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Errant Gin Monks posted:You can't get mad at a guy with no professional cooking experience that makes what he does. ... yes 👏 you 👏 can 👏
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Errant Gin Monks posted:You can't get mad at a guy with no professional cooking experience that makes what he does. I think he is pretty solid for an entertainment channel about bad TV food.
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Sep 23, 2018 06:37
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I've actually been binging babish lately... He's ok and entertaining but every once in a while I give a big NOOOOOOOPE. he doesn't claim to have any authority, I think the really good production values he has make people assume he does. His previous career was as a technical editor for video media, so it makes sense that he would be good at making his show, even if he is only middling good at cooking. It's a lot more watchable than an amazing cook who doesn't know how to shoot or edit.
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Sep 23, 2018 19:53
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I guess I’m confused on how you rank someone’s cooking ability. Aside from the people like Jiro and This who devote their whole lives to a single pursuit, all cooking is following common knowledge and technique layed out by years of established practices.
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Sep 24, 2018 00:18
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al-azad posted:I guess I’m confused on how you rank someone’s cooking ability. Aside from the people like Jiro and This who devote their whole lives to a single pursuit, all cooking is following common knowledge and technique layed out by years of established practices. If it were that easy more people would be better cooks and maybe we'd have someone decent to hire instead of the idiots and meth heads who infest the industry, cooking for customers who are amazed by anything better than what the instructions on the box/can gets them.
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Sep 24, 2018 00:35
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al-azad posted:I guess I’m confused on how you rank someone’s cooking ability. Aside from the people like Jiro and This who devote their whole lives to a single pursuit, all cooking is following common knowledge and technique layed out by years of established practices. please don't ever invite me over for dinner good cooking definitely has 0 to do with knowledge. you can nail a technique and put out lovely food all day long
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Sep 24, 2018 00:40
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I'd just like to say that all three of you are wrong and not explain why
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Sep 24, 2018 00:49
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Sep 24, 2018 00:53
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al-azad posted:I guess I’m confused on how you rank someone’s cooking ability. Aside from the people like Jiro and This who devote their whole lives to a single pursuit, all cooking is following common knowledge and technique layed out by years of established practices. What even is skill? Like, I can just read a book, so why do these dummies spend their lives practicing things?
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Sep 24, 2018 01:01
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:If it were that easy more people would be better cooks and maybe we'd have someone decent to hire instead of the idiots and meth heads who infest the industry, cooking for customers who are amazed by anything better than what the instructions on the box/can gets them. I think the fact that your restaurant and the industry in general is chiefly staffed by idiots and meth heads says more about the depressingly poor wages and hiring practices than anything else
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Sep 24, 2018 01:16
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:What even is skill? Like, I can just read a book, so why do these dummies spend their lives practicing things? Cooking isn’t just a skill, it’s a science, and science is repeatable. Experience gives you the wisdom to invent new methods and fix mistakes and expand on grandma’s recipe, but what I’m questioning is how you determine someone is “mediocre” when they establish knowledge of their craft. Is a counterfeit artist mediocre when they can fool people into thinking a painting is real? al-azad fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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Sep 24, 2018 01:34
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mindphlux posted:please don't ever invite me over for dinner You're being quite grouchy. Everything OK?
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Sep 24, 2018 01:51
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BrianBoitano posted:You're being quite grouchy. Everything OK? It's mindphlux. Are you new here?
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Sep 24, 2018 01:58
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al-azad posted:Cooking isn’t just a skill, it’s a science, and science is repeatable. Experience gives you the wisdom to invent new methods and fix mistakes and expand on grandma’s recipe, but what I’m questioning is how you determine someone is “mediocre” when they establish knowledge of their craft. the post you're protesting against said that he doesn't demonstrate that much knowledge of his craft so the crux of your argument is irrelevant Is a counterfeit artist mediocre when they can only fool art novices into thinking a painting is real?
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Sep 24, 2018 02:03
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:the post you're protesting against said that he doesn't demonstrate that much knowledge of his craft so the crux of your argument is irrelevant Nobody has actually said anything about his skill other than it’s middling/mediocre which describes nothing.
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Sep 24, 2018 02:18
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al-azad posted:Cooking isn’t just a skill, it’s a science, and science is repeatable. Experience gives you the wisdom to invent new methods and fix mistakes and expand on grandma’s recipe, but what I’m questioning is how you determine someone is “mediocre” when they establish knowledge of their craft. Treating cooking as a purely scientific endeavor yields Soylent.
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Sep 24, 2018 03:17
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Hauki posted:I think the fact that your restaurant and the industry in general is chiefly staffed by idiots and meth heads says more about the depressingly poor wages and hiring practices than anything else To be honest, I can't argue with that, as far as our staffing is concerned. The idiocy of our customer base (the very rural midwest!) is another story.
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Sep 24, 2018 03:45
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pile of brown posted:Treating cooking as a purely scientific endeavor yields Soylent. Which is closer to solving world hunger than a well seared steak. But I'm not arguing cooking is purely scientific, what I'm talking about is what criteria you're using to judge a person preparing recipes on camera unless you've prepared them yourself and deem it all wrong.
