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verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Looking forward to watching the new one from the Brawl In Cell Block 99 guy. Sounds like another one of his type of bleak action jazzscicles.

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Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer
I'm staying as far away from it as possible.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

verdigris murder posted:

Looking forward to watching the new one from the Brawl In Cell Block 99 guy. Sounds like another one of his type of bleak action jazzscicles.

It sounds like nothing but "ironic" racism and misogyny with a heaping helping of nihilism

Basebf555
Feb 29, 2008

The greatest sensual pleasure there is is to know the desires of another!

Fun Shoe
I wonder if Peppermint will be any good. It's by the director of Taken, so maybe?

brocked
Oct 25, 2005

All shall love me and despair!
It should just be called the PunisHer

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Basebf555 posted:

I wonder if Peppermint will be any good. It's by the director of Taken, so maybe?

I saw it tonight, it’s pretty solid. Garner plays a really mean Lady Punisher with a morbid sense of humor, there’s some great gun porn, and some fun twists you don’t see coming.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Saw Peppermint. Loved it. JG still got it, yo! Use social media to spread that word!

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

It sounds like nothing but "ironic" racism and misogyny with a heaping helping of nihilism
You make that sound like it’s a bad thing.

One mans bad thing is another mans good thing.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

verdigris murder posted:

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing.

One mans bad thing is another mans good thing.

Actually, when a neo-Nazi teams up with Mel Gibson to make a movie about how police brutality is actually extremely cool and good, that's bad

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

verdigris murder posted:

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing.

One mans bad thing is another mans good thing.

While we're not dealing with absolutes, people who take great pleasure in "ironic" racism and "ironic" misogynists tend to be, you know, actual racists and misogynists who just don't want to rip off the mask completely. Not always, but frequently.

In the case of this writer it's almost certainly not ironic at this point.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

verdigris murder posted:

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing.

One mans bad thing is another mans good thing.

verdigris murder posted:

Is this just a cheap fun way for yet another invisible company place a figurative goat on the altar of the Jews/Islam/dawkins etc to work out how much more incentivised the Hearthstone fans could become by using the fans win/irl ratio and monetise it.

verdigris murder posted:

As someone who has daily encounters with not very clever people (e.g. builders and blacks) even they would not stoop to such a level of utter retardation made manifest by the words above this post.

Hmmm...

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Lmao, my goodness.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
Well that just proves my point nicely. Thank you Halloween Jack, you're are an a+ poster in my book.

Blast Fantasto
Sep 18, 2007

USAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
For real though, where is there info about S Craig Zahler being a neo-nazi? The only thing I'm finding is someone's Medium post that's an analysis of Bone Tomahawk and Cell Block 99.

Dragged Across Concrete seems not great, but I will reserve real judgment until I see it because I liked the other two films a lot - but they have questionable racial politics.

Zahler took the time to put one scene in each movie to say to the audience, "hey this totally isn't racist" (the Indian telling the audience the cannibals weren't Indians in BT, Vaughan telling his boss there isn't a scenario where he should say the n-word in 99) - but also maybe he should stop writing movies that require such scenes.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
It was hashed out over in the horror thread and genchat if you want to read the nitty gritty, but the short version is, he wrote a Puppet Master movie that has some insanely racist overtones, Dragged Across Concrete is... a bad look and its early reviews have confirmed everyone's suspicions about it, and the producer he's been working with made a statement about his "mission" that's basically an uninterrupted string of dogwhistles. Also, BICB99 is about a former Nazi gang member beating the poo poo out of a whole lot of racial minorities.

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Sure, but anything can be racistly framed when taken out of context. You obv must be a Twitter user.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
In order to avoid being taken out of context, I want to be clear that the following statement is entirely serious, and not at all intended to be taken as a joke: Kill yourself.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






Those probations for racist shitposting are taken completely out of context, furthermore

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Chillax my dudes.

Invest your keystrokes into something that brings you completion as opposed to this nonsense.

Rampage has some ok action scenes, apart from when it loses it in the end. Also the bit when Davis runs across the windows sucked.

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Racism sucks more than rampage did hth

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

verdigris murder posted:

Chillax my dudes.

Invest your keystrokes into something that brings you completion as opposed to this nonsense.

Rampage has some ok action scenes, apart from when it loses it in the end. Also the bit when Davis runs across the windows sucked.

