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guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob
Yeah I was asking a while back for recommendations for MCSA books too and no one had any. Everyone appears to hate all the books available on Amazon. I guess I will pick up the cat book, thanks.

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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Vegastar posted:

Well, I did the Google IT Specialist certification thing over the last couple weeks. My basic certs had lapsed anyway out of sheer apathy and laziness, but I need to get out of helldesk and figured what would it hurt to try to bullshit my way through the HR wall with brand recognition?

Wasn't really too painful, just kind of felt like more practical versions of the CompTIA basics.

What I can't figure out is how the hell you opt in to their information sharing thing they talk about in all the literature about the thing. Anybody else done this thing and have any idea what/where I should be looking? There's nothing I can find on the coursera page, the google page, or in any of the 1800 emails I've gotten for proving basic IT competency.

Over the last couple of weeks? You must be some hell of a study artist. Coursera estimates 8-12 MONTHS for the full course. I did the first "Technical Support Fundamentals" AKA "Babby's intro to PCs" in a week or two of barely paying attention, but Course 2 , the Networking course, is requiring a bit more of my attention. At least I actually understand what CIDR/"slash" notation actually means now.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Darchangel posted:

Over the last couple of weeks? You must be some hell of a study artist. Coursera estimates 8-12 MONTHS for the full course. I did the first "Technical Support Fundamentals" AKA "Babby's intro to PCs" in a week or two of barely paying attention, but Course 2 , the Networking course, is requiring a bit more of my attention. At least I actually understand what CIDR/"slash" notation actually means now.

He probably has a big head start knowledge wise.

Oyster
Nov 11, 2005

I GOT FLAT FEET JUST LIKE MY HERO MEGAMAN
Total Clam

Darchangel posted:

Over the last couple of weeks? You must be some hell of a study artist. Coursera estimates 8-12 MONTHS for the full course. I did the first "Technical Support Fundamentals" AKA "Babby's intro to PCs" in a week or two of barely paying attention, but Course 2 , the Networking course, is requiring a bit more of my attention. At least I actually understand what CIDR/"slash" notation actually means now.

Yeah, he's beeny study buddy in the past. His A+ expired and we were studying for N+, there was a big of a head start there. I've been considering doing the Google certs as well and he said I could probably knock em out in a day, they're basically the a+ N+ sec+.

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Unironically suggest just spinning up a lab. Watching the CBTs on server version whatever and dumping the MCSA. gently caress Microsoft’s tests.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
Anyone take CCNP SWITCH recently? What study materials do you recommend?

siggy2021
Mar 8, 2010
After taking some more practice tests and reading over a bunch of stuff I've decided gently caress the CCNA Security. I heard rumors at Cisco Live this year that they were looking at redesigning it so I'll wait for that and hope it's not poo poo. At least I can say I have some firewall experience now. Time to just move on to the CCNP R&S I guess.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017
Done the vcp-dcv 6.5 delta exam. Doable but stay on your toes for questions about migration procedures, varied maximums and the big bullet points on the what's new list.

EDIT: Did any of you guys took any pearson vue exams recently? Did they made you not just remove personal items, but clear pockets and check if you got anything hidden in your trousers legs? I had less body checks while going in state buildings.

SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 13:32 on Sep 6, 2018

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

SlowBloke posted:

Done the vcp-dcv 6.5 delta exam. Doable but stay on your toes for questions about migration procedures, varied maximums and the big bullet points on the what's new list.

EDIT: Did any of you guys took any pearson vue exams recently? Did they made you not just remove personal items, but clear pockets and check if you got anything hidden in your trousers legs? I had less body checks while going in state buildings.

It's been like that for a while. My last exam was maybe 3 years ago and they wanded me with a metal detector. They didn't make me shake my pant legs out though.

sniper4625
Sep 26, 2009

Loyal to the hEnd

skipdogg posted:

It's been like that for a while. My last exam was maybe 3 years ago and they wanded me with a metal detector. They didn't make me shake my pant legs out though.

I had to turn out my pockets, but that's about it. Guessing things vary between testing sites.

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

Yeah I had to empty my pockets, but they didn't pat me down or wand me.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

I’ve taken 6 Pearson exams the past year at two different facilities and they always just took my word when I told them my pockets were empty. They never even got out from behind their desks lol

MF_James
May 8, 2008
I CANNOT HANDLE BEING CALLED OUT ON MY DUMBASS OPINIONS ABOUT ANTI-VIRUS AND SECURITY. I REALLY LIKE TO THINK THAT I KNOW THINGS HERE

INSTEAD I AM GOING TO WHINE ABOUT IT IN OTHER THREADS SO MY OPINION CAN FEEL VALIDATED IN AN ECHO CHAMBER I LIKE

There are also cameras all over the room I was in, it would be hard to sneak some poo poo in there to pull out and use.

Diva Cupcake
Aug 15, 2005

Most of the Pearson test centers I've been to just do the empty pockets/no drinks thing before shoving me into a darkened cubby hole with a dirty desktop from 1998.

