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Yeah, that's literally "the feature that lets blind people browse the web", and it's worth disabling if you don't use tools like NVDA/JAWS, but it's not spyware. (Before I clicked the link, I felt pretty confident it was going to take me to an article about telemetry or shield studies, which are closer to actual "spyware", though telemetry at least doesn't actually bother me.)Klyith posted:No. That thing you just cited is not the mozilla spyware*... Technically I don't think that's spyware either, it's just stupid.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Technically I don't think that's spyware either, it's just stupid. Should have put a sarcasm mark on that, pocket is actually a pretty innocuous design for people who don't make an account with it. At least, innocuous on mozilla's part. The third parties that mozilla is getting "trending stories" from are probably a completely different story. speaking of browsing while institutionally paranoid, is anyone fully into using the container tabs stuff? I keep thinking I should set up a system with that, but haven't bothered to yet. if container tabs could also isolate history I'd be so into that.
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I use containers but mainly just to manage multiple accounts on sites that don't really support that well. I've considered writing something like a generalization of Facebook containers where you could specify rules for what goes where (possibly defaulting to every host in its own container) but that's gonna have to go in the back of my personal project queue, which is already quite long.
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Klyith posted:Should have put a sarcasm mark on that, pocket is actually a pretty innocuous design for people who don't make an account with it. At least, innocuous on mozilla's part. The third parties that mozilla is getting "trending stories" from are probably a completely different story. I'm personally using the Facebook Container extension, and it's pretty great. I'd like to containerize Google stuff as well using the full-featured container app, but I haven't bothered yet.
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Klyith posted:speaking of browsing while institutionally paranoid, is anyone fully into using the container tabs stuff? I keep thinking I should set up a system with that, but haven't bothered to yet. if container tabs could also isolate history I'd be so into that. I just turn on first-party isolation and every domain I visit gets its own "container". I'm told it can break logins on some sites but I haven't encountered any problems at all. That plus uBlock Origin and Cookie AutoDelete makes it a lot harder for trackers to keep tabs on me.
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Powered Descent posted:I just turn on first-party isolation and every domain I visit gets its own "container". I'm told it can break logins on some sites but I haven't encountered any problems at all. I've had problems with it when it comes to logging into my ISP to watch streaming sports. I use chrome at that point for it.
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I use containers for Amazon, Google and Facebook and otherwise set Forget Me Not to auto delete cookies as I close tabs, with reddit and SA whitelisted. I have no problems with any websites. I used to use NoScript but it broke a LOT of poo poo and whitelisting everything was hit-or-miss still. End of the day, I just hope that my pihole, Adguard, containers, and cookie deleter is enough to keep me reasonably private/safe.
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jokes posted:I use containers for Amazon, Google and Facebook and otherwise set Forget Me Not to auto delete cookies as I close tabs, with reddit and SA whitelisted. I have no problems with any websites. I used to use NoScript but it broke a LOT of poo poo and whitelisting everything was hit-or-miss still. What is AdGuard, an extension? Use uBlock Origin imo, guaranteed to be more efficient and block more. Also, what is the intended function of the Pihole if you’re using an ad blocker in-browser?
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wooger posted:What is AdGuard, an extension? Use uBlock Origin imo, guaranteed to be more efficient and block more. uBlock seems to have google analytics and related stuff permanently whitelisted. Pihole is an added layer of blocking.
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jokes posted:I use containers for Amazon, Google and Facebook and otherwise set Forget Me Not to auto delete cookies as I close tabs, with reddit and SA whitelisted. I have no problems with any websites. I used to use NoScript but it broke a LOT of poo poo and whitelisting everything was hit-or-miss still. I love NoScript, but good lord can it it take some messing about to get some sites working.
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iospace posted:uBlock seems to have google analytics and related stuff permanently whitelisted. Pihole is an added layer of blocking. As far as I know, uBlock doesn't have any hidden whitelist - it's all part of whatever filters you have subscribed/set up. Regarding Google Analytics in particular, there appears to be a neutered script redirect to minimize page breakage, and Firefox treats AMO as a privileged site and prevents all WebExtensions from modifying page elements there. If you think Google Analytics is still working where it shouldn't be after filters are applied I'm sure people would be interested in knowing so they can fix the filters.