Bud you might want to consider the Louis CK rule and gently caress off for a while after you've been exposed. Nobody in here wants to hear your racist-rear end opinion.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
I saw Peppermint. Spoiler thoughts, this'll be jumbled because I just got out of the theater overall I give it like a B- or a C+: Garner is a believable vigilante physically as she is no stranger to action roles, but the movie essentially glosses over her 5 year transformation into a one woman army, which is fine, but maybe spending more time on that and less time on the 3rd act would have been better. There is 1 really good shoot out scene, the other big one isnt very good for the following reason. The film is reaaaaaaaaaaally sterile which is odd when the hero is pump shottying dudes in the chest at point blank. Theres hardly any blood or squibs (they might be using CGI for the impacts?), and theres no real gore associated with the shooting. Garner herself gets roughed up good but thats it. There is not much in the way of reloading (she reloads a pistol once in the entire film), playing with ammo counts, or creative use of the weapons to build out the scenes. The first major fight scene takes place in a pinata factory and folks, I gotta say, they didn't utilize the pinatas very well at all. And that was the good shoot out! No goons are there blasting away at pinatas, theres no shotgun shooting through a pinata to kill a bad guy. Garner doesn't string up a goon like a pinata and hit him with a bat. WASTED POTENTIAL. The other big shootout happens at the bad guys house and its just pretty meh, garner sneaking around shooting people once with a suppressed rifle she never reloads, didn't care for it.

Theres a pretty stupid & pointless plot twist which also hinges on spending a lot of screen time with a secondary cop character that I didnt care for. Really the biggest issue is that the movie dispatches all of the people responsible for her family getting whacked and the killers going free in the first 15 minutes. She kills the shooters OFF SCREEN (outside of 1 guy), as well as 2 of the corrupt law dudes. The movie's focus is then on Garner going after the one who ultimately ordered the hit, which is fine, but a better movie would have focused more on the people directly responsible (setup by the court room scene where all her future targets could be in the same room). This glosses over all of them despite the court scene being really good and is just whatever.

There is a second stupid subplot about her being a vigilante and the city & social media getting behind her. This is played for laughs twice, and they were good laughs. Once where she stops a bad dad in a liquor store and demands he turns his life around and once where a black dude is on the news and tells the bad guys she is still alive and PISSED. The movie didn't seem to really know what angle it wanted to take playing her up as the guardian angel of some skidrow type slum. In the end by not focusing either way (is she stopping petty crime from happening or is she out for revenge?) the film ends up disjointed.

I'm wondering if the sterilized action violence is due to the chinese production company or if its just part of the previously hollywood 90s-00s trend of action filming that I thought was coming to an end with the rise of John Wick.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

CelticPredator posted:

Racism sucks more than rampage did hth
Does it suck more than Pearl Harbor though?

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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I don’t know, but I did miss you.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:

It was Keanu's birthday recently and it made me realise I hadn't watched either John Wick for a while. I said as much on facebook and now several friends are coming over at the weekend and we're going to watch some dudes get shot a whole bunch. Hooray!

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Since John Wick gets discussed a lot, I'll recommend one of its major influences, the 1967 John Boorman-directed Lee Marvin-starring neo-noir crime thriller Point Blank.

Featured one of the best fight scenes of the decade.

FancyMike
May 7, 2007

New trailer for Master Z: Ip Man Legacy. Spin off from the Wilson Yip/Donnie Yen series. Yuen Woo-ping directing, starring Max Zhang, Dave Bautista, with Michelle Yeoh and Tony Jaa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ony4T5TbnLg

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jerkface posted:

I saw Peppermint. Spoiler thoughts, this'll be jumbled because I just got out of the theater overall I give it like a B- or a C+: Garner is a believable vigilante physically as she is no stranger to action roles, but the movie essentially glosses over her 5 year transformation into a one woman army, which is fine, but maybe spending more time on that and less time on the 3rd act would have been better. There is 1 really good shoot out scene, the other big one isnt very good for the following reason. The film is reaaaaaaaaaaally sterile which is odd when the hero is pump shottying dudes in the chest at point blank. Theres hardly any blood or squibs (they might be using CGI for the impacts?), and theres no real gore associated with the shooting. Garner herself gets roughed up good but thats it. There is not much in the way of reloading (she reloads a pistol once in the entire film), playing with ammo counts, or creative use of the weapons to build out the scenes. The first major fight scene takes place in a pinata factory and folks, I gotta say, they didn't utilize the pinatas very well at all. And that was the good shoot out! No goons are there blasting away at pinatas, theres no shotgun shooting through a pinata to kill a bad guy. Garner doesn't string up a goon like a pinata and hit him with a bat. WASTED POTENTIAL. The other big shootout happens at the bad guys house and its just pretty meh, garner sneaking around shooting people once with a suppressed rifle she never reloads, didn't care for it.

Theres a pretty stupid & pointless plot twist which also hinges on spending a lot of screen time with a secondary cop character that I didnt care for. Really the biggest issue is that the movie dispatches all of the people responsible for her family getting whacked and the killers going free in the first 15 minutes. She kills the shooters OFF SCREEN (outside of 1 guy), as well as 2 of the corrupt law dudes. The movie's focus is then on Garner going after the one who ultimately ordered the hit, which is fine, but a better movie would have focused more on the people directly responsible (setup by the court room scene where all her future targets could be in the same room). This glosses over all of them despite the court scene being really good and is just whatever.

There is a second stupid subplot about her being a vigilante and the city & social media getting behind her. This is played for laughs twice, and they were good laughs. Once where she stops a bad dad in a liquor store and demands he turns his life around and once where a black dude is on the news and tells the bad guys she is still alive and PISSED. The movie didn't seem to really know what angle it wanted to take playing her up as the guardian angel of some skidrow type slum. In the end by not focusing either way (is she stopping petty crime from happening or is she out for revenge?) the film ends up disjointed.

