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CharlestheHammer posted:I do feel it’s weird Hbomberguy hates RLM as I have watched his videos on shows and from a critical point of view the styles are basically the same. From what they critic to how they do it. I doubt Harris 'hates' RLM at all. He's just got a brainworm-tier tic to throw poo poo to the wind to defend his bad videos, "and actually you dumbass, you loving moron, they are good".
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Sep 13, 2018 15:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:I do feel it’s weird Hbomberguy hates RLM as I have watched his videos on shows and from a critical point of view the styles are basically the same. From what they critic to how they do it. its because he fell into that weird culture war stupid hole of "well if the chuds hate it, it must be the most amazing thing ever and goodest thing because the other side hates it, there for anyone who doesn't like it is outright immoral". its kinda disappointing. also, i liked that movie too but its not to spite some moron online.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:19
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Most people don't actually know why the dislike the SW prequels because a) they haven't seen them fully through in forever; b) the nerd consensus at the time was shaped by then 20 year olds who didn't want a kid and a woman front and center; c) star wars makes people crazy the only reason RLM's creepy dungeon videos on the prequels were as successful as they were is because they lent terrible "criticism" a veneer of legitimacy; now everyone has distributed talking points they can parrot god forbid someone like hbomb go, "um those RLM critiques aren't...good?" Dapper_Swindler posted:its because he fell into that weird culture war stupid hole of "well if the chuds hate it, it must be the most amazing thing ever and goodest thing because the other side hates it, there for anyone who doesn't like it is outright immoral". its kinda disappointing. also, i liked that movie too but its not to spite some moron online. what on earth what makes you think this 
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Sep 13, 2018 15:21
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Waffles Inc. posted:Most people don't actually know why the dislike the SW prequels because a) they haven't seen them in the past few years; b) the nerd consensus at the time was shaped by then 20 year olds who didn't want a kid and a woman front and center; c) star wars makes people crazy i watched the prequels a couple months ago and the really don't hold up and arnt good movies, and this is someone who grew up with them as "their" star wars. i think RLM makes pretty good points about the movies. they have issues and such but they have alot of good points. did you see how many people went ape poo poo over the TLJ review. hell people called RLM alt right monsters because of it. Hbomber was probably the nicest one.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:23
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i watched the prequels a couple months ago and the really don't hold up and arnt good movies, and this is someone who grew up with them as "their" star wars. i think RLM makes pretty good points about the movies. they have issues and such but they have alot of good points. No no; you don't understand. The self-described intellectual has spoken. Dapper_Swindler posted:i watched the prequels a couple months ago and the really don't hold up and arnt good movies, and this is someone who grew up with them as "their" star wars. i think RLM makes pretty good points about the movies. they have issues and such but they have alot of good points. Yeah, even i remember liking the prequels as a 9-13 y/o, heck I still like RoTS. Also the reactions of people to anyone saying they didn't like TLJ got loving tiresome. No, I'm not some chud cause i thought your 2/3rds of your death-hill movie was bad.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:26
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Dapper_Swindler posted:did you see how many people went ape poo poo over the TLJ review. hell people called RLM alt right monsters because of it. Hbomber was probably the nicest one. isn't it possible that people just disagreed with their views on TLJ? StealthArcher posted:No no; you don't understand. The self-described intellectual has spoken. what on earth OP
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Sep 13, 2018 15:26
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Waffles Inc. posted:what on earth OP "Most people don't know why they dislike things they dislike, truly, I am the arbiter of why thing considered bad was good actually"
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Sep 13, 2018 15:30
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Waffles Inc. posted:isn't it possible that people just disagreed with their views on TLJ? Read the collected tweets. They are a dozen or so pages back. It’s different then “we disagree with your opinion on the movie” also I didn’t agree fully with the rlm video about Tlj but I don’t view it as some conservative attack on progressive values like a bunch of people did.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:31
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StealthArcher posted:"Most people don't know why they dislike things they dislike, truly, I am the arbiter of why thing considered bad was good actually" Waffles Inc. posted:what on earth OP it's true that many people do not know how to articulate why they don't like some of the art they don't like you've never heard anyone say, "I just didn't like it" and then not be able to explain the reasons why? how else do you describe that?
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Sep 13, 2018 15:32
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can we just worldfilter RLM to The Most Holy Prophet or something so it looks less weird when people spend pages going 'you don't like RLM's new video? My god you must be sick in the head'?
