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Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

BiggerBoat posted:

Well, I'd prefer not but what do you like about him?

His work comes off stiff and generic to me and the camera always seems to be at eye level looking straight on at the scene. There's never really much depth to his compositions either or any dynamic use of contrast or cropping. I'm sure there are examples out there refuting this but overall he's just sort of plain to me.

His work IS stiff, but I can't hate the man who drew this page:

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Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


What's the context of Supes having a cry?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Infinitum posted:

What's the context of Supes having a cry?

Time-displaced supergirl and the legion paid him a visit shortly after not-time-displaced Supergirl died.


Superman comics are so drat stupid.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Infinitum posted:

What's the context of Supes having a cry?

Superman just had a visit from the future basically saying "we're coming to see you before you die." He's current barricaded in his fortress with his few remaining friends because all his villains teamed up and got murdery. It was a lot more effective before that became the norm.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Lurdiak posted:

Time-displaced supergirl and the legion paid him a visit shortly after not-time-displaced Supergirl died.


Superman comics are so drat stupid.

It's okay Supes, they'll reboot you next week and she'll be alive again!

The New 53! Can't wait!

Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

Infinitum posted:

What's the context of Supes having a cry?

It's from "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" by Alan Moore and Curt Swan. It's really, really good.


Lurdiak posted:

Superman comics are so drat stupid.

Not cool, bro.

Lencho fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Sep 13, 2018

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


ImpAtom posted:

Superman just had a visit from the future basically saying "we're coming to see you before you die." He's current barricaded in his fortress with his few remaining friends because all his villains teamed up and got murdery. It was a lot more effective before that became the norm.

Oh sorry, I got time travel sad moments confused.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Lurdiak posted:

Oh sorry, I got time travel sad moments confused.

No, that happened too. Supergirl was with the Legion when they showed up to give him the trophy.

Mister Mind
Mar 20, 2009

I'm not a real doctor,
But I am a real worm;
I am an actual worm

muscles like this! posted:

No, that happened too. Supergirl was with the Legion when they showed up to give him the trophy.

'Supergirl is...in the past..." :cry:

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Lencho posted:

His work IS stiff, but I can't hate the man who drew this page:


Imagine reading this as one the first comic book you've ever read. You know all these guys from Superfriends on TV and movies, and then there's Bizarro's backward logic making him commit suicide and Brainiac doing that horrifying scene from Superman III but on Lex Luthor and the story's opening made it very clear that Superman was going to lose and die. That's a comic that will gently caress you up.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
The entire story is wonderful and beautifully illustrated.


BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW CURT SWAN SUCKS OR SOMETHING

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

I find peak Alan Moore and Frank Miller to be a lot harder to like nowadays if only because of how it served as a blueprint for so much of the idiocy that came after. I can't blame them personally for it, though Miller certainly wrote a lot of that bullshit himself as time went on, but just looking at the big ones, they were groundbreaking stories but the imitators came along and now they just seem part and parcel of that particular age of comics to come.

That said, Moore does hold up better than Miller, probably if only for the fact that he was able to tonally shift his writing, where Miller has one mode for better or worse.

remusclaw fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 15, 2018

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Random Stranger posted:

Imagine reading this as one the first comic book you've ever read. You know all these guys from Superfriends on TV and movies, and then there's Bizarro's backward logic making him commit suicide and Brainiac doing that horrifying scene from Superman III but on Lex Luthor and the story's opening made it very clear that Superman was going to lose and die. That's a comic that will gently caress you up.

I'm assuming it wasn't on the original release but I love this bit of text they put at the opening of the collected version.

"This is an IMAGINARY STORY
(which may never happen, but then again may)
about a perfect man who came from the sky and did only good.
It tells of his twilight, when the great battles were over
and the great miracles long since performed;
of how his enemies conspired against him and of that final war
in the snowblind wastes beneath the Northern Lights;
of the women he loved and of the choice he made between them;
of how he broke his most sacred oath, and how finally all the things
he had were taken from him save one.
It ends with a wink.
It begins in a quiet midwestern future.
Away in the big city, people still sometimes glance up hopefully from
the sidewalks, glimpsing a distant speck in the sky...but no; it's only a
bird, only a plane --- Superman died ten years ago.

This is an IMAGINARY STORY....
Aren't they all?"

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

remusclaw posted:

That said, Moore does hold up better than Miller, probably if only for the fact that he was able to tonally shift his writing, where Miller has one mode for better or worse.





Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



muscles like this! posted:

I'm assuming it wasn't on the original release but I love this bit of text they put at the opening of the collected version.

That text is at the start of the issue. It was removed every time it was collected for about two decades.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/renfamous/status/1041386240703164418

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


I need her 500% sluttier and 500% more mystical!
Ankhs and tits as far as the eye can see!

THIS AIN'T YOUR GRANDMA'S SAILOR MOON!

zoux
Apr 28, 2006



I saw this and thought, hmm Timm Mr. Freeze and Breyfogle Batman but actually, I learned that Mignola did the redesign of Freeze's costume for BTAS.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Yeah, DC would never publish a comic with scantily clad women:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Is that supposed to be Montoya

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
You know when you're sleeping, and you're just on the verge of waking up, and you stretch your legs out cause it feels so nice, but you stretch just that little bit too far and your calf muscle goes "hey whAT THE gently caress" and you're rocketed awake by the shooting pain in your lower legs and you've got approximately eight seconds to haul yourself out of bed and stretch that muscle out by doing the "try to push the wall over" exercise, otherwise the muscle will roll itself up like a cheap window blind and you'll be hobbling around the office all morning?

