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Schadenboner posted:Legitimately, is there a trains thread here?
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I mean, every thread dealing with policy in YOSPOS (which is every thread because man is by nature a political animal?) ends up being a trains thread but I mean one that sets out on purpose to be one? I don't know much about trains and my small-but-no-longer-so-tiny-humon would get a kick out of it if I did.
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Sep 6, 2018 13:36
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Schadenboner posted:I mean, every thread dealing with policy in YOSPOS (which is every thread because man is by nature a political animal?) ends up being a trains thread but I mean one that sets out on purpose to be one? The zaurg thread in BFC.
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Sep 6, 2018 14:15
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elon musk, and his companies, suck rear end
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Sep 6, 2018 14:18
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gschmidl posted:The zaurg thread in BFC. The what in the where now?
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Sep 6, 2018 14:20
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Schadenboner posted:The what in the where now? zaurg is someone who asks for the internet's advice on how to live his life, then ignores it and picks the worst possible option. last i heard he was into bitcoins, so yeah. i think they're making a joke because that's a trainwreck of a thread
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Sep 6, 2018 14:30
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ate all the Oreos posted:zaurg is someone who asks for the internet's advice on how to live his life, then ignores it and picks the worst possible option. gently caress, same.
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Sep 6, 2018 14:32
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Schadenboner posted:Legitimately, is there a trains thread here? no. we don't need to encourage that sort of thing
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woman whose car tried to gently caress a firetruck while on autopilot suing tesla, tesla says "don't use autopilot"
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Sep 6, 2018 14:35
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infernal machines posted:woman whose car tried to gently caress a firetruck while on autopilot suing tesla, tesla says "don't use autopilot" fuckin' lmao
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Sep 6, 2018 14:37
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infernal machines posted:woman whose car tried to gently caress a firetruck while on autopilot suing tesla, tesla says "don't use autopilot" The only real victim here is the firetruck
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Sep 6, 2018 14:38
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Schadenboner posted:Legitimately, is there a trains thread here? Over in AI: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3394711
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Sep 6, 2018 14:50
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But yeah, of Musk's two big companies right now (ignoring Boring because it's a loving joke), SpaceX has largely been able to minimize his influence. They use him as a money faucet and the face of the company, but apart from that he doesn't really set unreasonable goals, "We'll orbit the moon with a manned mission in 2018" not withstanding (everyone saw that not happening when he announced it, and in a rare display of humility, he accepted it wasn't going to happen). He's too hands on with Tesla, and that's what's really getting them in trouble. Then again, with SpaceX, they're not reinventing the wheel. The stuff they're doing is evolutionary, not revolutionary, like what Tesla arguably is doing. Most of the heavy lifting has been done for SpaceX, the stuff that unique (landing the first stage, namely) to them has come after the most critical phases for those components have passed in regards to a successful mission. The launch doesn't care if the first stage lands or not, it cares if it gets high enough for the second stage. That part of the mission has been done so many times before SpaceX even existed that it was a non-issue. Tesla is trying to reinvent the wheel and now getting lapped by GM and Nissan with their EV offerings, and it's only a matter of time before other makers start passing them too. iospace fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 14:55
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iospace posted:But yeah, of Musk's two big companies right now (ignoring Boring because it's a loving joke), SpaceX has largely been able to minimize his influence. They use him as a money faucet and the face of the company, but apart from that he doesn't really set unreasonable goals, "We'll orbit the moon with a manned mission in 2018" not withstanding (everyone saw that not happening when he announced it, and in a rare display of humility, he accepted it wasn't going to happen). most major-manufacturer EV offerings are already better than tesla, but otherwise yeah
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The irony is Tesla isn't the first mass-market EV in the US as well. That was a GM product (and a very rare, "We're selling this as a GM as opposed to a <BRAND>" car from GM). They recalled all of them and proceeded to scrap them because ~reasons~ (kickbacks from oil industry, most likely), but EV enthusiasts have long known how good they can be in terms of performance. All Tesla has done was shown that yes, an EV can be a practical car. You can have a lot of space for all your stuff and still get 300 miles out of it, and showing the masses that yes, EVs actually are fast.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:19
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IIRC the ~reasons~ were they sucked and the batteries sucked and they didn't want responsibility for maintaining parts and service for a few lovely cars almost no one used and also they were leased so they could do that
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Sep 6, 2018 15:23
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holy poo poo the zaurg thread has been reopened since May
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Sep 6, 2018 15:27
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most "holy gently caress this is the most hilarious thread of all time" threads are terrible but zaurgthread is something else
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Sep 6, 2018 15:31
