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Ciaphas posted:I got a thing to go to tonight, I'm just gonna quote the intro part of the email: sounds like worst case scenario they have free drinks and snacks
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Rex-Goliath posted:sounds like worst case scenario they have free drinks and snacks kinda my reckon as well but it's a fantastically lovely drive probably a moot point, might not get done with work in time to go see anyone anyway, but we'll see
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Symbolic Butt posted:I think I got a job congrats. getting new jobs is both cool and good.
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Diva Cupcake posted:congrats. getting new jobs is both cool and good. thanks qsvui posted:is it really it is, compared to being unemployed for almost a year!
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i went to an on-site and wasn't asked to do any whiteboard coding  they just asked me questions about my experience and asked me to explain a few technologies i'm familiar with
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meatpotato posted:i went to an on-site and wasn't asked to do any whiteboard coding it's probably a bad company, or hiring interns
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my friend got fired today and i feel bad for her i think it will end up a blessing in disguise because she was unhappy at the place but a big part of the reason she hadn't quit was that she didn't want to feel like she failed and welp
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company does whiteboarding with generic programming problems: "bad company, you shouldn't do toy problems" company does whiteboarding with domain-specific problems: "bad company, you're doing work for free" company doesn't do whiteboarding: "bad company, poor hiring practices" summary: all companies bad the world is a gently caress
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Sep 20, 2018 01:38
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鬼神 hire ‘em all 1099
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meatpotato posted:i went to an on-site and wasn't asked to do any whiteboard coding fwiw this was my first job and it ended up being alright
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my first job was like that too, it was good for the first two years but the last two years were a shitshow come to think of it, the next job i got didn’t ask me to code either tbh i was pleasantly surprised not to code but it may hint the other employees they hire could be subpar like me
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meatpotato posted:鬼神 hire ‘em all 1099 2,147,483,647 dev ops
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I pretty much despise pair programming.
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qhat posted:I pretty much despise pair programming. same *reads documentation together*
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meatpotato posted:鬼神 hire ‘em all 1099
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Of the three people who reached out last time, one didn't send a resume, one ghosted my HR team after they were invited to in-person interviews, and one is negotiating a salary with HR today. So if anyone else is interested in DataRobot I guess shoot me a PM as we're still hiring like mad?
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qhat posted:I pretty much despise pair programming. if you think it's that bad, imagine how the person who has to work with you feels.
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TimWinter posted:Of the three people who reached out last time, one didn't send a resume, one ghosted my HR team after they were invited to in-person interviews, and one is negotiating a salary with HR today. So if anyone else is interested in DataRobot I guess shoot me a PM as we're still hiring like mad? where are you, what are your key technologies, and how are the figgies
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the idea of pair programming being A Thing spooks the poo poo out of me as i go to interviews because oh my loving stars and daughters i'm an anxious socially dead boy
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Ploft-shell crab posted:fwiw this was my first job and it ended up being alright this was my first job and the company went under three months after i left unrelated, they were scamming on govt contracts while madly backfilling turnover with fresh grads and h-1bs
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pair programming is a good thing to do for like 2 hours once a month
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DELETE CASCADE posted:pair programming is a good thing to do for like 2 hours once a month i mean yeah i don't mind at all sitting with a coworker for an hour or two to hash out something, but not as a regular thing i'd simply run out of gas, it takes constant sustained effort for me to be sociable and i wish i was exaggerating
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I’m at my worst programming-wise when people are watching me do it. Pairing is so valuable for juniors or people new to the team though
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Bloody posted:where are you, what are your key technologies, and how are the figgies Located in Boston with a remote dev heavy culture. It's an automated data science shop so it's all python backend and angular or react frontends, with heaps of sci libs powering the real business logic. Figs are good, but could always be better. I hear we pay more now that we have 400 people in the company and can't pretend we're a startup anymore.
