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Hmmm. AA I think you are scum. A bad man with bad intentions who wants to kill us. ##vote AA
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Your Personal Muse posted:Hmmm. AA I think you are scum. A bad man with bad intentions who wants to kill us. A compelling case.
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Sep 9, 2018 16:48
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AA: since you’ve confirmed that you are etr’s mason partner, how do you feel about him? He’s lurking hardcore right now and had that terrible somber vote yesterday.
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Sep 9, 2018 16:56
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b-minus1 posted:AA: since you’ve confirmed that you are etr’s mason partner, how do you feel about him? He’s lurking hardcore right now and had that terrible somber vote yesterday. I think hes a newer player. Who has come across as sincere. I feel bad that he got partnered with a crazy man lol. Otherwise I have a solidly town read on him atm Phone just got some juice but I'm running errands... I'll be around in a bit.
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Sep 9, 2018 17:09
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Minus town. Laughs off accusations. Doesn't like setup spec.
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Sep 9, 2018 18:15
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i mean im not opposed to some setup spec, but i would prefer to see reads. the last 24 hours have been very light on content
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Sep 9, 2018 18:17
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b-minus1 posted:i mean im not opposed to some setup spec, but i would prefer to see reads. the last 24 hours have been very light on content No I agree, I'm just giving a read on you because you're playing to your town meta pretty strongly this game.
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peramene posted:I wonder why these aren't in alphabetical order Hmmm hmmmmmm And now for "Person who was killed by scum analysis" by Natural20, aged 29. AA is playing to his meta of absolutely incomprehensibly insane. YPM has been asking question that tend to be in line of my perception of him. Pod. Caveat, I think Pod is scum in every game I play. (Even games where I am scum) Podima posted:Been at a wedding all day, back home tomorrow so here are some hot takes: Two things result: First lowkey shade on the idea that I vigged purely for statistics when that's not the only thing I wrote and it should be super obvious as to why in particular I might perceive an unconfirmed masonry with Bif as more threatening than a generic one. Secondly and more importantly "Feel good about humalong." Let's examine what humalong's had to say today: Mr. Humalong posted:Worked a 16, just got home. I’m caught up on the thread so far but I’m way too tired to post anything meaningful beyond: This gets brought up and rescinded effectively later but it broadly makes no sense beyond an attack on AI for language that's a little weird. It's odd to criticise someone for not wanting to vote a target that was subsequently confirmed town. Mr. Humalong posted:I blame only myself for not unvoting so I could hammer myself before Bif hammered the lunch on Somber (who honestly did not help his case by being lurker town but whatever, I’m really not one to talk about people not helping their case). And this pityparty about wanting to die to prove a point isn't exactly the most persuasive thing about Humalong being town, or honestly that helpful in terms of reads. Beyond that there are just oneliners of little value. The point I'm trying to make here isn't so much on whether Humalong is scummy. (imo he is, we should lunch him and my vote is going there absent compelling evidence) But how exactly is Humalong acquitting himself so much better than yesterday in Pod's mind?
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Sep 9, 2018 19:45
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##vote Humalong Nothing has changed imo since yesterday and this flip will be enlightening.
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Sep 9, 2018 19:48
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Natural 20 posted:And now for "Person who was killed by scum analysis" by Natural20, aged 29. I may float some things that run contrary to the norm, but that's a major discredit to me. Scum often push this meta read as a way of discrediting my cases and forcing easy pushes. Point out something ”incomprehensibly insane" FWIW, I felt you were playing truer to your recent town meta, but with your admission of trying to kill bif. I'm a bit conflicted. Logic would dictate that you not say such a thing as scum, but being forthright is also a scum tactic that I confidently believe you are capable of swinging. I think I have reason to believe hum is town but without implicating other players who are probably town, all I can say is that I don't think it's a good vote
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Sep 9, 2018 19:53
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##unvote I understand.
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Sep 9, 2018 19:56
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im just gonna throw this out there aa and eat the rich have claimed voyeur/tracker but haven't posted the results of their n1 actions. @AA and @ETR, not saying you should make this public right this second, especially since the thread is a ghost town, but have you guys at least shared your results in your mason chat?
