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The only kind of pride in appearing on Fox News should be AOC style when you enjoy that they accurately present your policy platform with derision and fear. Actual leftists that won't cower before them are the right's worst nightmare.
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Sep 11, 2018 08:17
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The only kind of pride in appearing on Fox News should be AOC style when you enjoy that they accurately present your policy platform with derision and fear. it kinda owns that the right wing and mainstream media (but I repeat myself, natch) has spent the last 30 years painting neoliberal ideas as communist nazi socialist policies to the point where when an actual leftist starts talking about actual leftist things they have no real defense against it other than "doesn't free healthcare and a living wage sound horrible?"
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Sep 11, 2018 08:23
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Shear Modulus posted:https://twitter.com/thetomzone/status/1038952268543025152
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Sep 11, 2018 12:10
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Main Paineframe posted:hell fuckin yeah
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Sep 11, 2018 12:10
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also lmao @ the people melting down at glenn greenwald itt by completely fabricating events or what glenn has said or being mad he went on a cable news show
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Sep 11, 2018 12:13
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glenn on the common fabrications of his claims https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psjdk5jJ83w&t=958s
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Sep 11, 2018 12:18
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Gringostar posted:or at least if you're gonna go on the white supremacist network try to avoid the anchor that dedicated a show to poo poo like this
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Sep 11, 2018 12:26
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The failing failing New York Times thread
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Sep 11, 2018 12:30
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:all of Fox News is propaganda, that’s the whole point, the only difference between them and Infowars is tone and giving either one your time and effort to try and appeal to the reasonable members of their audience is doomed to fail https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2003/02/06/irrefutable/e598b1be-a78a-4a42-8e1a-c336f7a217f4/?noredirect=on
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Sep 11, 2018 12:33
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dore did a good vid on the nyt liberal brain worms of calling out cuomo for the disgusting mailer and then still endorsing him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UgsuOh9ZA
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Sep 11, 2018 12:34
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comedyblissoption posted:any day now this 2-term governor will show this vaunted "potential" of leadership I'm pretty sure they're actually talking about his potential to lead as president lmao.
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Sep 11, 2018 13:14
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Sep 11, 2018 13:35
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this orwellian language is getting really obnoxious. imagine if someone accused nike of sowing "division" and "chaos" over kaepernick
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Sep 11, 2018 13:44
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the thing about going on someone else's platform is that they control the platform. they get to control the questions and shout down or shut down any subject they don't like, they can toss in weird derails to distract from whatever you're saying, they can declare the interview over any time, and hell, they can even edit the footage or cut stuff out if they want. and even if you complain about it later, their platform is mostly watched by their fans, who will naturally be inclined to side with them and support them if there's any dispute i assume some people are probably charismatic and skilled enough to handle that and still come out looking good despite the home field advantage being against them. but most people aren't
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Sep 11, 2018 13:51
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:what about bernie sanders being a not infrequent guest of the o’reilly factor i havent seen those but id imagine hes theres in an adversarial capacity. and the o reilly factor wasnt nearly as reactionary as the carlson show even then i wouldnt condone it. no one should ever go on fox news as a matter of pure principle
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Sep 11, 2018 15:10
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Percelus posted:the only reason tucker carlson is suddenly the most white supremacist guy on cable news is because greenwald has gone on quite a few times and using carlson as a smear is easier than refuting what greenwald says lol now thats just some paranoid bullshit. tucker carlson has been using explicitly white supremacist language for a while now. its a thing
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Sep 11, 2018 15:12
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Tucker literally staked out an anti-diversity position on national TV last week, but in fact he is being blacklisted by Joseph McCarthy
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Sep 11, 2018 15:52
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Thanks to the many Very Smart Posters itt for clarifying that the best way to criticize the media is to shout into the void.