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Sep 24, 2018 04:38
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Lol way to move the goalpost from "good at cooking" to "solve world hunger right now"
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Sep 24, 2018 06:12
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al-azad posted:I'm not arguing cooking is purely scientific shut the gently caress up, you're just talking garbage nonsense for the sake of posting and don't even care about your own argument clearly al-azad posted:Cooking isn’t just a skill, it’s a science, and science is repeatable. al-azad posted:all cooking is following common knowledge and technique layed out by years of established practices. ..... al-azad posted:what I’m questioning is how you determine someone is “mediocre” you determine someone is mediocre that's it that's how you determine someone is mediocre mindphlux fucked around with this message at 06:25 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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Sep 24, 2018 06:22
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its like if you were cooking an egg "over easy" and read a science manual of cooking and it says "cook the egg for a minute on one side and then flip it and cook for 20 seconds on the other side and you have an over easy" egg!!!! but you do it and break the yolk in flipping it and mangle the thing and forget to add the salt and plate it and its just garbage half scrambled eggs and you look really smug and give it to your motherinlaw and are like 'heres you're ........ over easy egg.... m'lady..... *tips fedora*' and shes literally screaming and shaking and throws the plate in your face and leaves your house and you're like.... 'hurrmmph wonder what her problem was, ohwell, nevermind' and start watching tv, and your wife sits you down on the couch halfway through the 'great british baking show' and pauses it (she never pauses it) to really break it down to you and is like .... "al-azahar... i really need to talk to you about something important......... and i need you to listen to me just once in all seriousness..... i think you have a problem........" and you're like no! I dont. im a man of science and reason and everything i do is perfectly measured and precise and not left to chance. and shes like 'baby listen'... and you cut her off and puit your hand over your chest and just scream U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!U.S.A!U.S.A!U.S.A! over and over until she divorces you and marries motherfucking permabanned forums user 'mommie dearest' and you still cant even admit to yourself that you maybe just didnt know how to cook an egg properly and thus were 'mediocre' at it ; the 'it' being egg-cookery
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Sep 24, 2018 06:35
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mindphlux posted:its like if you were cooking an egg "over easy" and read a science manual of cooking and it says "cook the egg for a minute on one side and then flip it and cook for 20 seconds on the other side and you have an over easy" egg!!!! but you do it and break the yolk in flipping it and mangle the thing and forget to add the salt and plate it and its just garbage half scrambled eggs and you look really smug and give it to your motherinlaw and are like 'heres you're ........ over easy egg.... m'lady..... *tips fedora*' and shes literally screaming and shaking and throws the plate in your face and leaves your house and you're like.... 'hurrmmph wonder what her problem was, ohwell, nevermind' and start watching tv, and your wife sits you down on the couch halfway through the 'great british baking show' and pauses it (she never pauses it) to really break it down to you and is like .... "al-azahar... i really need to talk to you about something important......... and i need you to listen to me just once in all seriousness..... i think you have a problem........" and you're like no! I dont. im a man of science and reason and everything i do is perfectly measured and precise and not left to chance. and shes like 'baby listen'... and you cut her off and puit your hand over your chest and just scream U.S.A! U.S.A! U.S.A!U.S.A!U.S.A!U.S.A! over and over until she divorces you and marries motherfucking permabanned forums user 'mommie dearest' and you still cant even admit to yourself that you maybe just didnt know how to cook an egg properly and thus were 'mediocre' at it ; the 'it' being egg-cookery 
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Sep 24, 2018 06:45
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Actually that doesn't sound mediocre it sounds extremely poor
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Sep 24, 2018 07:00
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Awwwww I miss mommie dearest.
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Sep 24, 2018 07:04
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al-azad posted:Which is closer to solving world hunger than a well seared steak.
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Hey um I don't think anyone is being an objective source when they say Babish is mediocre. If you watch and you're like eh I could do that better/with more panache, you're probably a better cook than him. If you watch and you're like wow I could never do that kudos Babish, he's probably a better cook than you. If you've literally ever seen a professional chef work, on TV or in person, you recognize that Babish's retinue of techniques is small and somewhat rough, not smooth and practiced. It's not a judgment about their worth, it is an appraisal of their ability level compared to other professionals in the food video arena. He'll get better, or worse if he stops practicing, and that's fine.
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Sep 24, 2018 13:43
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SubG posted:Oh god, imagine actually believing soylent is going to solve world hunger. loving soylent. True, but also imagine seeing soylent as a product of actual science.