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Sep 9, 2018 20:04
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b-minus1 posted:im just gonna throw this out there I've told my date and I think Humalong is town based on the results I got last night. AA didn't get any decisive results afaict
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Sep 9, 2018 20:14
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You are way more self aware of your strengths and weaknesses as town, friend AA. Your entire play so far seems like someone who is using his meta as a shield.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:27
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Your Personal Muse posted:##vote humalong The first real vote on the push for hum. The two preceding were B-'s and Tomm's, both from joke phase. Bee's questionable as a reactionary omgus, but seeing as no one else is getting pings, I'll table my suspicion for the time being. Mr. Humalong posted:Yeah don't explain yourself or anything, just make a drive by vote. Somberbrero posted:Maybe some of the resulting discussion was crossed wires, but I felt like YPM made his point against me pretty clear and was surprised that it didn't merit comment. Somber addresses a response from Humalong about YPMs initial curiosity around Somber's remark about "seeing what he saw" on AI BUT ypm follows up with... Your Personal Muse posted:Humalong is trying to avoid making connections this early so that when he flips scum we have less to go on hth Your Personal Muse posted:I mean, I was pressuring but in a very ineffective way. I would be hesitant to hold it up as an example of pressuring, because pressuring has a connotation that it was a plan of some sort. It was me fooling around while also being somewhat curious how Anon would react. Admitting that it was real, even marginally, is strange. This topic occupies the thread as YPM's still unexplained vote on hum hangs. Bifauxnen posted:ok lol I went back to check all my posts since I voted AA to see what must have given Hum this change of heart. Since the AA vote, I: I am coo coo, but I probably bat around average, yeah? --- WRT her vote on hum: Seems like a standard aggro vote from Bif in all honestly, if not a bit unwarranted... quote:me bugging Hum to explain how he thinks I'm ao weird Her vote seems to be solely derived from perceptions on how he was reading somber and his lack of adequate response... As an inevitable sponge for player meta: he said he's had a few 16 hour days lately, and I think timing lapses + enthusiasm, or even missing posts in skimming can often come across as "intentional scumminess" As far as bif votes go, seems like she believes her reasons, and that's more than YPM offered. Natural 20 posted:Part of me thinks that Humalong's behaviour is weird, but another part knows that's often consistent with my perception of his play.. I already pointed this out previously, but as far as votes go, this one seems even worse than YPMs. It unabashedly excuses a potential mislynch on the notion that we would learn from it. TO his credit, yes this is true, IF the vote isn't manufactured by scum to begin with... then it's scum just saying this person contributed to the lynch, they must be scum because... it's not a perfect cloak for scum, but I think this line of logic allows scum to acquire a decent foothold to argue/control from. Don't like it. peramene posted:this is a bandwagon vote admitted bandwagon vote from a flipped town player. She probably was just doing her own thing out of thread and hopped on whatever. Not good play, but it is what it is, and we know she was town. also i just noticed pera put humadong lol, and that's p. funny. Podima posted:This was your tenth game post for today. Why are you getting personalized nudges from the mod to meet the posting minimum to avoid being a lurker, while doing literally anything that is not scumhunting (including non-useful setup spec)? Not a hum vote, but a vote on pera that looks curious in retrospect. Pod himself had chain posted to make quota, as I'm sure he will again. I know he's a busy man, but it's a bit hypocritical and an easy argument to push when the thread was mostly divided. Granted I was pushing Bee, I just believe in my own work that much more lol  I know, I'm awful Your Personal Muse posted:##vote Somber And finally, our journey leads us to YPMs unexplained deflection onto Somber even though he never even fully articulated a case on hum. I think he saw hum already had some apathy jokephase votes and his would make a third to get more votes rolling. As we saw in pera's vote, the apathy voters do just tag on, and I feel like this was an intentional play by YPM. ##vote YPM
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Your Personal Muse posted:You are way more self aware of your strengths and weaknesses as town, friend AA. Your entire play so far seems like someone who is using his meta as a shield. I used to hate meta, but once I moved past personal meta, that is most used, I realized there was so much more that could be done with casing and playing the game. So yeah I do use it, but not in the oh my play is so and so, as you often rely on, instead I try to predict trends in player behavior off of a headspace filled with dozens of games and to comment on the goals of town, scum, 3p respectively... I spend the majority of my time in meta. Is it the best? no. Is it the worst? hmmm, maybe.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:34
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OK, I'm off to do some things.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:35
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This is not scum ypm imho. I can see pod as scum. Would also vote hal or moat
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Sep 9, 2018 20:38
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Your Personal Muse posted:I would switch to Somber, I agree with B that he sounds frustrated town in his defense. Your Personal Muse posted:I knew AA would find a way to call me scum. I’m proud of you.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:38
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Nice try though, your case that I didn’t explain my switch from Hum would have worked if no one went through my history.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:39
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Your Personal Muse posted:Nice try though, your case that I didn’t explain my switch from Hum would have worked if no one went through my history. I would switch to somber isn't the compelling explanation you think it is
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Sep 9, 2018 20:43
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Your Personal Muse posted:Nice try though,
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Sep 9, 2018 20:43
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I would switch to somber isn't the compelling explanation you think it is Is that all the quote said?