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Sep 13, 2018 15:35
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Dapper_Swindler posted:its because he fell into that weird culture war stupid hole of "well if the chuds hate it, it must be the most amazing thing ever and goodest thing because the other side hates it, there for anyone who doesn't like it is outright immoral". its kinda disappointing. also, i liked that movie too but its not to spite some moron online.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:35
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Read the collected tweets. They are a dozen or so pages back. It’s different then “we disagree with your opinion on the movie” also I didn’t agree fully with the rlm video about Tlj but I don’t view it as some conservative attack on progressive values like a bunch of people did. oh word? i missed those and can't find em here in the thread fwiw you could be right and I think that it's a shame that where one stands on TLJ seems to be a political ideology on the internet now
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Sep 13, 2018 15:38
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sexpig by night posted:can we just worldfilter RLM to The Most Holy Prophet or something so it looks less weird when people spend pages going 'you don't like RLM's new video? My god you must be sick in the head'? Maybe trying being less like a child it might help you.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:40
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Terrible Opinions posted:Hbomb has liked the prequels since long before Star Wars became a major battleline in the culture war. In this very thread well before he was even posting analytical videos to youtube and his entire output consisting of playing family guy guys and hitman, he was defending the prequels. Like it's seriously okay for someone to unironically like something bad for completely sincere reasons. Ok I think I miss read something earlier. I mean the last Jedi comments not the prequels. He can like them if he wants. Anyone can. I have a soft spot for 1.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:41
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Either way saying someone liked or disliked a movie for motives that imply they are fake is really weird. Maybe people actually think the prequels are bad/good. The fact anytime RLM gets brought up it turns into a weird slapfight were people don’t even engage the content but try desperately to dunk on them is sad.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:43
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Best of the Worst is good Wheel of the Worst is very good You know what the next page of posts is gonna be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5sk0RUlS4
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Sep 13, 2018 15:47
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CharlestheHammer posted:Either way saying someone liked or disliked a movie for motives that imply they are fake is really weird. Maybe people actually think the prequels are bad/good. The content is bad. For instance, re: the prequel videos: - The opening exercise of describing OT characters and PT characters is heavily biased towards the demographics of people in the videos and also the pop culture saturation of the OT; describing PT characters with the same kind of easy trope-y shorthand is just as easy as it is with the OT (also even if you couldn't, and they were "right" about that point, it wouldn't make the movie bad) Here in the Internet Personality + Review thread i believe it is right and correct to say that their reviews are bad criticism
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Sep 13, 2018 15:48
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Waffles Inc. posted:oh word? i missed those and can't find em here in the thread After doing a bit of back digging, I ?think? these are the ones referenced. The only post of a bunch anyway, was in the RLM thread, not here, so easy to miss seing they're only in quotes  super sweet best pal posted:https://twitter.com/Garebear__11/status/1034459268735414272
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Sep 13, 2018 15:49
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Pre-Disney, I thought RLM helped "end" the conversation about Star Wars. Like, I wouldn't mind if nobody ever talked about Star Wars ever again after its ROTS review. And nerdom moved on. I barely want to talk about Star Wars now, and it's loving culture war flashpoint. Ugh. Anyway, the worst prequel defense is the revisionism. The fiction that people loved them until RLM came along.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:49
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Waffles Inc. posted:The content is bad. For instance, re: the prequel videos: That’s the weirdest one to pick as they are correct, you honestly can’t get much character from any of the episode one characters. Some of their complaints are nitpicks and you probably should have gone more towards the anakin padme thing as that started weird. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Sep 13, 2018 15:50
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CharlestheHammer posted:That’s the weirdest one to pick as they are correct, you honestly can’t get much character from any of the episode one characters. they're not correct tho? and yes, you can? Echo Chamber posted:Anyway, the worst prequel defense is the revisionism. The fiction that people loved them until RLM came along. this is not a fiction. the opposite is the fiction. simon pegg is a shithead here, he's yelling at a kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4TX6x2WLgk spaced was made in 1999 Waffles Inc. fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Sep 13, 2018 |
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Sep 13, 2018 15:51
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Waffles Inc. posted:they're not correct tho? Ooh, let me try: But, u rong tho?
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Sep 13, 2018 15:52
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Waffles Inc. posted:they're not correct tho? I mean not really, it gets a little better in two but honestly only Anikin has a real character.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:53
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StealthArcher posted:Ooh, let me try: I mean what else can I say aside from, "i disagree?"
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Sep 13, 2018 15:55
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Wait are you arguing people loved the prequels when they came out, because regardless of how you feel about the movie that is objectively not true. It also doesn’t really matter.