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Sep 24, 2018 13:45
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Brawnfire posted:Hey um Mediocre doesn't mean bad, it's not a negative term as such, it's just... Middling. Mediocre. Unimpressive. al-azad posted:Which is closer to solving world hunger than a well seared steak. But I'm not arguing cooking is purely scientific, what I'm talking about is what criteria you're using to judge a person preparing recipes on camera unless you've prepared them yourself and deem it all wrong. Are you not arguing cooking is purely scientific? Like you said, there's no skill, right? It's just science. Degrees temperature, arc-minutes and newton-meters of arm movement, that's all there is to it. And who among us can judge science? Who has the Icarian hubris to fly in the face of forums user al-azad, when all he champions is the cause of scientific reason? Hey, al-azad, apply Occam's razor to this question. What's more likely, people spend billions of collective dollars and hours learning to cook and critiquing cooking because there is depth of skill and knowledge, or everyone has just been wasting their time since they haven't figured out what serious eats dot com is? SymmetryrtemmyS fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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Sep 24, 2018 14:33
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:Mediocre doesn't mean bad, it's not a negative term as such, it's just... Middling. Mediocre. Unimpressive. Right, it's such an odd description to take affront to. Like clearly this dude's not blowing the culinary world out of the water with uniquely remarkable techniques or flavor pairings. He's also not loving up and making poop pastries. He's good, just not great. So? He's just making TV meals on YouTube
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Sep 24, 2018 14:37
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I think there's a difference between good and mediocre. He's good enough to understand flavour and technique well enough to fix wierd dishes, he's probably not good enough to work a line and bang out 50 perfect dishes a night (or however many a line cook does)
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Sep 24, 2018 14:44
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coworker told me about some (I think euro) cooking show which is "science dude vs chef" and I guess the former gets wrecked. Anyone know what this may be?
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Sep 24, 2018 15:16
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tarbrush posted:I think there's a difference between good and mediocre. I'm still gunna keep watching and enjoying his stuff, it's good content and he's not bad by any means, but dude's got plenty of room to grow.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:34
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SymmetryrtemmyS posted:Mediocre doesn't mean bad, it's not a negative term as such, it's just... Middling. Mediocre. Unimpressive. I never said there's no skill in cooking. If you can't crack an egg without breaking the yoke that's a failure on your part, just like pouring water into acid makes you a bad chemist. What I found upsetting was the critique of his skill based on nothing but observation. You can analyze a visual medium based on presentation and take away from it the skill of the artist, the subtleness of a musician or singer. But to watch a guy cook online and just shrug your shoulders, where is the application of your depth of skill and knowledge?
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Sep 24, 2018 16:45
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Perhaps the criticism is difficult to put into words and is more of a nuanced sense based upon previous experiences of what constitutes good or bad cooking. I can tell when an artist is doing a bad job and I'm able to critique the reason I believe that because my education has provided me with the vocabulary to do so. Another person without that vocabulary might have difficulty describing their takeaway, but I don't see how that invalidates it. I mean, if you watch Chopped do you think "wow these people are certainly all cooking" and don't know/judge who is performing well because it's just a visual medium?
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Sep 24, 2018 17:06
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The real solution to world hunger is prolonged famine.
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Sep 24, 2018 17:17
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Brawnfire posted:Perhaps the criticism is difficult to put into words and is more of a nuanced sense based upon previous experiences of what constitutes good or bad cooking. I can tell when an artist is doing a bad job and I'm able to critique the reason I believe that because my education has provided me with the vocabulary to do so. Another person without that vocabulary might have difficulty describing their takeaway, but I don't see how that invalidates it. Chopped is an evaluation of skill because you're timed and the criteria includes presentation and taste but also integration of the secret ingredient. So you get people who are experts in their craft but they lose track of time and in that 30 seconds their pasta is mushy. Or the judges get a meal that wouldn't be out of place in a Michelin star menu but they didn't incorporate the secret ingredient in a unique way. People who succeed on Chopped aren't necessarily the best cooks, they're the ones who keep cool under pressure and can turn a mistake into a success. And maybe that practical application of their skill makes them better cooks than someone who can produce perfect food when there's no pressure, but that's what Chopped judges on. I get what you're saying, I'm just bothered by the implication that "this thing I observed is average because I say it is average."
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Sep 24, 2018 17:25
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Usain Bolt isn't the world's fastest runner, he's just the guy who practiced a lot and can run fast under pressure with an audience
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found it someone watch this and lmk if it's actually worthwhile https://www.netflix.com/title/80212222
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Sep 24, 2018 18:05
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I like Babish’s kitchen set up
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al-azad posted:
How else are we supposed to critique it??? How is it so unbelievable that people can watch the man cook and tell that he is not an expert? I can observe from your posting that your critical thinking skills are mediocre. I have studied critical thinking and I know the difference between mediocre, good, and exceptional. The counterfeit artist analogy is wildly awful as well. The artists skill isn’t in question unless he or she makes a mistake. It could be a flawless counterfeit, and I would consider that person a talented artist, but it’s still a counterfeit. It has nothing to do with this guy cooking things. Edit: there are verifiable skills in cooking that you can observe and, if you know what you’re observing, on which you can make qualitative judgements. For example: was his pan hot enough when he started? Did he execute a proper julienne? Did he add too much water to his dough? Did he overknead it? Does it taste how it’s supposed to? Did he burn the spices? Come on man. I haven’t even watched the video. Coming in to a thread where people who like to cook (or do it professionally, or both) and questioning their abilities to judge whether somebody knows how to cook or not is just so short sighted and frankly condescending. It might be crazy to you but cooking takes a lot of individual skills that all take practice. If I hand you a knife and you immediately cut yourself, I’m probably gonna think you’re not a good cook. The Maestro fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Sep 24, 2018 |
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