These poor women all hit the nine second mark and I feel so bad for them

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




zoux posted:

Is that supposed to be Montoya

It's Selina Kyle, I don't think that Montoya even exists in the DC comics anymore.

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006


Gotta include the "biologically female" part because why not be transphobic on top of being a sexist dickhead.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
It's really important that you, the reader, appreciate that my female character actually as a flappy vagina with a hole and stuff and a baby might pop out of it

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Can't say I've ever seen a vagina, grade A or otherwise, in my funnybooks. Milo Manara has the decency to just graphically suggest the pubis mons.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


I thought the sword was made from her hair for a second there.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Monaghan posted:

Gotta include the "biologically female" part because why not be transphobic on top of being a sexist dickhead.

It's really the USDA who are transphobic. They just won't certify post-op boobs and vaginas higher than Grade B.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005



I like that she's wearing a skirt that, if she were to stand up straight, would cover literally nothing. It's basically a waist ruffle at this point.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Gotta cover as little of the thong as possible.

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

It looks part and parcel with that company who makes the stripper robin hood lady comic
and other fairy tale strippers comics.

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
There's probably gonna be at least three of those.

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

goatface posted:

Gotta cover as little of the thong as possible.

I feel like the thong pulled way up over the hipbones is a very early 2000s look, whic is probably when that guy stopped maturing emotionally

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

Elfface
Nov 14, 2010

Da-na-na-na-na-na-na
IRON JONAH

muscles like this! posted:

I like that she's wearing a skirt that, if she were to stand up straight, would cover literally nothing. It's basically a waist ruffle at this point.

Don't worry, she can never stand up straight. Foreverially hip-cocked.

Hemingway To Go!
Nov 10, 2008

im stupider then dog shit, i dont give a shit, and i dont give a fuck, and i will never shut the fuck up, and i'll always Respect my enemys.
- ernest hemingway
I'm pretty impressed. I think even people who like cheesecake would hate this. It's a design only the most hopeless of creeps could love. Maybe the anatomy is competent but even if you called it porn it would be too shameful to appreciate.

I wouldn't even call it the ultimate form of a waifu body pillow, because most waifus are designed to have some semblance of charm and personality or whatever. That's how they get their fanbases. This has less than no taste and has all the personality and charm of a corpse dressed in stolen clothes.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


It's like someone took all the embarrassing elements of Modern Harley Quinn and none of the good ones and grafted them all onto a generic 90s anti-hero.

What is it with these loving people and the 90s?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Lurdiak posted:

It's like someone took all the embarrassing elements of Modern Harley Quinn and none of the good ones and grafted them all onto a generic 90s anti-hero.

What is it with these loving people and the 90s?

They really want their JNCOs back.

JacquelineDempsey
Aug 6, 2008

Women's Circuit Bender Union Local 34



Elfface posted:

Don't worry, she can never stand up straight. Foreverially hip-cocked.

I wouldn't be able to either if my hair was that long. Source: I had hair down to my butt when I was a teen, and that poo poo gets heavy. Hers is what, down to her ankles? When she gets out of the shower or fights in the rain that must weigh about 60 lbs.

Most women get cranky about all the boobs and butts and broken spines in comics (and rightfully so), but as a former long hair haver, my pet peeve is stupidly unrealistic hair. It's a pain in the rear end to deal with, living a normal life; I can't imagine getting in superhero level fights with it. I think that's why I like the short-haired Selina Kyle design so much. When you're breaking into a museum to steal a diamond, ain't nobody got time to gently caress around with bobbypins so you don't get get temporarily blinded by your own hair while hanging upside down from a skylight.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

JacquelineDempsey posted:

I wouldn't be able to either if my hair was that long. Source: I had hair down to my butt when I was a teen, and that poo poo gets heavy. Hers is what, down to her ankles? When she gets out of the shower or fights in the rain that must weigh about 60 lbs.

Most women get cranky about all the boobs and butts and broken spines in comics (and rightfully so), but as a former long hair haver, my pet peeve is stupidly unrealistic hair. It's a pain in the rear end to deal with, living a normal life; I can't imagine getting in superhero level fights with it. I think that's why I like the short-haired Selina Kyle design so much. When you're breaking into a museum to steal a diamond, ain't nobody got time to gently caress around with bobbypins so you don't get get temporarily blinded by your own hair while hanging upside down from a skylight.

Counterpoint: My wife has regular long hair and when it gets wet it can take out an eye. If she practiced a proper headbang or whip motion she'd have a decent attack she could use.

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Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

Lurdiak posted:

It's like someone took all the embarrassing elements of Modern Harley Quinn and none of the good ones and grafted them all onto a generic 90s anti-hero.

What is it with these loving people and the 90s?

I've heard the hilarious argument that "Comics made fantastic sales back in the nineties, therefore we should try to emulate the writing and art style of that period. "

Like for gently caress's sake do you people honestly not know about the speculation bubble that happened with comics?

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