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Sep 13, 2018 15:55
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wait are you arguing people loved the prequels when they came out, because regardless of how you feel about the movie that is objectively not true. they clearly did? have you met: - children - critics - offline people whoever this nobody is Roger Ebert posted:What he does have, in abundance, is exhilaration. There is a sense of discovery in scene after scene of "The Phantom Menace," as he tries out new effects and ideas, and seamlessly integrates real characters and digital ones, real landscapes and imaginary places. We are standing at the threshold of a new age of epic cinema, I think, in which digital techniques mean that budgets will no longer limit the scope of scenes; filmmakers will be able to show us just about anything they can imagine. go offline sometimes OP
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Sep 13, 2018 16:00
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I personally find figuring out whether or not a person is voicing an opinion in good faith very useful. Someone conjuring an entire narrative to posture an opinion is something that lets me know there really isn't much worth talking about.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:01
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I felt like Qui-gon Jinn was a legitimately good prequel character. Someone trying to do right by his personal moral compass while the galaxy around him imploded and the folks that he both respected and mentored failed him. Helped that Liam Neeson put in a good performance.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:02
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Echo Chamber posted:I personally find figuring out whether or not a person is voicing an opinion in good faith very useful. it's unreal to me that online people are so flummoxed by people talking about the prequels that they think it's an elaborate fiction, or trolling the popular narrative does not always reflect the reality. for instance, this review of ANH reflected a popular opinion in 1977 that fell out of fashion over time Variety's review of ANH in 1977 posted:And then there is that distressing thing called the Force, which is not a flat-footed allusion to New York’s finest but Lucas’s tribute to something beyond science: imagination, the soul, God in man. It is what Ben Kenobi passes on to Luke, making the receiver invulnerable, though it hardly protected the giver’s skin. It appears in various contradictory and finally nonsensical guises, a facile and perfunctory bow to metaphysics. I wish that Lucas had had the courage of his materialistic convictions, instead dragging in a sop to a spiritual force the main thrust of the movie so cheerfully ignores. Still, Star Wars will do very nicely for those lucky enough to be children or unlucky enough never to have grown up. Here's the WSJ's take on ANH Wall Street Journal in 1977 posted:There's something depressing about seeing all these impressive cinematic gifts and all this extraordinary technological skills lavished on such puerile materials. Perhaps more important is what this seems to accomplish: the canonization of comic book culture which in turn becomes the triumph of the standardized, the simplistic, mass-produced commercial artifacts of our time. It's the triumph of camp; that sentiment which takes delight in the awful simply because it's awful.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:03
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I forgot hbomberguy was a goon lmao
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Sep 13, 2018 16:04
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Waffles wins arguments by assuming that everyone argues in bad faith at all times. Mainly by assuming that everyone who is talking in this thread now wasn't a literal child when the prequels came out. Like maybe my memory is incredibly faulty, but pretty much everyone turned on the prequels not when the RLM reviews came out years later, but when Attack of the Clones came out and was super boring, and right on the heels of another much better "event" movie in Lord of the Rings.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:06
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Terrible Opinions posted:Waffles wins arguments by assuming that everyone argues in bad faith at all times. Mainly by assuming that everyone who is talking in this thread now wasn't a literal child when the prequels came out. Like maybe my memory is incredibly faulty, but pretty much everyone turned on the prequels not when the RLM reviews came out years later, but when Attack of the Clones came out and was super boring, and right on the heels of another much better "event" movie in Lord of the Rings. maybe online people "turned" on AOTC but let's look at two sets of reviews and see if we can determine which set belongs to TPM and which belongs to AOTC   my point is not that I think everyone is arguing in bad faith, but that what actually happened fell down some sort of meme-inspired memory hole
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Sep 13, 2018 16:10
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Terrible Opinions posted:Waffles wins arguments by assuming that everyone argues in bad faith at all times. Mainly by assuming that everyone who is talking in this thread now wasn't a literal child when the prequels came out. Like maybe my memory is incredibly faulty, but pretty much everyone turned on the prequels not when the RLM reviews came out years later, but when Attack of the Clones came out and was super boring, and right on the heels of another much better "event" movie in Lord of the Rings. Phantom Menace was the first Star wars I could actually follow properly since I was too young to read the subtitles fast enough with the older ones. i did not like it
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Sep 13, 2018 16:11
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I remember there was a taint of desperation as each subsequent one came out and where everyone was hoping it wouldn't be as terrible as the last. I was 23 and when Episode 1 came out.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:Wait are you arguing people loved the prequels when they came out, because regardless of how you feel about the movie that is objectively not true. I liked them when they came out because I was 10 and I had no real barometer of quality. When I grew up I started slowly realizing they weren’t as good as young me thought. This was before rlm and all that. Do I dislike them as much as rlm, no, because I have good memories associated with them like seeing them with parents and my best friend. But I still personally think they are bad loving movies.
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Sep 13, 2018 16:14
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oh are we doing this now too? I was 11 and I loved it my cousins who i saw it with were 9, 11 an 13 and they loved it too my 13 year old sister liked it my dad did not like it my aunt and uncle did not like it my mom did
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Sep 13, 2018 16:15
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Hey maybe instead of making up stories about the motives of people we disagree with we instead talk about literally anything but this stupid argument again.
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the phantom menace of the phantom menace discourse
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