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Windows 98 posted:Enterprise makes Hoshi completely obsolete by routinely forgetting they don’t have working universal translators that talk into their ear. It’s a device they hold in their hand. And then later nearly every episode the aliens speak English until Hoshi is needed for some screen time where the suddenly forget they were always capable of just talking at aliens and understanding. Maybe a lot of those aliens have UTs Never excuses the reading, though, especially of technical iconography
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Yeah, Enterprise largely drops the translator stuff in late season 2, at which point Hoshi becomes Uhura 2.0 unless they need her to stay alone with a weirdo in a boring Beauty & the Beast homage.
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Whalley posted:I can't wait for a star trek show run by not only a showrunner but execs who like, or at least, respect, star trek Yeah the orville is alright
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corn in the bible posted:Yeah the orville is alright Every time I try to watch The Orville something about it fundamentally doesn't sit right with me. For lack of a better way of putting it, I feel like it's stories are both TOO Star Trek AND Not Star Trek Enough. When I say "Too Star Trek," I mean that in so many ways the show feels backward looking. It feels like it's wearing a Next Generation Skin Cloak, even more than I ever felt Voyager did. It wants to tell stories that feel like Star Trek stories, that tackle ISSUES the way Star Trek tackled issues, and it does so by such rote that I can't help but find it grating. As a result I just get this bizarre feeling that I'm watching something with no identity of its own banking on a different IP's nostalgia to make people like it. And when I say "Not Star Trek Enough," I mean that the show just can't help but indulge itself in Seth McFarlane's brand of humor. There are awkward shoehorned Family Guy jokes every time I watch an episode, and they whiplash me right out of any attempt at serious science fiction ideas every time. This isn't even talking about the non-sequiturs, even some of the more serious plot points get delivered in this tone that overflows with like, anti-gravitas. Half the time the show feels like it's a parody with how the characters act either like the Hyper-reality version of A Normal Person, or things meant to ape Scifi Staples, and yet it keeps trying to ostensibly tell Serious Stories between those bits. As a result... I get this bizarre feeling that I'm watching something with no identity of its own banking on a different IP's nostalgia to make people like it. Maybe I just haven't been watching the right episodes, but I've seen at least five or six different ones now and they all leave me with the same distaste, especially the way I keep seeing people take giant dumps on Discovery to prop it up. I haven't seen all of Discovery yet, but the first 6 episodes that I saw were brilliant and fresh and exciting (except most of the Klingon bits). Seeing Diet TNG With Fart Jokes get elevated above that doesn't sit right with me.
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Sanguinia posted:Every time I try to watch The Orville something about it fundamentally doesn't sit right with me. For lack of a better way of putting it, I feel like it's stories are both TOO Star Trek AND Not Star Trek Enough. I can't remember if they've started season 2 yet but apparently they've mostly dropped the screwball comedy angle and are now just rolling with off-brand Trek.
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Sep 18, 2018 08:37
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Has Jonathan Frakes' role behind the scenes on Discovery been expanded for season 2? He's been posting a ton of random photos of him on the set/in the writers room over the past few months and it makes it seem like his role in the series is a bit beyond "guest-directing 1 or 2 episodes a season" Or does he, in typical Frakes fashion, just show up and hang out and make everyone feel good?
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Sep 18, 2018 08:41
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Drone posted:Has Jonathan Frakes' role behind the scenes on Discovery been expanded for season 2? He's been posting a ton of random photos of him on the set/in the writers room over the past few months and it makes it seem like his role in the series is a bit beyond "guest-directing 1 or 2 episodes a season" He just wears his stunning mom jeans around the set and boosts crew morale.
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I totally get why someone could watch The Orville and become overwhelmed by the "knockoff" feeling; I love TNG too and while this show's nostalgic approach doesn't bother me at all personally, I don't think that if I were going to make a Trek series in 2018 I would shoot and edit it exactly the same way TNG was in 1993. Then again, sci fi has been in such a depressive rut since even before 9/11 I find it kind of refreshing to see a show where the sets aren't lit like a loving nightclub and there are more colours than just blue (even *good* sci fi shows fall victim to this, I'm looking at you The Expanse). I also don't think they do Family Guy style humour, I can't recall any cutaway gags and overall the tone of the show feels more like the Stargate franchise before they crawled up their own asses and tried ripping off BSG too. One of these shows is intended as an homage to a particular kind of series that doesn't exist on TV anymore made by someone who understood at least some of the reasons why people loved them, and the other is a grim, messy and cynical pastiche of modern cable drama tropes with transparently focus-grouped fanservice sprinkled liberally over top made by people who want it to prop up a streaming service. Diet TNG with Fart Jokes may not be breaking any new ground but at least it's earnest about what it is, and for all it's nostalgic impulses it doesn't rely on connecting everything directly with Spock and TOS in order to get anyone to care about it's characters or it's setting
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Sep 18, 2018 10:36
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I want a sitcom in the Trek world. Trek has always had fun with itself, so why not? poo poo, set it when Spock was a kid, growing up at home with Sarek and Sybok, I'm sure there's a decent mine of humour there, with Spock constantly fighting against emotions while the rest of his family is super interested in them. Two and a Half Vulcans
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Sep 18, 2018 10:50
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Please don't give them any more Spock ideas...
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Sep 18, 2018 12:03
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An autistic but genius life-form acting far older than his years would suggest possible, offending adults by exposing their hypocrisies and foibles while simultaneously misunderstanding even the most basic social cues From the creators of The Big Voyager Theory comes Young Data
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Sep 18, 2018 12:35
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Hot off the trend of the hit CBS spinoff series 'Young Sheldon', comes a new take on a well loved series, starring an iconic character as you've never seen him before. Premiering this fall on CBS All Access, 'Young Spock' introduces us to the origins of Spock, Sybock, Michael and new sibling Jasmine through their misadventures growing up on the planet Vulcan, avoiding the watchful eyes of Sarek and Uncle Bradley.