I'm wondering if the sterilized action violence is due to the chinese production company or if its just part of the previously hollywood 90s-00s trend of action filming that I thought was coming to an end with the rise of John Wick.


Yeah, that's a fair review. Like I gave it an 8.5 since I'm a Garner fan and I loved whenever she was on-screen, the rest of the movie, eh. Your complaints are pretty on-point, honestly, but I did like that plot twist you're referring to honestly, probably because I'd taken a liking to that character. Like I kept thinking while watching it that Peppermint felt very much like they set out to make an 80s-rear end B-movie in a lot of ways, and Garner does a really good job selling her character. Like she gets the poo poo knocked out of her, multiple times, and just keeps getting back up. She's also improvising a lot with what's around her, which I felt like was a nice touch.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Wasn't there a similar "Lady Punisher" movie with Jodie Foster a few years ago?

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Wheat Loaf posted:

Wasn't there a similar "Lady Punisher" movie with Jodie Foster a few years ago?

The Brave One, yeah. She's like a radio DJ/host and it's way less action-y.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
Garner handled all the action well if they had the wick guys directing instead of the taken guy it'd probably be much better.

verdigris murder
Jul 10, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Bud you might want to consider the Louis CK rule and gently caress off for a while after you've been exposed. Nobody in here wants to hear your racist-rear end opinion.
You really do come across as some holier than thou, pompous fool. With a massive chip. I’m not Louis Ck, and using melodramatic words like ‘exposed’ invests way more in my horrific racist triggering than is actually available for you to use to shovel into your furnace of outrage that drives your train of Justice.

Its actually indicative of a more widespread insidious issue: for many users of the internet, there’s a profound narrowing of the gap between how they relate and measure abstract, immaterial and for the most part, meaningless events and words online with how they would interpret and process real life events. The ideological vacuums that bucket around the web are slowly transmuting into the real world and that’s not a good thing.

Much of the above, in relation to quote pulling from my history just comes across as not only disingenuous but to be perfectly honest pretty pathetic. And I really dislike Louis CK.

And while I’m here, deplatforming is another hosed up thing. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be sent away on a train.

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009
lol

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
On the other hand, maybe the reason everyone hates you is that you're an obnoxious, terrible person. You should probably give up trying to convince people that racism is very intellectual actually and they should stop having emotions because words don't mean things. It would be much easier to, for example, kill yourself. That's what I recommend.

The Science of Suck
Mar 17, 2009
i saw the debt collector starring Scott Adkins and i liked it. seems like they cast for tough guy first and good actor second and it really works for me. his co-star is a notable exception, he carries all the acting weight but also comes across as believably tough. good action and funny, what more do you idiots want?

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

verdigris murder posted:

You really do come across as some holier than thou, pompous fool. With a massive chip. I’m not Louis Ck, and using melodramatic words like ‘exposed’ invests way more in my horrific racist triggering than is actually available for you to use to shovel into your furnace of outrage that drives your train of Justice.

Its actually indicative of a more widespread insidious issue: for many users of the internet, there’s a profound narrowing of the gap between how they relate and measure abstract, immaterial and for the most part, meaningless events and words online with how they would interpret and process real life events. The ideological vacuums that bucket around the web are slowly transmuting into the real world and that’s not a good thing.

Much of the above, in relation to quote pulling from my history just comes across as not only disingenuous but to be perfectly honest pretty pathetic. And I really dislike Louis CK.

And while I’m here, deplatforming is another hosed up thing. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be sent away on a train.

Counterpoint: I can just read this post you just made and know immediately that you're an insufferable prick.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:

The Science of Suck posted:

i saw the debt collector starring Scott Adkins and i liked it. seems like they cast for tough guy first and good actor second and it really works for me. his co-star is a notable exception, he carries all the acting weight but also comes across as believably tough. good action and funny, what more do you idiots want?

Sweet, I watched Accident Man recently and it was pretty fun.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jerkface posted:

Garner handled all the action well if they had the wick guys directing instead of the taken guy it'd probably be much better.

Comically enough I think you could say the same for the first Taken, Liam Neeson was the only reason that movie really worked. That's also why I disagree with you, I think I wouldn't have liked this movie half as much if Garner's character was as surgical as Wick. She's way more of a blunt object in Peppermint and I honestly prefer it that way.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Alias was a big deal, right? I got into it quite a while after the fact (not until after I'd watched all of Fringe); I learned from this thread that Abrams was picked for M:I3 because Cruise had watched and enjoyed a ton of Alias. However, I'm not sure what its legacy is, or what its place is in the history of that era of television. It seems like it gets overshadowed by Buffy on one side and :lost: on the other. Any thoughts?

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LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.
I remember Alias and 24 being slightly earlier examples of the kind of obsessive online fandom LOST got. I didn't watch much Alias, but I don't think it has much of a lasting legacy, besides some of the careers it propped up.

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