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tfw you get caught fudging your metrics https://twitter.com/TeslaCharts/status/1036440746654683136
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Sep 3, 2018 23:21
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infernal machines posted:tfw you get caught fudging your metrics How do vins work? What makes this fudging vs an error?
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Sep 3, 2018 23:24
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that's like me doing pushups. one, two, three, uhhh, eighty seven, eighty eight, oops, nine hundred ninety eight, nine hundred ninety nine, ten thousand!
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Sep 3, 2018 23:26
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Potato Salad posted:How do vins work? What makes this fudging vs an error? vins are a unique serial number, in theory they're more or less sequential off the line, or at least based off some internal system tied to production. bloomberg, assuming that, is using vins reported to them to assess tesla's production rates. tesla, knowing this, appears to be jumping huge numbers of vins so that bloomberg and anyone else reporting estimated production numbers based on vins massively over estimate the number of vehicles being produced. i.e. despite two vehicles being numbered 35000 apart, both produced in august, there is a 0% chance they've actually been building 8750 model 3s a week. but bloomberg's system reports that they have
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Sep 3, 2018 23:29
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the missing 35,000 cars are in
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Sep 3, 2018 23:31
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the only reason they'd have for doing that is to misrepresent-without-lying their manufacturing yield, because they can't actually build cars, but their stock value depends on them doing so.
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Sep 3, 2018 23:33
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I hope mr. Tesla goes to turbojail
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Sep 3, 2018 23:35
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Silver Alicorn posted:I hope mr. Tesla goes to
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Sep 3, 2018 23:36
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do VINs have to be sequential or anything? I’m only familiar with EUIs (MAC) for networking equipment but after the regional/manufacturer identifiers we could assign numbers in whatever way we wanted
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Sep 3, 2018 23:36
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predictable identifiers is a classic secfuck
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Sep 3, 2018 23:37
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infernal machines posted:the only reason they'd have for doing that is to misrepresent-without-lying their manufacturing yield, because they can't actually build cars, but their stock value depends on them doing so. i mean it’s musk so the paranoia based reason is likely correct but the normal inane reason would be a different batch or change in manufacturing technique or something so you can identify subtypes at a glance
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Sep 3, 2018 23:39
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hobbesmaster posted:do VINs have to be sequential or anything? afaik there's no requirement for them to be, that's just the way things are done. the issue being that places reporting on tesla's production capability are assuming this is the case, and tesla appears to be fudging that either that or they're building 50% more vehicles than they've reported for their balls to the wall manufacturing death march and stuffing all of them into parking lots, to release them at random to consumers
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Sep 3, 2018 23:41
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hobbesmaster posted:i mean it’s musk so the paranoia based reason is likely correct but the normal inane reason would be a different batch or change in manufacturing technique or something so you can identify subtypes at a glance they might also have batch identifiers or something like a jump between factory built and tent built, but they're doing it in an amazingly suspicious way
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Sep 3, 2018 23:43
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the funniest option is that they attempted 50% more cars but some were so hosed up that no amount of rework could make “factory gating”
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Sep 3, 2018 23:44
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why in the hell would they not be sequential though (other than dishonesty)? just think if a reputable manufacturer needed to do a recall. “cars 100-250 all have x bad part”.
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Sep 3, 2018 23:44
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it's okay because they ditched part tracking to prevent that guy from demonstrating that scrapped inventory was being pushed back into production. probably they don't know what vins have what parts
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Sep 3, 2018 23:45
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President Beep posted:why in the hell would they not be sequential though (other than dishonesty)? just think if a reputable manufacturer needed to do a recall. “cars 100-250 all have x bad part”. Also if they have a legitimate system such as each factory having a specific number and aren't just randomly jumping around, they still should probably be able to say "vins starting with xxxxx are affected" even if it isn't sequential.
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Sep 3, 2018 23:51
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President Beep posted:why in the hell would they not be sequential though (other than dishonesty)? just think if a reputable manufacturer needed to do a recall. “cars 100-250 all have x bad part”. i could see how some sane production schemes wouldn't get you perfectly sequential stuff like an actual car manufacturer with multiple production facilities for the same car lines has numbers 10,000 to 20,000 assigned for a given month across both plants, but they just start plant 2's numbers at 15,000 rather than try to keep them in perfect order you know
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Sep 3, 2018 23:52
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fishmech posted:i could see how some sane production schemes wouldn't get you perfectly sequential stuff That's what the first 11 letters/numbers in the vin are for.
