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OmanyteJackson posted:It wasn't always like this is my point. To put things in perspective, my dad's generation was the first one to have a television growing up, before that it's mostly books written by veterans of world war 1. Adults in their 40's are the first generation to be mass marketed to following the removal of advertising restrictions to children's television. Before our modern era of children's entertainment stories for children use to be very different. Just look at the original stories disney movies where based on, those stories served a role in the cultures that told them. What role do disney movies serve? What does it mean that they produce so much of the popular entertainment media today? Ehh I wouldn't call the Patriotic Imperialism nonsense of Biggles or the racism of the popular childrens bedtime story series of Little Black Sambo to be an improvement over warmed over "don't judge a book by its cover" Disney Direct to video sequels  I mean for centuries most childrens stories for girls were just propaganda to trick them into becoming obedient and dutiful wives. At least now we have Frozen. And Star Wars 
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Terrible Opinions posted:China as a place "over there in the east" has been a known part of Middle Eastern culture since at least the Persian empire, and given its use in Aladdin is just "a far away place" I don't see any reason she couldn't have known about it within the narrative. However it doesn't have any of the cliffhangers, abuse of power by authorities and/or magical beings, or any of the other elements that character the other stories. Yeah I was wondering of how much the place was known at the time to several strata of persian society. I stand corrected then!
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I mean, part of what made Persia so mighty was that it was a major hub on the trans-Asian trade routes. They’d know about China - it’s the place that made them rich.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Harry Potter is about a fascist cult obsessed with racial purity taking over, due partly to institutional failure. You know what would be a better analogy to make, though? To literally any number of actual existing past and present fascist movements in other countries. Since these are things that actually happened in the past, rather than being the fictional output of this one person from the UK, there are actual lessons to be extracted.
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Also those historical comparisons have the benefit of not drawing from a book where the entire banking class is comprised of greedy, hook nosed goblins, which if you're trying to be anti-Nazi, helps
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gently caress JK Rowling, middle class gobshite. Edit: Dragonball Z was a better treatise against fascism than Harry loving Potter, fight me Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Sep 20, 2018 13:11
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diane duane has the better young adult wizard series
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Gonzo McFee posted:
"Ok, Donald, we saw where losing your cool got you, so tone down the Benito, and crush this..."
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Gonzo McFee posted:Edit: Dragonball Z was a better treatise against fascism than Harry loving Potter, fight me goku is a centrist smoothbrain, he always gives his enemies senzu beans to make things "fair"
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AriadneThread posted:diane duane has the better young adult wizard series Janusz Korczak's Kaytek the Wizard was a way better coming of age through wizardry story, but alas, it only came out in English in 2012.
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fatherboxx posted:goku is a centrist smoothbrain, he always gives his enemies senzu beans to make things "fair" Where on the scale do Future Trunks and Hercule "Hail" Satan fall?
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fatherboxx posted:goku is a centrist smoothbrain, he always gives his enemies senzu beans to make things "fair" President Goku would save this country. 
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He'd legalize weed at least.
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fatherboxx posted:goku is a centrist smoothbrain, he always gives his enemies senzu beans to make things "fair" Yes. But he understood that when you meet Space Hitler you punch Space Hitler. Each of the Dragonball sagas depict classical enemies of the Proletariat. Greedy Landlords and aristocracy with the Saiyans, Fascism with Freeza, automation with the Androids, Eugenics with Cell and mysticism with Buu. Goku is liberalism, all too willing to court the enemies of the proletariat for personal gain and with deep ties to the capitalist class. Ultimately a running theme throughout Dragon Ball is that although he has brought progress if the world wishes to be safe, Goku, aka liberalism, has to go. Whomst among us has not looked at Trump, with his puffy pink skin, rotund figure, obsession with treats and seeming imperviousness to damage and not thought of Majin Buu? Or it could just be a kids cartoon where people shout a lot and do push ups. Still better than "Oh this wizard has no nose and kills people and wears black".
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Goku/Mr. Popo 2020
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I think that people using Disney or Harry Potter as their go to for metaphors is less the fault of Disney or Harry Potter and more the fault of people not leaving their comfort zone of wish fulfillment fiction. It's not like other types of fiction DON'T exist; it's not even that other types of fiction aren't popular (albeit, they're not explosively popular). You're just always going to find certain groups of people who, for whatever reason, would rather stick around in the shallow end for now.Libluini posted:If I read this right, this guest was a victim of rape and should be contacted by the authorities so the pedophiles who did this to him can be captured. I'm sure Argon of Sakkad did the right thing and immediately went to the police, right? Aw, poo poo, I misread the tweet originally and thought Carlgon was the one who'd been abused as a child. Jesus. What a gently caress.
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business hammocks posted:President Goku would save this country.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Goku measures the amount he cares about something in hot gay fucks. I think that's the progress we need in America. Please don’t make me find the relevant fan art for that version of President Goku.
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Gonzo McFee posted:gently caress JK Rowling, middle class gobshite. I don't know. What's your power level?
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business hammocks posted:Please don’t make me find the relevant fan art for that version of President Goku.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I mean my vote is still for President Camacho from Idiocracy, because that film was accidentally inspirational despite being eugenicist propaganda. yeah Mike Judge is one of those guys where I'm pretty sure I know his politics but I kinda don't want to like know his politics idiocracy is a horror show and the degree to which older right wingers like my parents roll their eyes at something and go, "idiocracy am i rite" stuns me
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But in that movie, the stupid people news is fox news
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Which meant the movie had a slightly broader appeal on getting folk on the eugenics train.