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The comment on the redirect is two years old and probably needs to be followed up on to see if it's still in the deployed version of the extension.iospace posted:uBlock seems to have google analytics and related stuff permanently whitelisted. Pihole is an added layer of blocking. uBlock Origin (which is not the same thing as just uBlock, which I wouldn't put it past to do something like this) blocks Google Analytics just fine on my end? But also I turned on most of the optional blocklists (other than uBlock Experimental and the regional ones). It doesn't block Google APIs, sure, but as pervasive as Google's become, blocking those is almost 'disable Javascript' levels of 'well that about wraps it up for the Web'. Did you check the My filters, My rules and Whitelist tabs in its dashboard for stray entries? Or backup and then reset uBlock Origin from its Settings tab. dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I love NoScript, but good lord can it it take some messing about to get some sites working. The Tragedy of NoScript *website doesn't work* "Okay, let's temporarily allow scripts from this domain." *website still doesn't work* "Hmm... let's temporarily allow this CDN and this one that I think has something to do with video." *website still doesn't work* "Dang it. Okay, I'll just set all to temporarily trusted." *website still doesn't work* "Really? Eleven more domains asking for permissions now? Fine, temporarily trust all, AGAIN." *website still doesn't work* "gently caress it, disable all restrictions for this tab. I don't care." *website still doesn't work* "God drat it. I give up, let's try it in Chrome." *website works* 
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hot tip for android firefox users: the app still gets janky over time, just much slower than it used to before quantum. it's a little more insidious too, because one of the things that used to alert me to slowdown (lag in the appearance of the search and search-history boxes when you start typing in the address bar) doesn't happen anymore. so if your browser seems slow and even some of your other apps do too, mysteriously, look into clearing stuff in-app or even clearing the app data/cache through the OS mechanism.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:I love NoScript, but good lord can it it take some messing about to get some sites working. Try uMatrix, from the uBlock Origin author. Does the same script blocking as NoScript and some of the cross site stuff, but the interface for turning stuff back on is much better. It doesn't cover everything noscript does, but it's much simpler and faster.
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wooger posted:What is AdGuard, an extension? Use uBlock Origin imo, guaranteed to be more efficient and block more. There's an extension and an app you can load on your PC that applies your block lists computerwide. It also allows for more functionality. It has a nice UI and it's not shady, in fact the founder has (had?) a blog where he'd do little investigations into random apps and extensions to expose privacy violations like phoning home. PiHole (and the adguard app) allow for another layer of protection from bullshit in case something gets through or is blocked by a different protocol. Pihole also can't do what browser blockers do like element hiding, and browser blockers can't block network activity from behind the scenes well like a PiHole can.
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EoRaptor posted:Try uMatrix, from the uBlock Origin author. Does the same script blocking as NoScript and some of the cross site stuff, but the interface for turning stuff back on is much better. Or just turn on dynamic blocking in uBlock Origin. The way it works is fairly fast to understand if you have experience with NoScript. It's in the addon settings, under Settings as "I am an advanced user".
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I like and use uBlock Origin - can't browse without it. But gently caress me if the Dynamic Filtering UI makes sense. It's god-awful. Surely there must be a clearer way of expressing it?
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Sergeant Rock posted:I like and use uBlock Origin - can't browse without it. Unless you use it without learning how it works, I don't see what information isn't clearly readable from the UI? It's probably not perfect but it seems completely serviceable to me. Read fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Aug 28, 2018 |
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Huh, I just realized that mobile Firefox's Reading List is completely inaccessible from desktop instances of Firefox. It looks like Mozilla has no intention of bridging this gap - I found a bug in Firefox's Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082011) but it was closed three years ago; I couldn't find anything more recent. I'm guessing their acquisition and integration of Pocket probably did away with their Reading List ambitions?
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IAmKale posted:Huh, I just realized that mobile Firefox's Reading List is completely inaccessible from desktop instances of Firefox. It looks like Mozilla has no intention of bridging this gap - I found a bug in Firefox's Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1082011) but it was closed three years ago; I couldn't find anything more recent. I'm guessing their acquisition and integration of Pocket probably did away with their Reading List ambitions? Pocket is a Mozilla joint now. They don't need to pull a Microsoft with the mobile reading list.
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jokes posted:There's an extension and an app you can load on your PC that applies your block lists computerwide. It also allows for more functionality. It has a nice UI and it's not shady, in fact the founder has (had?) a blog where he'd do little investigations into random apps and extensions to expose privacy violations like phoning home. A: I don’t understand how a desktop app can see what content my browser is accessing and apply lists. Firefox e.g. has an https connection to a site. uBlock Origin is inside the browser, so it can see the content, analyze & modify it as needed with the blocklists. How can any app outside the browser see what’s being loaded other than simple network requests by domain? Same for ad blocking. Unless there’s some facility I’m missing, AdGuard desktop will be garbage compared to uBlock in-browser. And the extension uses at least 3x the CPU vs uBlock Origin. B: Re Pihole, I don’t understand what you mean by “blocking network activity behind the scenes”. Do you mean acting as a firewall? Do you mean detecting outgoing connections from your network? Other than that, uBlock Origin can certainly block any network activity coming in to your browser. I *guess* I can see the point in Pihole/Adsuck or similar network level blockers if you use a bunch of devices that can’t run an adblocker at all, but given that they’re much worse than the blockers in a desktop browser or Phone browser (iPhone Safari), and also more hassle to disable when something breaks, I won’t bother.