The CISSP was proctored in a prison-like fingerprint ID area where you needed to flag the proctor to lock your exam before you were allowed to get up and hit the restroom. Fingerprints on both exit and entry. There were a bunch of college kids testing the MCAT at the same time so maybe the security was for that.

Vegastar
Jan 2, 2005

Tigers will do anything for a tuna sandwich.


So, I guess just in case anybody wanted to know the outcome to my google cert confusion: turns out there's a post-course survey that gets emailed to you with all the opt-in poo poo. If you accidentally or intentionally click the little switch at the bottom of the course that says "do not send me promotional offers from third parties" or whatever, you won't get the survey.

I emailed their support people and got it worked out. Problem solved.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

MF_James posted:

Yeah I had to empty my pockets, but they didn't pat me down or wand me.

I had a rectal exam. Oh wait, that was for how much these corps charge.

I got metal detector, empty/turn out pockets, roll cuffs up and probably something else I forgot.

Sprechensiesexy
Dec 26, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Passed my Riverbed Certified Solutions Associate – WAN Optimization today with a whopping 61/60 score. Feels good.

incoherent
Apr 24, 2004

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FYI: You have less than 2 weeks to take Microsoft up on its tipple attempt cert package

https://us.mindhub.com/microsoft-exam-replay-mcp-exam-plus-retake/p/Microsoft-Exam-Replay-Plus

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy
How doable is CISSP without much/any practical IT experience? Already passed Security+, will have the experience required for the cert within the requisite 5 years.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Skar posted:

How doable is CISSP without much/any practical IT experience? Already passed Security+, will have the experience required for the cert within the requisite 5 years.

Just how little “any” are we talking about here? I can’t imagine most places that want a CISSP (or whatever the pre-experience “passed the test” temporary certification is called) are going to hire someone without at least the appearance of some experience.

Places that advertise for a CISSP around here (Milwaukee) seem to be putting up mid-to-senior positions which involve at least some familiarity with an aspect of IT Operations and ideally policy-setting or management experience. Having one might get you past HR but I really doubt you would get a lot further without more on your resume?

That being said: my career is complete poo poo and no one should ever take anything I say about IT or the IT industry seriously? That goes double for hiring practices in same.

You might be able to go into auditing I guess?

Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Sep 16, 2018

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

Schadenboner posted:

Just how little “any” are we talking about here? I can’t imagine most places that want a CISSP (or whatever the pre-experience “passed the test” temporary certification is called) are going to hire someone without at least the appearance of some experience.

Places that advertise for a CISSP around here (Milwaukee) seem to be putting up mid-to-senior positions which involve at least some familiarity with an aspect of IT Operations and ideally policy-setting or management experience. Having one might get you past HR but I really doubt you would get a lot further without more on your resume?

That being said: my career is complete poo poo and no one should ever take anything I say about IT or the IT industry seriously? That goes double for hiring practices in same.

You might be able to go into auditing I guess?

Its for government work ideally. I heard that they care more about CISSP than say, CISA

Lugnut Seatcushion fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Sep 16, 2018

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Skar posted:

Its for government work ideally. I heard that they care more about CISSP than say, CISA

That changes the equation, I know the DoD is big on that. There are a lot of milgoons around here, maybe they can advise.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


A big thing with the CISSP is that you need experience to be eligible. If you have that but are, say, missing knowledge in one or two of the domains, you'll be fine to study. The test is a mile wide and an inch deep - nobody has enough experience to just walk in and take it.

Edit: I just saw the last part of your post. You don't actually get the CISSP cert until you get the experience. They give you 5 years after you take the test to get it without taking the test again, but you still don't get to say you're a CISSP until you qualify. Also, it's a crazy amount to try to keep in your head if you don't have experience in at least a few domains.

KillHour fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Sep 16, 2018

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

KillHour posted:

A big thing with the CISSP is that you need experience to be eligible. If you have that but are, say, missing knowledge in one or two of the domains, you'll be fine to study. The test is a mile wide and an inch deep - nobody has enough experience to just walk in and take it.

Edit: I just saw the last part of your post. You don't actually get the CISSP cert until you get the experience. They give you 5 years after you take the test to get it without taking the test again, but you still don't get to say you're a CISSP until you qualify. Also, it's a crazy amount to try to keep in your head if you don't have experience in at least a few domains.

Gotcha. Like i said, im aware that you're just in associate status until you get the experience, that's not an issue. I was wondering whether passing the test with studying only was doable. Thanks.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Skar posted:

Its for government work ideally. I heard that they care more about CISSP than say, CISA

CISSP is required to hold certain positions as a government contractor, however these aren’t necessarily the most lucrative or technical positions, merely the ones they feel contain the most access to sensitive data (and these distinctions are often nonsense). I wouldn’t worry about it though because you aren’t getting any of those positions without experience that you currently don’t have.

Pass something useful and practical instead if you’re dying to take a test.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

YOLOsubmarine posted:

CISSP is required to hold certain positions as a government contractor, however these aren’t necessarily the most lucrative or technical positions, merely the ones they feel contain the most access to sensitive data (and these distinctions are often nonsense). I wouldn’t worry about it though because you aren’t getting any of those positions without experience that you currently don’t have.