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Idiocracy is weird because it combines the semieugenicist fantasy of "dumb people" being the problem with society and the (affluent white) liberal fantasy of "smart people" being educated white liberals (probably the kind who'd say they're "socially liberal" and clam up when economics enter the picture) and "dumb people" being people who like popular mass media, so its dystopian society where the people who like the dang Kardashians and monster trucks are the whole of society takes on a racist/classist bent. Add to this its attempts to critique capitalism, where the Carl's Jr. kiosk has the power to take away your kids but the capitalist class as a social force is basically not present, and you've got an incoherent mess of a movie where the main takeaway is that drat, we live in a society. It's the "I like everything but country and rap" of dystopian fiction I Before E fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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Mike Judge is someone who was completely harmless and amusing 20 years ago and hasn't changed a bit and probably knows nothing about changes to the culture between then and now. It's not really his fault that the world changed in a way that weaponized stuff that was basically harmless or unremarkable when he was younger, though if he's not paying attention now that is on him. I kind of see him as in the same boat as Ernest Cline, insofar as he's from the tail end of a generation too old to ever have had to respond to or have his assumptions challenged by all the internet nazi culture war stuff. There was a time when you could just kind of be oblivious and drift, and maybe if you were challenged you'd go chud, but you weren't so you didn't.
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I Before E posted:Idiocracy is weird because it combines the semieugenicist fantasy of "dumb people" being the problem with society and the (affluent white) liberal fantasy of "smart people" being educated white liberals (probably the kind who'd say they're "socially liberal" and clam up when economics enter the picture) and "dumb people" being people who like popular mass media, so its dystopian society where the people who like the dang Kardashians and monster trucks are the whole of society takes on a racist/classist bent. Add to this its attempts to critique capitalism, where the Carl's Jr. kiosk has the power to take away your kids but the capitalist class as a social force is basically not present, and you've got an incoherent mess of a movie where the main takeaway is that drat, we live in a society.
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business hammocks posted:Mike Judge is someone who was completely harmless and amusing 20 years ago and hasn't changed a bit and probably knows nothing about changes to the culture between then and now. It's not really his fault that the world changed in a way that weaponized stuff that was basically harmless or unremarkable when he was younger, though if he's not paying attention now that is on him. yeah, like, i hate ernest cline, but i don't think he is evil or some secret reactionary, which i have seen a few people act like he is. he is just a moron manchild with super arrested development and he uses reference/nerd culture as a replacement for a having personality traits. like yeah, his book is problematic and awful in a ton of ways, but he isn't an alt right nutjob.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Pretty drat utopian ain't it? What I mean is they don't figure into the ideology of the movie at all, this dichotomy between smart upper middle class mostly white people and dumb poor mostly white people, presented as gentrifiers with seven cats contrasted with a high school quarterback loving bareback in a Chevy, completely ignores anyone who makes above 300k or so a year, so you've got this Dilbert world where the only boss you ever see is your own manager, and these Costcos, Carl's Juniors, and Buttfuckers are just entities that exist because they exist because they exist. I Before E fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Sep 20, 2018 |
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It was a joke. The actual utopian part is government officials sincerely wanting to make the world a better place even if they're too stupid to do so on their own.
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Terrible Opinions posted:It was a joke. The actual utopian part is government officials sincerely wanting to make the world a better place even if they're too stupid to do so on their own. Ah, I thought you were pointing out some unclear phrasing
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business hammocks posted:Mike Judge is someone who was completely harmless and amusing 20 years ago and hasn't changed a bit and probably knows nothing about changes to the culture between then and now. It's not really his fault that the world changed in a way that weaponized stuff that was basically harmless or unremarkable when he was younger, though if he's not paying attention now that is on him. oh no doubt it's honestly incredible though that all this time later, office space still resonates incredibly hard like this scene only needs a slightly relaxed dress code and maybe a bullshit open concept to be a modern mid-tier white collar office today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEGdCDQrgX4 its biggest flaw is that it can't conceive of a reality without capitalism, kinda like I Before E is talking about with idiocracy
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I like the part where Jeremy Parish just slowly realized he'd be covering EVERY SINGLE NINTENDO GAME until he was like 70 years old as hinted on a few of his Nintendo Gaiden videos and is just now shoving mutliple crummy ones in one video and devoting single game videos to more notable releases. Still, it got us stuff like him trying to stretch a Chessmaster video, this Fish Dude video and this PaperBoy 2 video. Ever had a bootleg mutligame GB cart? Time for a trip on memory lane on a good part of these vids.
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Brutal Moose has a new Brutal Foods video, covering a Japanese candy hamburger kit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLbogEK-gOQ
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Doug Walker in the wild. Also crazy film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ-QjEKjGjg
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bessantj posted:Doug Walker in the wild. Also crazy film. Brad reminding me why I stopped watching his stuff in 0.2 seconds. Nice 
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nine-gear crow posted:Brad reminding me why I stopped watching his stuff in 0.2 seconds. Nice 
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OmanyteJackson posted:Harry Potter/Doctor Who/Sherlock fans are just weebs but for England. Teaboos.
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Mr.Radar posted:Brutal Moose has a new Brutal Foods video, covering a Japanese candy hamburger kit: Also I just finished watching this, seeing the completed kit is just adorable. The most adorable burger.
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