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Sep 9, 2018 20:44
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I mean I know it’s hard to read past a comma, but I think in this case you might want to try
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Sep 9, 2018 20:46
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Your Personal Muse posted:I mean I know it’s hard to read past a comma, but I think in this case you might want to try Cute, but still... what I'm saying is you give no reasons why the somber vote was better? I'm glad you agreed with another players explanation of something, but I'm faulting you for switching with no explanation as to why the new vote was THE vote.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:49
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Ok, I really do have to go now. Byeeee
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Sep 9, 2018 20:50
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Because we were at a point where it was between two people. It was either Somber or Hum. You know that. So if I was getting a town read from Hum, I would obviously go to Somber. You are being purposefully obtuse at this point.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:51
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:I'll do it to clear the air. It's me AA. I crumbed our affiliation earlier, but I'm not a tracker. I'm a voyeur essentially, I explained privately that I was a watcher variant. AA while you're here, be exact. Are you a voyeur (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur) or something else? You've already been outed as a power role, you may as well be specific. I remember from scumming with you that you tend to get vague/evasive in that mindset to avoid being locked down. Also, Eat The Rich says you had no conclusive results, but you say your results theoretically clear Humalong. Which is it?
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Sep 9, 2018 20:55
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b-minus1 posted:This is not scum ypm imho. Although he is freaking absent today, I thought Pod did sound pretty townie yesterday. Eat The Rich posted:I've told my date and I think Humalong is town based on the results I got last night. I don't get how this is supposed to clear Hum, though. If someone was tracked going to me last night that'd be one thing, it could imply they were a doc who saved my rear end from Nat. But not even that would with for Humalong since he had already claimed to have some "traditionally scummy" role instead. Don't go spoiling things if it'll implicate anyone I guess, but maybe just have another hard think about it amongst yourselves too check your work, seeing as ETR was already confused earlier about which role AA even claimed to him before?
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I needed a refresh on this game so I did a full reread. Gonna split it into 3 sections - Lean Town, Neutral, Lean Scum. Alphabetical order otherwise. Lean Town AnAnonymousIdiot (LEAN TOWN) - Posting his way feels perfectly normal for AAI to me honestly. Same with his conduct around end of D1. - When pressed, he DID provide a breakdown of his assessment of each person, which goes a long way. - I think the "reasons undisclosed" thing Bif jumped on is just his way of phrasing things unnecessarily dramatically sometimes. Bifauxnen (LEAN TOWN) - This is town Bif. She's pressuring people, posturing, and jumping on small things that others would generally gloss over. Eat The Rich (LEAN TOWN) - New player, coasting on Day 1 fits the metric of a newbie townie power role - Freely claimed role D2 to ask a valid setup spec question - Specifically did not fullclaim out of trying to keep folks "safe" - this is a townie perspective Mr. Humalong (LEAN TOWN) - I covered him D1, while his initial posts were scummy his reactions to pressure felt frustrated townie as they played out. - His conduct on D2 feels townie too - scum would just push past what happened D1 and try to focus the conversation elsewhere, so this rings townie: Mr. Humalong posted:I blame only myself for not unvoting so I could hammer myself before Bif hammered the lunch on Somber (who honestly did not help his case by being lurker town but whatever, I’m really not one to talk about people not helping their case). Natural 20 (LEAN TOWN) - Specifically did not engage Day 1 - Claimed a failed shot on Bif N1 as a 1-shot vig due to (yes yes) both statistics and protecting himself against the risk of a scum Bif - Note: Has specifically withheld kills as a SK for the entire game after he locked himself into a claim, so it's not outside the realm of possibility. - I dislike how he says Bif didn't justify her hammer vote on Somber, when she had brought up Somber previously and it was almost a no-execute. - I would be on him today for going back to Humalong without considering anything else, but he's pivoted off that already. Your Personal Muse (LEAN TOWN) - Came out hard during early game with his pressuring on AAI, runs counter to his scum play from Shine V (which was a far bigger game, but still) - Correctly pressured Somber for what was frankly a nonsensical backing of a nonsense case, even if Somber flipped town I still find that townie
