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Inspector Gesicht posted:I think it's an awful shame that there was a cartoon about skeleton-warriors, and yet the skeleton warriors were the bad guys. Kind of like how the heroes of Small Soldiers were those lame tree-huggers instead of the cool, badass commandos. Nah, having the american army be the bad guys versus the space natives was cool and good. The american military is always evil.
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That's what I found so cool about that movie. I was expecting the cigar-chomping army dudes to be the good guys because in most fiction I knew up to that point the monsters were usually the bad guys. I like how they subverted that; that's always going to be cool.
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The problem is the good guy toys are lame, have bad lines, aren't funny, and they really don't need to be there at all. It could just as easily have been about human families under siege from crazy soldier toys. Though honestly the real weird thing about it is how there's the big greedy corporation run by Dennis Leary's character and by the end of it he just comes in, writes expensive checks to the families and then fucks off, absolutely no consequences for what is supposed to be a Dreamworks family film.
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Mr.Radar posted:Patrick Willems has an interesting video breaking down how the use of film language has evolved over time within the Star Wars franchise: What am I looking at in 17:37
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The Moviebob video is pretty accurate and I wish he applied the same level of thinking to things he happened not to already like, or which happened to not already agree with his personal views and values. Like you already know, if you're old enough to have thought about it, that the person Rick reflects is a kind of bad guy, so it's easy to 'get' that Rick and Morty is criticising the character of Rick by having him almost kill himself to avoid talking about his feelings. But if you, for example, think superheroes are still really cool and morally good, then when they make a movie where Batman dresses like an idiot and has a cult of fanboys who murder people he's marked as criminals, it's suddenly a meaningless edgy mistake made by Bad Man Snyder, because Batman isn't supposed to be bad Is there a better word for "Selective Literacy"? Hbomberguy fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 20:36
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Thompsons posted:The problem is the good guy toys are lame, have bad lines, aren't funny, and they really don't need to be there at all. It could just as easily have been about human families under siege from crazy soldier toys. Lol if you or DreamWorks thought that a Joe Dante film would stick to family friendly conventions.
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Hbomberguy posted:Is there a better word for "Selective Literacy"? Confirmation bias probably
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Hbomberguy posted:Is there a better word for "Selective Literacy"? Hbomberguy oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh jk you cool
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Hbomberguy posted:The Moviebob video is pretty accurate and I wish he applied the same level of thinking to things he happened not to already like, or which happened to not already agree with his personal views and values. zack snyder thinks batman is insanely cool e: also answer my question, you bastard Alaois fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 21:00
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Season 3 was entirely about how lovely of a person Rick was and people still didn’t get it. They still idolize him and his views.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Lol if you or DreamWorks thought that a Joe Dante film would stick to family friendly conventions. Well it can't even do the edginess right because the main character is basically a low-rent Edward Furlong-alike.
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Hbomberguy posted:The Moviebob video is pretty accurate and I wish he applied the same level of thinking to things he happened not to already like, or which happened to not already agree with his personal views and values. its because bob is comic book super nerd/idiot moron and comic movies can do no wrong. honestly, i think he does have critical thinking skills but he has a weird J jonah jamison type personality with his loves and hates that keeps him from looking any deeper. also he is technocrat who borders on authoritarian. personally, i hated it because i grew up with animated series conroy batman who when i grew up more evolved into arkham batman. there are issues with that character(mostly pushed in anciliary comics) but in the shows he is awesome. miller batman has some good moments but miller is nut and snyder only liked "hur dur he is gritty and fucks dudes up" part and none of the depth. Alaois posted:zack snyder thinks batman is insanely cool snyder is literally mentally in cable of understanding super heroes since he is weird objectivist rear end in a top hat. like he doesnt understand why superman does the things he does because he can't understand unconditional altruism. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its because bob is comic book super nerd/idiot moron and comic movies can do no wrong. honestly, i think he does have critical thinking skills but he has a weird J jonah jamison type personality with his loves and hates that keeps him from looking any deeper. also he is technocrat who borders on authoritarian. Oh good this derail again
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Sep 6, 2018 22:15
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Please no, not Snyder Could we talk about Alex Jones being permabanned from Twitter instead? I'm sure everyone here wants to pour out a little liquor and struggle to open a can of pickles in his now dead account's honour
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Sep 6, 2018 22:32
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Kim Justice posted:Please no, not Snyder That just means I might be tempted to go back there, and frankly, despite trying to use it for good, it's become kind of toxic and draining for me, as well. 
