franchise due to his struggle getting through these films.
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Theryn Meyer is back talking about why she left YouTube. She's on a new channel because she couldn't deal with the folks already subscribed to her after the last vid she put out. Much less political and much more funnier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4u-Pua2jPg
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Max Wilco posted:Maybe I'm alone on this notion, but the concept of video game creepypastas is something that I think can work if executed properly. Ghosts and cursed games veer into silliness, but a game glitching out or exhibiting undocumented or strange behavior can be really off-putting and discomforting. Oh, no argument it can't be done well, I think fault lies more with the messenger than the medium or the setting. I've been watching petscop and hoping it keeps the slow creepy burn, and there's no reasons games can't join the stories of haunted buildings, cursed artifacts, songs of death etc. I mean hell, the concept has been around since Polybius at least (that was early 2000s?), I think the trouble arises when people keep trying to top the last one, and the Monty Python level of sillyness when people apparently manage to write down their being murdered.
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Wow, good on Night Mind for apparently having a spine about things. Those posts look like he's actually trying to address the problem, instead of making it go away.
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GrandpaPants posted:Patrick Willems talks about plot holes and internet culture, with a couple digs at our favorite idiot film pedantry channel: So I'm going to be that rear end in a top hat that raises objections to a couple of the arguments, even though I agree with core message of the video. His first example about with 'How did Bruce Wayne get back to Gotham in Dark Knight Rises' I think is a bad example. I get that we don't need to literally see Bruce Wayne board a plane and fly back to the US and disembark, but it's a question of how he was able to secure transport out if he didn't have money, proof of identification, etc. You can hand-wave that away as not being crucial to the film, and I agree, but it's not very satisfying. I agree with the crux of his video, but I think there is a difference between needless nitpicking about error and inconsistencies, and how enough errors can build up and weight something down. There's an article series by Shamus Young critiquing the Thieves' Guild questline in Skyrim, and also refers to an previous write-up he did on plot holes and story collapse (some of it based on critiques done by Film Crit Hulk) I've also heard it said that John Carpenter's 'The Thing' serves as an example of a horror movie where the characters behave rationally throughout (maybe not 100%, but I still haven't seen The Thing yet.) Also, I don't know why, but with the digs at Cinema Sins in the video, and just some general dismissals of it here and there, I now have this feeling that eventually Jeremy is eventually going to snap.
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Max Wilco posted:So I'm going to be that rear end in a top hat that raises objections to a couple of the arguments, even though I agree with core message of the video. Do you think that following the process of Wayne securing transportation is going to improve the film at all? Like, back in the day, that sort of stuff was just treated as fanwank fodder, so nitpicky dweebs on discussion fora could have fun coming up with scenarios of varying levels of believability to solve the perceived problems. The rest of the world doesn't care, because the solution not only doesn't matter, but would probably gently caress up the pace of the movie. But nope, now we have to treat every bit of unexplained minutiae like some sort of story-ruining gotcha, because apparently the point isn't character arcs or cohesion or catharsis, it's making a plot that's completely bulletproof against every single pedantic nerd who's only interested in surface details.
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