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Sep 11, 2018 15:59
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Just lol if the void hasn't consumed you completely by now
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Sep 11, 2018 16:05
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Diogenes of Sinope posted:Thanks to the many Very Smart Posters itt for clarifying that the best way to criticize the media is to shout into the void. judging from how whiny bret stephens is being, apparently the best way to criticize the media is to drop sick burns on them on twitter
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Sep 11, 2018 16:06
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Main Paineframe posted:judging from how whiny bret stephens is being, apparently the best way to criticize the media is to drop sick burns on them on twitter things just haven’t been the same ever since he got “ratioed”
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Sep 11, 2018 16:37
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Drawn and "Ratioed"
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Sep 11, 2018 16:40
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read this and plow through the navelgazing, don't stop until you get to the super slam loool The deranged and degraded New York Times
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Sep 11, 2018 16:55
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Diogenes of Sinope posted:Thanks to the many Very Smart Posters itt for clarifying that the best way to criticize the media is to shout into the void. but think about the optics of shouting into the void not a good look imo
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Sep 11, 2018 17:02
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Phone posted:but think about the optics of shouting into the void the next 6 screams into the void are critical
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Sep 11, 2018 17:08
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really queer Christmas posted:\ I could definitely be out of the loop, but butina is still accused of conspiracy and acting as an unregistered foreign agent, eg. through communication with torshin etc, yes? her alleged crimes are more than "had sex in exchange for favors"? I don't understand how "prosecutors hosed up trying to push something salacious" and "there is credible evidence butina committed crimes" are mutually exclusive. moreover, I still don't understand the need to be contrarian about this stuff. I am with david klion on this (whoever told me about this dude, probably in the succ zone, thanks). just because various succers want to use "rich oligarchs, both foreign and domestic, attempted to infiltrate the electoral process to make a fuckload of money and accidentally got a piss golem elected, to their delight" to preserve their own power doesn't mean said subversion by said oligarchs never happened, nor that it is cool and good. but more importantly: gently caress the new york times, holy poo poo, that cuomo article gladkjshasgadsg
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Sep 11, 2018 17:11
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Main Paineframe posted:judging from how whiny bret stephens is being, apparently the best way to criticize the media is to drop sick burns on them on twitter bret stephens's second ever column as a nyt columnist was about how everyone should be nicer to him on twitter (his first was about global warming is a hoax)
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Sep 11, 2018 17:20
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medicare for all polls better than global warming is a hoax and the failing nyt still doesnt have an op-ed writer on it smh
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Sep 11, 2018 17:28
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The NY Times published a great work of "centrist" trash today, in case you wanted to read a ridiculously oversimplified one-cause history of "populism". Its take on the UK post-recession is particularly laughable, and he's basically stretching the term "populist" to its breaking point (basically anything that isn't third-way Clintonism is bad bad bad). The whole thing reads like dnc.txt https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/10/business/dealbook/financial-crisis-trump.html
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Sep 11, 2018 19:47
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populism is when the rich people in manhattan don't get the things they like
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Sep 11, 2018 19:49
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Gunshow Poophole posted:read this and plow through the navelgazing, don't stop until you get to the super slam loool I can't do it. It's just so loving tedious and overwritten. What's the catch
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Sep 11, 2018 19:54
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populism is when democracy works as intended instead of elites just doing as they please
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Sep 11, 2018 19:55
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Someone tell me the good part of this latest solipsistic dissertation in n+1 about how being a writer is haaaard, man, you guys don't even get it e: hosed it
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Sep 11, 2018 19:59
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n+1 owns, and, is good
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Sep 11, 2018 19:59
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GalacticAcid posted:n+1 owns, and, is good This is the first thing of their I've read and yeah Link me something good
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Sep 11, 2018 20:00
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Crane Fist posted:This is the first thing of their I've read and yeah Check the OP here --> periodicals chat there's a section on n+1. if anything is paywalled that you're interested in, lmk and I'll PM you
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Sep 11, 2018 20:02
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The N+avelgazing Editors posted:Yet these debates are still more tolerable than what’s happening in the pages of the Times. Since Donald Trump’s election, new prominence has been given to an otherwise deranged and degraded form: the op-ed. The Times op-ed page — along with its basic best friend, the Washington Post op-ed page, and its evil, basement-dwelling older brother, the Wall Street Journal op-ed page — should have gone the way of the classifieds section. Instead it exerts a malevolent gravitational pull, delivering with punishing regularity an endless stream of annoying and offensive provocations. alternatively just maybe enjoy some prose I dunno I like this format writers deserve some me time
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Sep 11, 2018 20:05
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the conclusion of the article is how the failing new york times oped page sucks balls and james bennet has crafted a cesspit indistinguishable from facebook or youtube comments sections. they should have finished that thought and said outright that weiss and stephens and david brooks are functionally identical to yiannopolous and jordan peterson and bill oreilly
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Combining both topics from this page, Democracy without the People by Thea Riofrancos in n+1 issue 28 was excellent, on Latin American left populism as a necessary and good counter to conservative reaction.
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