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Neutral Anomalous Amalgam (NEUTRAL) - I could see either direction here, honestly. AA is someone I have a blind spot for, since he posts in the same stream-of-consciousness way regardless of alignment (which I find different to follow) - He did spend time on D1 pointing out b-, and while I don't agree with his vote on YPM his general analysis for D2 seems to be coming from a townie place. - Claimed some kind of results that clear humalong. Still raising an eyebrow at two town observer power roles in a masonry - His saying that he has results that give him "reason to believe" huma is town conflict with what Eat The Rich said. - I want a claim of what he is, voyeur or something else? He plays vague when trying to bullshit as scum. b-minus1 (NEUTRAL) - This post pinged me early-game as overly self-conscious: b-minus1 posted:lol sorry bud. im still riding around a two month town streak (as well as a two month winless streak - The only thing that keeps me from calling him scum is how he pointed out that the push on humalong could have been scum-motivated as nobody was trying to defend/divert - Never completed this (he just posted in responses to other people's assessment of the humalong/somber votes) b-minus1 posted:I have some thoughts about how the humalong/somber votes went down but it’s gotta wait until I get to a computer
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Lean Scum Hal Incandenza (LEAN SCUM) - Fairly noncommittal during Day 1, went back and forth between huma/Somber (I see some hedging here, in retrospect) - Mostly surface-level engagement - I have a hard time reading Hal in general, but I could see him as scum here. I need more today. Moatillata (LEAN SCUM) - Backed Huma based on masonchat even though Huma claimed a scummy role (but did mention a bunch of minuses against him) - Said Bif felt scummy on D1 and dropped pretty fast - has not revisited on Day 2, I want to see this today - Called for analyzing the votes on D1, has not done so (traveling, but still) - Tinfoil hat about his rallying for votes near end of D1, if Somber and Huma are both town this could have been a way to get Cred. Tommunist (LEAN SCUM) - Latched onto Humalong for a pretty tenuous early game case (agreed w/o vote) - Promised more takes, has just been coasting at this point without providing them.
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Bifauxnen posted:Maf edit : not even that would work * any goodwill you earned for :justatrus: has now been REVOKED for breaking my beautiful combo up
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:##vote somber Where was your case? Anomalous Amalgam posted:OK, I missed where he said he did admit to thinking he saw something. My bad everyone. My reading comprehension is deplorable, but my excuse is that Yami's game was ending. This was your “case” on Somber, which you made at the beginning and then dropped it. You are voting me for having pretty much the same vote on Somber that you did. The only difference is I didn’t have a vote on someone who wasn’t going to get lynched that day because I’m not scum who wants to stay on the side line.
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Sep 9, 2018 20:59
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Podima posted:Natural 20 (LEAN TOWN) Mafia edit: I said it last night and I'll say it again here - I am willing, at least for today, to believe the 1-shot town vig claim given the way that he came out with it immediately and has defended it with consistent reasoning.
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Podima posted:AA while you're here, be exact. Are you a voyeur (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur) or something else? You've already been outed as a power role, you may as well be specific. I remember from scumming with you that you tend to get vague/evasive in that mindset to avoid being locked down. I'll clear this up since they're afk and I need posts. Anomalous Amalgam posted:I'll do it to clear the air. It's me AA. I crumbed our affiliation earlier, but I'm not a tracker. I'm a voyeur essentially, I explained privately that I was a watcher variant. He's a voyeur. Anomalous Amalgam posted:I may float some things that run contrary to the norm, but that's a major discredit to me. Scum often push this meta read as a way of discrediting my cases and forcing easy pushes. I tracked Hum, not AA. I can't really give much more without implicating a third person, but the crumbs are there.
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Podima posted:Mafia edit: I said it last night and I'll say it again here - I am willing, at least for today, to believe the 1-shot town vig claim given the way that he came out with it immediately and has defended it with consistent reasoning. yeah, I gotta say from my unique perspective as well that I also buy the idea he took a scorched earth approach to the potential Reverse Jafar scenario
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Sep 9, 2018 21:05
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Bifauxnen posted:Although he is freaking absent today, I thought Pod did sound pretty townie yesterday. He didn't specify his role until I asked in the thread.
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Eat The Rich posted:He didn't specify his role until I asked in the thread. asked what, about the odds of two trackers?
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