Warrior Princess posted:

I just bought a 2018 volt. I live in a forsaken land and had to drive 230 miles just to buy one. Got a fully loaded premier with an out-the-door cost of 34k. Tack on the incentive as a downpayment on a refinance in March and oh my god a 41k car for like 26k.

I don’t know how I lived without adaptive cruise before but I’m ruined now. As soon as I got home I had to play Electrician. The gfci outside was fried, so I replaced it last night. It took 11 hours to go from empty to full at 12amp 120v. There’s going to be a two month gap where I’m not making car payments now so I’ll use that money to install a level 2 charger.

I feel like a kid again in this thing. 0-30 in 2 seconds lmao.

wargames posted:

bringing in a qoute from AI eletric car thread


honestly tesla should be less valuable then GM and not 6~ times the value.

iospace posted:

The stock market reflects one thing and one thing only: a company's ability to pay dividends. Nothing more, nothing less. AT&T has taken out loans to be able to pay dividends, otherwise its stock would crater (despite being profitable as a company), because a company's public perception lives and dies on the stock market because...

You loving guessed it!

Vomik posted:

market cap has no relevance to anything.

hobbesmaster posted:

prior use is no big deal. one of the requirements of having a security clearance is not smoking pot while you have the clearance. executives of companies like spacex are required to have security clearances to do business with the government

the problem from the DOD's point of view is that musk probably has no idea what having a clearance means so they'll revoke it which means spacex loses its launch contracts unless musk resigns

Bhodi posted:

it doesn't matter, no one cares, and there's no air force investigation. as i said in this very thread, the little blurb that said there was was one was fake

all those rules only matter when you aren't a C-level

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

it indicates the value the ~~free market~~ attaches to them, and while that has issues i don't think there is any other number with the least bit of credibility

i mean, the irrationality is the entire point of this thread, if tesla had a 90% lower valuation i personally wouldn't find shittalking them that interesting (well, union busting is lovely at any scale)

iospace posted:

AT&T has taken out loans to be able to pay dividends

CommieGIR posted:

This is the correct DoD method.

"And we'll call it SpaceY"

iospace posted:

The stock market reflects one thing and one thing only: a company's ability to pay dividends. Nothing more, nothing less. AT&T has taken out loans to be able to pay dividends, otherwise its stock would crater (despite being profitable as a company), because a company's public perception lives and dies on the stock market because...

You loving guessed it!

President Beep posted:

lmao. that's just lovely.

FAUXTON posted:

Amazon's stock is almost $2k a share and they've never paid a dividend

iospace posted:

Amazon is also the company that treats its workers like utter poo poo, and investors are hoping that it becomes the norm so more money ultimately flows to them. See also: Uber. There's other reasons why stock does well, but that's the main reason that I mentioned.

Also, reminder that investors freaked the gently caress out when Delta decided, mid-contract, to give its pilots and flight attendants raises. One even said "Labor gets paid while the investors get scraps."

which is how it should be, fuckface.

FAUXTON posted:

Amazon treats its workers worse than poo poo because usually poo poo gets buried.

Do you think Amazon would even notice a worker dropping dead in one of their oven warehouses?

FAUXTON posted:

Amazon treats its workers worse than poo poo because usually poo poo gets buried.

Do you think Amazon would even notice a worker dropping dead in one of their oven warehouses?

iospace posted:

Amazon is also the company that treats its workers like utter poo poo, and investors are hoping that it becomes the norm so more money ultimately flows to them. See also: Uber. There's other reasons why stock does well, but that's the main reason that I mentioned.

Also, reminder that investors freaked the gently caress out when Delta decided, mid-contract, to give its pilots and flight attendants raises. One even said "Labor gets paid while the investors get scraps."

which is how it should be, fuckface.

iospace posted:

Amazon is also the company that treats its workers like utter poo poo, and investors are hoping that it becomes the norm so more money ultimately flows to them. See also: Uber. There's other reasons why stock does well, but that's the main reason that I mentioned.

Also, reminder that investors freaked the gently caress out when Delta decided, mid-contract, to give its pilots and flight attendants raises. One even said "Labor gets paid while the investors get scraps."

which is how it should be, fuckface.

Endless Mike posted:

my friend who works in the aws division of amazon swears up and down that the stories about their warehouses are untrue and even if they are, amazon pays above minimum wage so it's okay. it's incredible how much he has drank the kool-aid.

hobbesmaster posted:

wait he could call it "spacexy" he might actually do it

Not a Children posted:

I remember this at least once a week and it makes my blood boil every time

Steel workers about to go on strike, by the way. They're none too pleased that the execs are making millions in bonuses while their pay has only gone up marginally.

iospace posted:

It's effectively legalized gambling, more analogous to sports betting than slot machines and table games (though sports betting in the US at this point is also effectively legal via SCOTUS). You're placing a bet that the team (company) you support will do this well.

iospace posted:

Yup, the tariffs are creating more demand for US steel. The steelworkers are asking for a 3% raise year one, 2% years two and three, and 1% years three through six, I believe (numbers may be wrong). A strike is coming soon, and steelworkers are not people you can just pick off the street to do the job.

FAT32 SHAMER posted:

i lust for a full-on worker's revolt in just about every industry

hobbesmaster posted:

i believe the traditional military industrial complex thing to do is to find a clearable minority veteran woman to run a shell company that subcontracts everything to spacex

graph posted:

join the iww, comrade

exploded mummy posted:

the company name shall be spacexx

ADINSX posted:

I've done this

ADINSX posted:

I've done this but need to participate more

Not a Children posted:

First thing I'd ask him is how much time he's spent in one of their warehouses in the past 6 months

Second is how much Amazon is paying him to swallow their poo poo

iospace posted:

The stock market reflects one thing and one thing only: a company's ability to pay dividends. Nothing more, nothing less.

iospace posted:

It's effectively legalized gambling, more analogous to sports betting than slot machines and table games (though sports betting in the US at this point is also effectively legal via SCOTUS). You're placing a bet that the team (company) you support will do this well.

Cocoa Crispies posted:

wrong

Endless Mike posted:

none and quite a bit

he claims "the culture" won't let it happen, but it's such a big company that there's going to be "a few bad actors"

iospace posted:

Explain

FAUXTON posted:

Amazon's stock is almost $2k a share and they've never paid a dividend

Cocoa Crispies posted:

DELETE CASCADE posted:

some future idiot wants to buy in at an even dumber price than you

graph posted:

join the iww, comrade