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infernal machines posted:IIRC the ~reasons~ were they sucked and the batteries sucked and they didn't want responsibility for maintaining parts and service for a few lovely cars almost no one used and also they were leased so they could do that
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Sep 6, 2018 15:37
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FMguru posted:iirc the ev-1 used lead-acid batteries and its purpose was to meet the statutory requirement of the state of california that the carmakers show progress towards developing zero-emission vehicles Wish ur post history were zero-emissions.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:38
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Schadenboner posted:Wish ur post history were zero-emissions.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:41
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infernal machines posted:IIRC the ~reasons~ were they sucked and the batteries sucked and they didn't want responsibility for maintaining parts and service for a few lovely cars almost no one used and also they were leased so they could do that True. So I'll give Tesla this, they showed that they could use a Li-Ion based battery for an EV and make it work.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:42
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FMguru posted:same but ur fathers balls 
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Sep 6, 2018 15:43
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FMguru posted:iirc the ev-1 used lead-acid batteries and its purpose was to meet the statutory requirement of the state of california that the carmakers show progress towards developing zero-emission vehicles makes sense. mostly i meant that gm pulling a single line of vehicles that had no supporting infrastructure and clearly weren't meant as a mass market product wasn't an O&G conspiracy.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:44
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iospace posted:True. So I'll give Tesla this, they showed that they could use a Li-Ion based battery for an EV and make it work. yeah, their early advantage was using COTS batteries to make a powertrain that worked pretty well, relatively cheaply.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:46
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infernal machines posted:yeah, their early advantage was using COTS batteries to make a powertrain that worked pretty well, relatively cheaply. Yup, and for lack of better words, they were hand-built exotics. The problem is Musk thought that transferred 1-1 to mass production and here we are. e: another thing about SpaceX, space flight and travel has a lot more regulatory hurdles than cars do, which have been well established for very, very good reasons. Also the failures tend to be much higher profile than a car company's, so I think Musk is going "well, the other makers have these problems, why are we getting all the flack for it!" They do get flack, you dunce.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:49
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FMguru posted:same but ur fathers balls 
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Sep 6, 2018 15:53
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infernal machines posted:no. we don't need to encourage that sort of thing if there were a trains thread (which would require at least one person to effortpost, I guess) then it would draw trainchat into one place train effortposts and train shitposts would all be good imo coal trains alive in serbia gently caress to diesel, remove kebab
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Sep 6, 2018 15:54
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Mr. Nice! posted:over 60 senators now represent less than half the country and in a very short time a supermajority of the senate will represent less than 40% of the population. the usa is doomed. the constitution needs to be completely redone and federalism needs to be thrown in the trash. That was literally the purpose of the senate.
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Sep 6, 2018 15:54
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FMguru posted:same but ur fathers balls narrow urethra
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Sep 6, 2018 15:55
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FMguru posted:same but ur fathers balls 
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Sep 6, 2018 15:56
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Captain Foo posted:most major-manufacturer EV offerings are already better than tesla, but otherwise yeah do any of them have gas-car-like range?
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Sep 6, 2018 15:57
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for straight BEVs probably only the lineups launching now, they're mostly marketed as commuter vehicles, which makes sense really.
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Sep 6, 2018 16:02
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Cocoa Crispies posted:do any of them have gas-car-like range? Bolt is over 200mi (238 per EPA). Someone did take it over 300mi on a single charge once. The Leaf is now starting to push over 200 as well.
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Sep 6, 2018 16:02
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Cocoa Crispies posted:do any of them have gas-car-like range? Chevy Bolt, but it's a lame subcompact car that Americans will never buy.
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Twerk from Home posted:Chevy Bolt, but it's a lame subcompact car that Americans will never buy. its very popular here in detroit
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Sep 6, 2018 16:11
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"popular in detroit" may not be the most effective slogan
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Sep 6, 2018 16:16
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:its very popular here in detroit I've seen a few here in Milwaukee. Also, re: Senate: The Senate was designed to allow smaller states to have more power. The House was the opposite, designed to give bigger states more power. The real problem is the House has not expanded in well over a century, so it no longer accurately represents larger states. Though the constitution is bad at this point anyway so gently caress it all.
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Also Death to capitalism
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iospace posted:Also 
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