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Sep 18, 2018 12:45
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Even Younger Wesley
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Sep 18, 2018 12:47
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Star Trek: Worf: Origins: Requiem
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Sep 18, 2018 13:49
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All my Vorta please
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Sep 18, 2018 13:55
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The Bloop posted:All my Vorta
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Sep 18, 2018 14:30
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Welcome Back Kotter, except it’s Weyoun as Kotter. Same scripts and everything, don’t even change a word.
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Sep 18, 2018 14:40
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Morn About You Jamaharon in the City Two Guys, A Girl, and a Root Beer Place George & Grace Great Bolian Bake-Off
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The Bachelor Starring Garret Wang
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Alf except it's about a human who lands on Kronos sometime in the 1980s somehow and the house of Mogh has to keep him a secret.
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Sep 18, 2018 14:51
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How I Met Your Prophet
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Sep 18, 2018 14:53
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or How I Met Your Moogie
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Cheers but it's in Ten-Forward and Morn's back
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Drone posted:How I Met Your Moogie It's Always Sunny in Ferenginar . Fresh Prince of Bajor. Silicon Based Life Form Valley. The Weyoun Brothers. Remus 911.
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The Bloop posted:An autistic but genius life-form acting far older than his years would suggest possible, offending adults by exposing their hypocrisies and foibles while simultaneously misunderstanding even the most basic social cues His catchphrase would be "positronic"
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Watching "The Outcast", as a gay adult male, for the first time since I was a teenager. First off: episode is very good, but...Rick Berman is a total rear end in a top hat Second off: wtf I totally forgot there was a period where Geordi had a beard. Drone fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Sep 18, 2018 |
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Sep 18, 2018 19:28
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S03E17 - Sins of the Father. God drat this klingon's leather getup is squeaky.
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RIP Charles. She killed herself right after she named herself. E: ..... itself?
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Tighclops posted:I totally get why someone could watch The Orville and become overwhelmed by the "knockoff" feeling; I love TNG too and while this show's nostalgic approach doesn't bother me at all personally, I don't think that if I were going to make a Trek series in 2018 I would shoot and edit it exactly the same way TNG was in 1993. Then again, sci fi has been in such a depressive rut since even before 9/11 I find it kind of refreshing to see a show where the sets aren't lit like a loving nightclub and there are more colours than just blue (even *good* sci fi shows fall victim to this, I'm looking at you The Expanse). I also don't think they do Family Guy style humour, I can't recall any cutaway gags and overall the tone of the show feels more like the Stargate franchise before they crawled up their own asses and tried ripping off BSG too. When I said "Family guy style humor," I was mostly talking about Non-Sequitur off-color jokes, like in an episode I watched the other day where when discussing a 2-Dimensional world the helmsman made "oblique," references to how 4th Dimensional beings might be watching him masturbate in his bunk. Family Guy is as full of those kinds of jokes as it is cutaway gags. As for the second part, again, I admit I haven't seen past Episode 6, and maybe it falls off a giant cliff after the point I've seen, but other than the Drowned In Blue color scheme and BSG Gritty Lighting, I just don't agree with how you're characterizing Discovery here. Especially not the tie-ins to Spock/TOS, the episode where Michael goes into Sarek's mind and it turns out he sold out her future for the sake of his son was a really cool way to make that connection about more than just pointless fanservice IMO. There are broad strokes about Discovery that on paper seem like bad fanfic, but in their execution I've never been disappointed by them. Well, like I said, maybe after what I've seen it turns to poo poo. Unfortunately I haven't had the time to use the free trial on that lovely not-netflix and marathon it before I have to pay. But either way seeing people bury a show that I've so far really loved to try and prop up a show that keeps rubbing me the wrong way isn't helping my efforts to give Orville a fair shake. Sodomy Hussein posted:I can't remember if they've started season 2 yet but apparently they've mostly dropped the screwball comedy angle and are now just rolling with off-brand Trek. Well, that would certainly help.
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I still don't think I've ever yet encountered a single example of anyone disliking the Orville, who does so without referencing a (it seems) personal vendetta against Family Guy, and usually MacFarlane specifically.
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Sep 19, 2018 04:00
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I've fuckin got one for how often it derails the fuckin star trek threads
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Pick posted:I've fuckin got one for how often it derails the fuckin star trek threads Its the best Star Trek since DS9 so v  v
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:I still don't think I've ever yet encountered a single example of anyone disliking the Orville, who does so without referencing a (it seems) personal vendetta against Family Guy, and usually MacFarlane specifically. For the record I don't have a vendetta against Family Guy. My point was that that style of humor constantly sucks me out of what seems to be earnest attempts at serious science fiction by undermining any attempt at gravitas.
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Sep 19, 2018 04:16
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Its not wrong to have a vendetta against Family Guy
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Sanguinia posted:For the record I don't have a vendetta against Family Guy. My point was that that style of humor constantly sucks me out of what seems to be earnest attempts at serious science fiction by undermining any attempt at gravitas. 
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Man, the Enterprise-E bridge sucks so much.
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MikeJF posted:Man, the Enterprise-E bridge sucks so much. What bothers me about the E bridge is that I could never get a full sense of how it was laid out. The D bridge (and gently caress, the TOS bridge too) were so well designed that they were almost a character in themselves. Sadly, Ops in DS9 suffered the same “I don’t know where anything is” fate.
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Until I decided to bother, I didn't even know where ops was on ds9 lol. I mean you can assume maybe the center, but center top? center bottom? you don't know. it was made by lizards. i have no idea where the toilets are.
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