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I love gargano vs ciampa specifically because it's loving cornball. How could anyone be against that.
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Sep 23, 2018 03:46
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Lid posted:Jimmy Havoc did a promo/interview on PROGRESS doing Wembley Stadium, which is pretty huge Just to clarify - Progress have a show at Wembley Arena. Still a big deal - it’s where TNA used to do their really successful UK tapings but it’s like a 12,000 cap indoor venue and not the 80,000 or so outdoor place that WWE did for SummerSlam.
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Sep 23, 2018 04:44
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NienNunb posted:Gargano/Ciampa is the most cornball match I've ever seen, anyone who thinks it's a positive example of death match wrestling desperately needs to watch non-WWE produced shows. The_Rob posted:I love gargano vs ciampa specifically because it's loving cornball. How could anyone be against that. I'm just as confused as you are. I didn't realise there was deathmatch elitism, hell the one in AAA TripleMania was goofy as all hell and I don't remember these deathmatch Jim.Cornettes coming out to call on the purity of their avant garde performance art.
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Sep 23, 2018 05:56
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Gargano V Ciampa was a great match that has had its reputation tanked by being in a feud that has somehow become less and less violent with each match but contains more and more "what have my violent hands wrought" spots. More importantly though, who actually considers any of those matches a death match? They're hardcore matches but it doesn't really feel like a death match until someone at least does a back body drop on tacks.
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Sep 23, 2018 06:19
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They're not deathmatches, the point though is that (letting the idea of the feud pass) is that they are different again because of a loss of saturation of the idea of what is hardcore where everyone was doing hardcore. Jimmy Havoc's interview interview was specifically on that regarding hardcore matches that on top of people being untrained but hitting with weapons it made the barrier to entry just "how much pain can you take/dish out without feeling bad" rather than being a good wrestler and having hardcore matches be the peak of a feud, not the start of a feud or so run of the mill to become stagnant and boring and simply not special at all.
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Sep 23, 2018 06:37
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The_Rob posted:I love gargano vs ciampa specifically because it's loving cornball. How could anyone be against that. It's the bad type of cornball where it takes the melodrama seriously and it suffers for it. Good cornball is when it's in on the joke. I wouldn't hate it so much if people didn't treat it as the pinnacle of what wrestling should be. Lid posted:I'm just as confused as you are. I didn't realise there was deathmatch elitism, hell the one in AAA TripleMania was goofy as all hell and I don't remember these deathmatch Jim.Cornettes coming out to call on the purity of their avant garde performance art. Nobody's holding up the AAA match as being the best thing in wrestling and not overexposed while making GBS threads on actual good stuff.
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Sep 23, 2018 06:58
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The Gargano/Ciampa matches are over-produced and under-deliver. Both guys are very capable of putting on better, more violent matches but it's the main focus of NXT at the moment. I think in their minds it's supposed to be as dramatic as the Triple H/Shawn Michaels feud but they're stuck in NXT as the main attraction in an era that's generally a lot less violent so all their stuff looks a lot more goofy when they're not allowed to go 100%. They can kind of plan around big high spots but all they've REALLY got to work with are table spots and handcuffs. It pales in comparison to the Generico/Steen feud before they went to the WWE because they were given a lot more leeway with violence and it lead to a really famous/disgusting spot where Steen hit a brutal chairshot to Generico and signed his own name with the blood pouring out of Generico's forehead into a match that really had no boundaries as far as violence went. The feud is kind of cut off at the knees because it SHOULD be more violent than the WWE allows but there's nothing they can really do about it and they don't have the clout that Orton/Jeff Hardy could pull in Hell in a Cell which looked absolutely disgusting.
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Sep 23, 2018 07:01
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I don't like death matches or even blading I was just disappointed in how they drew out the feud and ruined it
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Sep 23, 2018 07:15
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:It's the bad type of cornball where it takes the melodrama seriously and it suffers for it. Good cornball is when it's in on the joke. I wouldn't hate it so much if people didn't treat it as the pinnacle of what wrestling should be. Absolutely not. Good cornball is when people take their melodrama seriously. Bad cornball is when they're in on the joke. There's nothing worst than a couple dorks winking at me the whole time going isn't this dumb?
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Sep 23, 2018 15:52
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Lid posted:They're not deathmatches, the point though is that (letting the idea of the feud pass) is that they are different again because of a loss of saturation of the idea of what is hardcore where everyone was doing hardcore. Jimmy Havoc's interview interview was specifically on that regarding hardcore matches that on top of people being untrained but hitting with weapons it made the barrier to entry just "how much pain can you take/dish out without feeling bad" rather than being a good wrestler and having hardcore matches be the peak of a feud, not the start of a feud or so run of the mill to become stagnant and boring and simply not special at all.
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Sep 23, 2018 16:46
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I stand by the first Ciampa vs Gargano plunder match being good. Them returning to the same well 3 times was bad with diminishing returns each time
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Sep 23, 2018 17:02
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HBK/HHH matches were always lovely wankfests. If that's what they were going for, mission accomplished.
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Sep 23, 2018 19:25
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The_Rob posted:Absolutely not. Good cornball is when people take their melodrama seriously. Bad cornball is when they're in on the joke. There's nothing worst than a couple dorks winking at me the whole time going isn't this dumb? Seriously that poo poo is why there’s a million fuckin Sharknado movies and boy nearly enough Miami Connections
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Sep 23, 2018 20:01
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The Gargano/Ciampa matches would probably have more impact if their entire history wasn't "we got put together in a tournament, did tags for two years, and then lost the titles, so now we're trying to straight up murder each other"
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Sep 23, 2018 20:06
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I'm glad those boys are getting paid/alive. That's about it. I dunno why people keep WWE expecting to do right with good wrestlers when WWE's history is built on doing the laziest poo poo because they can still pack an arena.