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Kim Justice posted:Please no, not Snyder https://twitter.com/vicenews/status/1037811001918402560
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Absurd Alhazred posted:That just means I might be tempted to go back there, and frankly, despite trying to use it for good, it's become kind of toxic and draining for me, as well. I tend to keep politics off my Twitter as much as possible which makes it better somewhat. My timeline's just full of old games, fellow colleagues and funny crap. Not that I don't talk politics ever but I HATE doing it on Twitter Not that I really follow anyone who would do anything but mock Mr GRRAHHH GLOBALISTS ARE MAKING IT HARDER FOR ME TO OPEN MY PICKLES anyway EDIT: I dunno if the reason he's screaming like that would be because of his account getting banned or because he's looking at the porn on his phone again Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 22:38
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Kim Justice posted:Please no, not Snyder I assume jack was embarrassed by the shrieking morons like jones and loomer yesterday. hopefully she gets burned too as well.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I assume jack was embarrassed by the shrieking morons like jones and loomer yesterday. hopefully she gets burned too as well. Someone should talk Mike Cernovich into following Jack around SanFran screaming at him about pedophiles for a day or two if that's what it takes to get him finally banned too.
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Kim Justice posted:GRRAHHH GLOBALISTS ARE MAKING IT HARDER FOR ME TO OPEN MY PICKLES
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Where's that video of him bleating back at a goat and going super saiyan?
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business hammocks posted:Where's that video of him bleating back at a goat and going super saiyan? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhqUk28OwHs ?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:snyder is literally mentally in cable of understanding super heroes since he is weird objectivist rear end in a top hat. like he doesn't understand why superman does the things he does because he can't understand unconditional altruism. people need to shut up about this because it really reveals politically illiterate they are. Brad Bird is also an objectivist, his movies have way more overt objectivist themes. What people actually hate about Snyder's Superman is his aesthetics not his politics.
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I don't think Snyder is necesarily an objectivist, I just think he did a really bad job of communicating themes in his DC films
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I’m not sure saying someone else is more something is a good way to defend someone.
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OmanyteJackson posted:people need to shut up about this because it really reveals politically illiterate they are. Brad Bird is also an objectivist, his movies have way more overt objectivist themes. What people actually hate about Snyder's Superman is his aesthetics not his politics. Brad Bird ain't Objectivist. Ayn Rand-ish iconography is just appealing to capitalists even if they don't share her actual views on government and ethics. If one just focus on his films in themselves then it's pretty clear his ethics is pretty much not objectivist. That is if your idea of Objectivist is more than "Government control is bad and rich people should resist them." The closest would be the sympathetic villain in the Incredibles 2 but even then the film doesn't go far enough to actually reject altruism. Rockit fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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Junpei Hyde posted:I don't think Snyder is necesarily an objectivist, I just think he did a really bad job of communicating themes in his DC films Snyder's work just seems sort of shallow in most cases. He seems like someone who prefers style-over-substance, but he gets thrown stuff that he handles poorly. As bad as stuff like BvS or, I dunno, Watchmen, might be, he seems like someone who'd do well if he focused mainly on visual work, or was complemented by a good writer..
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All objectivists are fascists in denial or insufferable teenagers on their way to responsible politics. I feel like Snyder’s aesthetic has a kind of sympathy to fascism, even if he tries to play it cool like he’s all the way into ironic distance. I don’t even think he’s bad necessarily, but the purity of the volk as defended by the muscly warrior king against the roiling impure, cosmopolitan hordes has appeared more than once in the guy’s movies.
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Superheroes are an inherently objectivist-leaning genre because they are by nature individuals who stand outside of society and live by their individually decided-upon moral code. It takes just a dash of might-makes-right to turn them into fascists for the same reason.