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wooger posted:A: I don’t understand how a desktop app can see what content my browser is accessing and apply lists. Firefox e.g. has an https connection to a site. uBlock Origin is inside the browser, so it can see the content, analyze & modify it as needed with the blocklists. Maybe they install a local MITM proxy and mess with your certificate trust store.
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wooger posted:A: I don’t understand how a desktop app can see what content my browser is accessing and apply lists. Firefox e.g. has an https connection to a site. uBlock Origin is inside the browser, so it can see the content, analyze & modify it as needed with the blocklists.
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wooger posted:B: Re Pihole, I don’t understand what you mean by “blocking network activity behind the scenes”. Do you mean acting as a firewall? Do you mean detecting outgoing connections from your network? so you're saying the only computer program or phone app you use is the web browser. also you don't have any smart devices. also you don't use any modern commercial operating system on any device. why yes, someone who, like, only uses firefox on a stripped down linux install would not have much benefit for pihole. however, for every person in the world who doesn't have your incredibly niche use case, pihole has its uses and benefits
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wooger posted:A: I don’t understand how a desktop app can see what content my browser is accessing and apply lists. Firefox e.g. has an https connection to a site. uBlock Origin is inside the browser, so it can see the content, analyze & modify it as needed with the blocklists. PiHole is just a DNS server for your local network that has a blacklist of domains (advertising, malware, etc) for which it won't give the valid IP. That's all. So requests your web browser makes for nasty-ad-trackers.com/annoying-blinking-ad.gif and requests your IoT toaster makes for botnet-control-network.ru won't connect. Never used the AdGuard app, not sure what it does. But it's probably something similar, except just the local PC.
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You can also just not buy a $35 garbage computer and instead use hosts files or set up your router to do the same thing. 
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This started popping up on random webpages but also just whenever I start firefox with no page loaded yet: Anyone else experienced this, should I get rid of Ublock?
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Is that an actual Internet security application you have installed, or is that the malware? Wouldn't be surprised if it's hitting false positives due to the uBlock filter cache.
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Thanks, yep the popup itself is from my antivirus, just the source is a concern.
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Avalerion posted:Thanks, yep the popup itself is from my antivirus, just the source is a concern. whatever BSBT INTERNET SECURITY is, it probably sucks
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Klyith posted:whatever BSBT INTERNET SECURITY is, it probably sucks Antivirus software is bad etc., but it's "ESET" 
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Why would you buy an antivirus software. Use Windows Defender, if anything at all. You can enable protection against adware (PUAProtection) and Network Protection (against dangerous URLs) for added security https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...ender-antivirus https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/threat-protection/windows-defender-exploit-guard/enable-network-protection
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Klyith posted:whatever BSBT INTERNET SECURITY is, it probably sucks This is undoubtedly true. I’d trust Gorhill’s competence & integrity far above any antivirus software I’ve used - it’s all sketchy and causes more problems than it solves. If this is your personal PC, junk the antivirus and use Windows security essentials. Lutha Mahtin posted:so you're saying the only computer program or phone app you use is the web browser. also you don't have any smart devices. also you don't use any modern commercial operating system on any device. why yes, someone who, like, only uses firefox on a stripped down linux install would not have much benefit for pihole. however, for every person in the world who doesn't have your incredibly niche use case, pihole has its uses and benefits The only apps I use that access the web are web browsers, yes. Every app with a web browser embedded on iPhone is using the same Safari ad blocking. Other apps access the internet, but aren’t going to be randomly accessing ads (or showing any), and anyway are likely using secure connections that can’t be messed with. e.g. iPhone apps use pinned certificates (or whatever the latest equivalent is). Blocking things would likely break stuff. I can’t see any route outside of web browsing where Pihole would be of any benefit to me, and that’s covered. Does piHole not cause anti adblocking to trigger on many common sites, stopping them from working? TalkLittle posted:Maybe they install a local MITM proxy and mess with your certificate trust store. Nah, that’d be ropey & prone to failure ( I used to do that for web/app analytics debugging in a former job) . I’m sure they just block connections by domain as others have said.
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Avalerion posted:This started popping up on random webpages but also just whenever I start firefox with no page loaded yet: Got the same thing on a PC at work today. 99,99% false positive. wooger posted:This is undoubtedly true. I’d trust Gorhill’s competence & integrity far above any antivirus software I’ve used - it’s all sketchy and causes more problems than it solves. yeah, this
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Security Essentials is Defender on Windows 10.
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ESET is probably the only company I'd ever buy antivirus from, so I'd say they're trustworthy overall, but it's probably just a false positive.
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wooger posted:If this is your personal PC, junk the antivirus and use Windows security essentials. bronin posted:yeah, this Huh. For some reason, I was under the impression that there wasn't a pre-Windows 10 equivilant, and that you'd need ant AV program. I guess I can ditch Avast, and get this. Thanks!
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Any reason I can't see Tweets linked in threads on SA when using FireFox?
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OhFunny posted:Any reason I can't see Tweets linked in threads on SA when using FireFox? You may have tracking protection blocking it now.
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