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Sep 23, 2018 20:57
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https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1043915356916645888
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Sep 23, 2018 22:52
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Kenny has been working on this seemingly forever: https://twitter.com/kenjohnson1028/status/1044021051565461504
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Sep 24, 2018 01:32
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Mick Foley just did the first of two nights here for his show where he waived his fee and raised $7,500 for the local humane society. Good dude and funny show.
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Sep 24, 2018 01:33
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I actually caught an old TNA episode on TV or Twitch the other week and saw PCO as X vs Christopher Daniels and Sonjay Dutt (the only match of the show I actually stopped to watch) and it was so weird seeing him a decade ago. Almost as weird as Daniels looking almost exactly the same.
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Sep 24, 2018 01:37
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https://twitter.com/GCWrestling_/status/1044020249518067712
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Sep 24, 2018 01:50
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ooh. that venue is in jersey city, but it's literally faster for me to get from north brooklyn to there via public transit than it is to evolve's recent venues. it's also very close to downtown jersey city, which has lots of cool poo poo, like barcade, and i assume a lot of hotels and stuff. very smart pick and much better than i was expecting, though i wonder if that means someone else is going to have the melrose ballroom (where gcw ran the joey janela show last month, where impact is running BFG, and where MLW has been running in NYC)?
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Sep 24, 2018 02:02
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I think NOVA’s gonna run there I bet. I was pricing out that trip and hating myself this weekend. Also you can see me in the PCO video lol.
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Sep 24, 2018 02:32
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Seriously that poo poo is why there’s a million fuckin Sharknado movies and boy nearly enough Miami Connections There's a difference between being funny bad and being corny nonsense. Gargano/Ciampa isn't The Room, it's a lovely Oscar bait movie that devolved into cringeworthy melodrama after a good opening act.
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Sep 24, 2018 02:47
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AHS crossover confirmed.
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Sep 24, 2018 03:35
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RealFoxy posted:It pales in comparison to the Generico/Steen feud before they went to the WWE probably my favorite bloodfeud that I can remember in the last decade (but I also don't watch a lot of lucha or Japanese stuff outside of NJPW so maybe I am missing one) KungFu Grip posted:I stand by the first Ciampa vs Gargano plunder match being good. Them returning to the same well 3 times was bad with diminishing returns each time Agreed
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Sep 24, 2018 04:22
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Going to guess the collective involves at minimum: GCW, Beyond, NOVA and CHIKARA. I'd love to see SHIMMER break free of WWN but I fear that Prazak is too tied in/lazy to escape their garbage orbit.
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Sep 24, 2018 04:30
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Cory Lidle posted:Going to guess the collective involves at minimum: GCW, Beyond, NOVA and CHIKARA.
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Sep 24, 2018 06:48
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I'd like to see GCW use their BJW ties to have a BJW show on there, or at least some BJW guys on the cards that run. Masashi Takeda deserves a breakout Wrestlemania weekend so that people can appreciate how good he is and not carry on in their broken brained "deathmatch wrestling is for poo poo wrestlers" takes.
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Sep 24, 2018 07:02
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davidbix posted:Of course, WWN would actually have to be running their own shows Mania weekend for DP to even have to make that decision. And as the months go on, it's looking less and less likely that it happens. Either they're waiting on WWE (since there's still no Axxess venue), they can't find a suitable venue (there are numerous factors in play here), or both. Thought it was a lock they were running La Boom Mania weekend.
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Sep 24, 2018 16:19
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davidbix posted:Of course, WWN would actually have to be running their own shows Mania weekend for DP to even have to make that decision. And as the months go on, it's looking less and less likely that it happens. Either they're waiting on WWE (since there's still no Axxess venue), they can't find a suitable venue (there are numerous factors in play here), or both.
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Sep 25, 2018 01:28
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https://twitter.com/aiwrestling/status/1044401121119358977
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Sep 25, 2018 03:27
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AIW is in on that Collective thing for Mania weekend
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Sep 25, 2018 03:36
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Ah poo poo I guess I've got to start going back to AIW shows in November. It's been a couple months. I guess Tim Donst is a champion there now though and I always like seeing him.
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Sep 25, 2018 03:48
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rovert posted:Thought it was a lock they were running La Boom Mania weekend. Once they announce, I should probably use that as an opportunity to the story behind the story, because there's some stuff going on here that isn't even that well known within wrestling.
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Sep 25, 2018 05:46
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How and where Beyond Wrestling falls will be interesting. Drew has ties to equal sides of the divide. Will CZW exist then too!
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Sep 25, 2018 05:48
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I believe Gabe already confirmed on Twitter WWN wouldn't be running anything on Saturday, which makes sense between NXT and ROH+NJPW.
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Sep 25, 2018 05:58
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Shigehiro Irie has left DDT to spend more time overseas, so anyone in the Midwest, keep an eye out for him as he'll probably start showing up there a lot. abraham linksys posted:I believe Gabe already confirmed on Twitter WWN wouldn't be running anything on Saturday, which makes sense between NXT and ROH+NJPW. drat now I won't be able to make hilarious jokes about watching Style Battle when Takeover/Supercard is on. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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Sep 25, 2018 09:15
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but will wrestle circus run
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Sep 25, 2018 09:47
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Isn't Highspots running Time Square? Or did I just think that during a fever dream?
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Sep 25, 2018 09:58
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rovert posted:How and where Beyond Wrestling falls will be interesting. PROGRESS is sticking with because co-opted little doggies run in packs.
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Sep 25, 2018 11:24
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