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lotta terrible programmer takes on pair programming ittCiaphas posted:i'd simply run out of gas, it takes constant sustained effort for me to be sociable and i wish i was exaggerating this is called being introverted and almost every programmer is. it's not an interview, it's not a date, there's no pressure to be funny and charming in this situation. you should be comfortable talking to your peers about code, and if not, you should practice until you are Ploft-shell crab posted:pairing is so valuable for juniors or people new to the team though or when you want to know what your team is working on so you can help out (if they go on vacation, if you have spare cycles, etc). or when you want architectural review early in the process where the cost of changes is low. learning is not unique to junior programmers either, i routinely paired with other seniors with different strengths than mine to learn about systems programming, kubernetes, AWS, and a ton of other stuff.
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new gig is a loving lonely existence. line manager is in London. direct report is in Munich and the systems engineers are in Delhi. throw on top of that an open floor sit anywhere you want policy and there’s basically no reason to be in the office. I could have stayed in New York.
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Everyone learns things differently, some simply just do not learn by watching other people type code or having someone else breathing down their neck. It's got nothing to do with introversion. Some non-"introverted" pairs also end up spending more time blabbering on and/or arguing rather than actually doing the work, and not because they are incompetent engineers. If pair programming works for your team then great, but don't force it on people and tell them to get used to it or whatever, because it just doesn't work well for some people/projects.
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qhat posted:Everyone learns things differently, some simply just do not learn by watching other people type code or having someone else breathing down their neck. It's got nothing to do with introversion. Some non-"introverted" pairs also end up spending more time blabbering on and/or arguing rather than actually doing the work, and not because they are incompetent engineers. If pair programming works for your team then great, but don't force it on people and tell them to get used to it or whatever, because it just doesn't work well for some people/projects. In my experience its only been useful for debugging or in person code reviews, its helpful to explain whats happening and have someone ask questions, etc.
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 jeeeeezus the no-whiteboard-coding place gave me an unofficial salary offer about 35% more than I made at my last jobalso i would be called señor software engineer this poo poo rules, it's my first job offer in five years and i still have about five more companies im in the process of interviewing at and will hopefully have the dilemma of choosing an offer from ahh, to feel wanted
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qhat posted:Everyone learns things differently, some simply just do not learn by watching other people type code or having someone else breathing down their neck. It's got nothing to do with introversion. Some non-"introverted" pairs also end up spending more time blabbering on and/or arguing rather than actually doing the work, and not because they are incompetent engineers. If pair programming works for your team then great, but don't force it on people and tell them to get used to it or whatever, because it just doesn't work well for some people/projects. i said exactly 0 of these things, but - the learning that comes from pair programming (which is only one of its benefits) doesn't come from watching the other person code, it comes from having a conversation with the other person about the code. there are no textbooks or coursera classes for your codebase - "breathing down your neck" is a really antagonistic way to frame collaborating with your teammates - are you complaining that some coworkers SOCIALIZE on the job? the absolute horror. also arguing is more often debating which is doing the work. - i'm not in a position to force anything on anyone. someone here was considering applying to a company that had an already established pairing policy, and was up front about it also two misc thoughts - i've paired on 3 different teams, albeit all in the backend webshit sphere, but on considerably different tasks (writing APIs, setting up deployment pipelines, migrating services into AWS) and it was almost always useful - when a company says they pair on 100% of things, they don't mean actually 100%. some things are trivial to do in a couple minutes, other times people aren't just available for pairing
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meatpotato posted:
goongrats but also don't bank on anything until you actually have it in formal writing
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meatpotato posted:ahh, to feel wanted congrats 
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Pie Colony posted:i said exactly 0 of these things, but Counterpoint: a friend of mine quit a job because of their bad pair programming policy. Nothing could get merged to develop branch that was not paired.
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CPColin posted:2,147,483,647 dev ops
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PokeJoe posted:Counterpoint: a friend of mine quit a job because of their bad pair programming policy. Nothing could get merged to develop branch that was not paired. yea like a lot of processes (agile, issue tracking) it's possible to do poorly, but i think implemented well it's a net positive. i know that's a tautology, etc etc, but at the end of the day i'll fight for it
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job search status: no more phone janitor, code janitor starting oct 1. this thread has had lots of good thoughts and i am very grateful for it
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