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I feel like Verhoeven's aesthetic has a kind of sympathy to fascism, even if he tries to play it cool like he's all the way into ironic distance. I don't think he's bad necessarily, but the purity of the volk as defended by the muscly army dudes against the roiling impure bug people has appeared more than once in the guy's movies.
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Hbomberguy posted:I feel like Verhoeven's aesthetic has a kind of sympathy to fascism, even if he tries to play it cool like he's all the way into ironic distance. I don't think he's bad necessarily, but the purity of the volk as defended by the muscly army dudes against the roiling impure bug people has appeared more than once in the guy's movies. What about Snyder’s work is clearly satirical, though? Verhoeven undermines his fascist premise through dark, absurd humour, while Snyder’s films seem rather more straight-faced.
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I don’t think 300 is a joke. I don’t think Snyder is bad and I don’t think he knows, but it’s just kind of in there, pushing against what he’s pretty sure he believes.
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Yardbomb posted:Page or two ago but, I don't know how people get upset at being sniped by the silver archer, it's funny, you weren't paying attention and this dorkus with a bow as big as they are bowled your rear end off a roof. What do you think people don't see them or something? The two overlooking a narrow bridge is a gigantic pain in the rear end for a first time player with poor ranged options, the encounter feels like it's designed to just go 'gently caress you' over and over with almost every hit from one of their arrows sending you careening down to your guaranteed death or stunlocking you to get hit by the other guy's arrow just as you recover until you die. khwarezm fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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zack snyder is making a fountainhead movie and has talked about how he really identifies with the books message, as a creator and an artist he is 100% a randian weirdo
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Rockit posted:Brad Bird ain't Objectivist. Ayn Rand-ish iconography is just appealing to capitalists even if they don't share her actual views on government and ethics. If one just focus on his films in themselves then it's pretty clear his ethics is pretty much not objectivist. That is if your idea of Objectivist is more than "Government control is bad and rich people should resist them."
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Doctor Spaceman posted:And even then in The Incredibles the government is presented as well-meaning and sometimes helpful while the self-made man is the villain . If Syndrome had been allowed to just flood the world with his cool inventions, he'd be the genius benefactor Elon Musk only pretends to be. The heroes should have taken one for the team and just let him win. Instead, I'm having to take the bus to school when I could be flying with rocket boots, and firemen lack the amazing zero-point enegy gloves they could use to save so many people!
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I mean, Zack Snyder's crime is he makes divisive art. People who don't quite get it just push that fact on to him then try to reinforce that fact by making up poo poo about his personal life and politics. This is a very normal thing to do. I can level with anyone who doesn't like his films, we can have a discussion about it even. But this "he's a randian fascist freak" is just a joke and it makes you look like some shmoe who doesn't want to earnestly and critically engage with the thing he had part in creating. It's lazy. Jimbot fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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People who talk about Incredibles as an endorsement of objectivism always seem to forget that Syndrome is a loving murderer.
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Jimbot posted:I mean, Zack Snyder's crime is he makes divisive art. People who don't quite get it just push that fact on to him then try to reinforce that fact by making up poo poo about his personal life and politics. This is a very normal thing to do. He’s not a fascist, but who is beautiful in 300 and who is ugly? He’s a milquetoast liberal who longs for the tensed muscles of a warrior king who will keep the people pure by keeping out the decadent, cosmopolitan hordes, whether they’re gay and wear makeup or dead and an undifferentiated assimilative mass. I don’t really have anything to say about his comic book movies.
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business hammocks posted:He’s not a fascist, but who is beautiful in 300 and who is ugly? He’s a milquetoast liberal who longs for the tensed muscles of a warrior king who will keep the people pure by keeping out the decadent, cosmopolitan hordes, whether they’re gay and wear makeup or dead and an undifferentiated assimilative mass. I don’t really have anything to say about his comic book movies. um Jimbot posted:I mean, Zack Snyder's crime is he makes divisive art. People who don't quite get it just push that fact on to him then try to reinforce that fact by making up poo poo about his personal life and politics. This is a very normal thing to do. lmao yeah its 100% just making poo poo up about him, and not reading his actual, personal statement about identifying with the loving Fountainhead Alaois fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 7, 2018 |
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