Pass something useful and practical instead if you’re dying to take a test.

Im already in the organization, not looking for a job. The question literally: is the test portion if CISSP passable through intensive study alone.

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Skar posted:

Im already in the organization, not looking for a job. The question literally: is the test portion if CISSP passable through intensive study alone.

Sure, go nuts. It’s expensive and pointless, but you do you.

Lugnut Seatcushion
May 4, 2013
Lipstick Apathy

YOLOsubmarine posted:

Sure, go nuts. It’s expensive and pointless, but you do you.

I mean, im not paying for it, work is. Don't see how it could hurt?

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


It's a purely multiple choice test. I'm not sure why you think it wouldn't be passable with enough studying.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


The official study book is like a thousand pages. It's possible, but it's a lot of info. I wouldn't bother unless that knowledge will be actually useful for the kind of career you want.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine
Does CISSP do the thing that the PMP does for people who pass the test but don't have the hours where they have a sub-designation? Like ABD for a PhD or something?

zharmad
Feb 9, 2010

Well I just went and managed to pass my MSCA Windows Server 2016. At this point I wish I could have talked my company into paying for the MCSE but that was like 2k more for the boot camp.

Whatever, MCSA has been a goal of mine since 2002 but this is the first company I've worked for that's been willing to pay for training +cert tests.

Vintimus Prime
Apr 24, 2008

DERRRRRPPP what are picture threads for????

zharmad posted:

Well I just went and managed to pass my MSCA Windows Server 2016. At this point I wish I could have talked my company into paying for the MCSE but that was like 2k more for the boot camp.

Whatever, MCSA has been a goal of mine since 2002 but this is the first company I've worked for that's been willing to pay for training +cert tests.

Great job!!

skipdogg
Nov 29, 2004
Resident SRT-4 Expert

Schadenboner posted:

Does CISSP do the thing that the PMP does for people who pass the test but don't have the hours where they have a sub-designation? Like ABD for a PhD or something?

Yeah. Associate of ISC or something like that

zharmad posted:

Well I just went and managed to pass my MSCA Windows Server 2016. At this point I wish I could have talked my company into paying for the MCSE but that was like 2k more for the boot camp.

Whatever, MCSA has been a goal of mine since 2002 but this is the first company I've worked for that's been willing to pay for training +cert tests.

Congrats!

The Illusive Man
Mar 27, 2008

~savior of yoomanity~

zharmad posted:

Well I just went and managed to pass my MSCA Windows Server 2016. At this point I wish I could have talked my company into paying for the MCSE but that was like 2k more for the boot camp.

Whatever, MCSA has been a goal of mine since 2002 but this is the first company I've worked for that's been willing to pay for training +cert tests.

Congrats! Just curious, how long did you study for it?

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

zharmad posted:

Well I just went and managed to pass my MSCA Windows Server 2016. At this point I wish I could have talked my company into paying for the MCSE but that was like 2k more for the boot camp.

Whatever, MCSA has been a goal of mine since 2002 but this is the first company I've worked for that's been willing to pay for training +cert tests.

Congratulations! What did you use to study for it? I'm interested in working towards it but no one seems to like any of the books for it.

zharmad
Feb 9, 2010

guppy posted:

Congratulations! What did you use to study for it? I'm interested in working towards it but no one seems to like any of the books for it.

I used the Sybex book, the 3 Microsoft press books and watches videos on pluralsight. Only had about 2 weeks to study before I went to the boot camp, which was concerning since I've been a Linux admin for the past few years and haven't touched windows server since 2007, but I was really surprised how little the base concepts have changed.

Basically if you have AD experience you can do 70-742, if you've done network+ you can do 70-741 and if you study then 70-740 isn't too bad, just make sure you know virtualization, containers and failover clustering.

guppy
Sep 21, 2004

sting like a byob

zharmad posted:

I used the Sybex book, the 3 Microsoft press books and watches videos on pluralsight. Only had about 2 weeks to study before I went to the boot camp, which was concerning since I've been a Linux admin for the past few years and haven't touched windows server since 2007, but I was really surprised how little the base concepts have changed.

Basically if you have AD experience you can do 70-742, if you've done network+ you can do 70-741 and if you study then 70-740 isn't too bad, just make sure you know virtualization, containers and failover clustering.

Thanks, my AD experience is limited but growing and I bought the O'Reilly cat book. I have a Network+ and a CCNA and work in networking daily so hopefully -741 shouldn't be too bad.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


My employer wants me to take a TOGAF class. I’m really more of a tech guy than an architect but no matter what role I take I usually end up designing/governing infrastructures so I figured I might as well start getting paid for architect-like roles.

So my question is, has anyone taken the exam recently and if so, what resources did you use? On a level of 0 to Microsoft, how much do the exams suck?

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Yeast Confection
Oct 7, 2005
WGU is no longer accepting non-American students, according to my admissions advisor yesterday.

Which sucks because OSAP just approved my funding today :smith:

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