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Sep 3, 2018 23:53
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with anyone else this probably wouldn't raise any eyebrows, but with tesla and the model 3, they have two lines, if you count the tent as a separate linehobbesmaster posted:the funniest option is that they attempted 50% more cars but some were so hosed up that no amount of rework could make “factory gating” yeah this would be funnier
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Sep 3, 2018 23:54
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President Beep posted:why in the hell would they not be sequential though (other than dishonesty)? just think if a reputable manufacturer needed to do a recall. “cars 100-250 all have x bad part”. not that this is any specific format, but for something like this you’ll have a bunch of fields that identify country of manufacturer, manufacturer, model. the rest will be available for the manufacturer to do whatever. say there’s 3 bytes available for this. are you going to build 16million cars? no. so now you can use this for additional information so for example you could encode week of year+plant within those 3 bytes you have. this would result in giant leaps each week and a lot of dead numbers. or you could encode a plant plus line revision. so every time you changed the line a number is incremented. stuff like that. Tesla is such a mess that if they did that it’d probably look random
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Sep 3, 2018 23:55
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hobbesmaster posted:i mean it’s musk so the paranoia based reason is likely correct but the normal inane reason would be a different batch or change in manufacturing technique or something so you can identify subtypes at a glance Or VINs in order of preorder number would be a reasonable thing. but nah they are just trying to trick people tracking production into reporting higher numbers.
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Sep 3, 2018 23:57
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increment by 1 every time we remove a weld
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Sep 3, 2018 23:57
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right, i get that different fields mean different things, but at some point I think it’s common to have a unique unit number. having that be sequential just seems like common sense. otherwise why do agencies look at that data to gauge output numbers?
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Sep 3, 2018 23:59
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infernal machines posted:increment by 1 every time we remove a weld
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Sep 3, 2018 23:59
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infernal machines posted:increment by 1 every time we remove a weld i don’t think mankind is ready for googolplex-long VINs.
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Sep 4, 2018 00:00
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cant wait to see bazingas refusing to send back their recalled vehicles because they don't want to slow down the holy felon's efforts to save the world he'll probably ask them not to and then not go to jail when people die
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Sep 4, 2018 00:02
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mystes posted:Aren't recalls usually more like "enter your vin number to see if you're affected, also if you're affected we're mailing the address the DMV has for you" anyway? i was thinking more for internal tracking purposes. again, this is in the context of a manufacturer who gives a gently caress/isn’t trying to actively deceive people tho.
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Sep 4, 2018 00:09
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Hold on, did Elon say he was going to buy back TSLA stock at X price ....on Twitter....
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Rex-Goliath posted:i don’t think it’s possible for them to recover at this point their debt is going to kill them. the time to have done this was like 3 years ago or whenever it was clear he was mismanaging the company with how the X launch went that just means the shareholders will get wiped out and the bondholders will own tesla
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George posted:cant wait to see bazingas refusing to send back their recalled vehicles because they don't want to slow down the holy felon's efforts to save the world i remember when people did this with the note
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Sep 4, 2018 00:18
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the funniest part of tesla's inevitable bankruptcy will be everyone who preordered getting wiped out as an unsecured creditor and getting nothing except maybe the right to buy a car at full price and to share in the proceeds of a lawsuit against musk and the entire board
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Sep 4, 2018 00:29
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oh, yeah. they’ll be waaaaaayyy down on the list.
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Sep 4, 2018 00:40
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u know how if u have, like, a rare ferrari and it catches on fire or something, ferrari will take like a single bolt from it and rebuild the entire car w/ the same vin u think musk is making like a single bolt and giving it the vin number of it's eventual car? ol musky could make, like, 50,000 cars a week this way.
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Sep 4, 2018 00:51
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Poor musky, thought of QC and died
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Sep 4, 2018 00:52
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Elon musk is dead 
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President Beep posted:oh, yeah. they’ll be waaaaaayyy down on the list. deposits up to $2850 get a preferred creditor status. but they are after secured creditors and administrative costs so they still are unlikely to get much. buuuuuuut someone posted the agreement that they have to sign when giving Tesla money and it looked like Tesla was trying to legal ninja their way around calling the deposit an actual deposit and instead treat it as payment for the costs involved in assigning a VIN or some such bullshit. if that held then there is approximately zero chance they get a dime back.
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Sep 4, 2018 01:01
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Silver Alicorn posted:Elon musk is dead 🧛♀️
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Shifty Pony posted:buuuuuuut someone posted the agreement that they have to sign when giving Tesla money and it looked like Tesla was trying to legal ninja their way around calling the deposit an actual deposit and instead treat it as payment for the costs involved in assigning a VIN or some such bullshit.
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