TSLA: When this baby hits 88 you're going to see some serious shit

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Eeyo: Aug 29, 2004

mewse posted:

the nerdboner is for automated intersections without lights where cars cross-stitch across the intersection

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:13

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Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

absolutely

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:13

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Sagebrush posted:

I bet that rail spur's looking pretty good rn

Ciaphas posted:

i'm waiting excitedly for the media to make this connection

infernal machines posted:

you may be waiting a while

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-25/making-sense-of-tesla-s-deepening-crisis

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:13

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

I'm going to invent a device that you can stick on the back of your car that works kind of like a T-shirt cannon, except it fires a package that inflates into a mylar balloon the size and shape of human, so you can deploy it into the road and stop all the self-driving cars behind you

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:16

Zlodo: Nov 25, 2006

Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

just put pedestrians on self driving segways

if anything it would make for a cool looking dystopian sci-fi urban setting

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:19

TerminalRaptor: Nov 6, 2012; Mostly Harmless

mewse posted:

What if a CPU, but cars instead of electrons?

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:23

FrozenVent: May 1, 2009; The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Sagebrush posted:

I'm going to invent a device that you can stick on the back of your car that works kind of like a T-shirt cannon, except it fires a package that inflates into a mylar balloon the size and shape of human, so you can deploy it into the road and stop all the self-driving cars behind you

future a team movie looking good

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:25

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Ooh yeah good call. The balloon will be printed with an image of B.A. Baracus

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:26

Roosevelt: Jul 18, 2009; I'm looking for the man who shot my paw.

Sagebrush posted:

Ooh yeah good call. The balloon will be printed with an image of B.A. Baracus

if you're expecting an eloncar to stop you're going to need to pick one of the other 3 members

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:30

the onion wizard: Apr 14, 2004

Sagebrush posted:

I'm going to invent a device that you can stick on the back of your car that works kind of like a T-shirt cannon, except it fires a package that inflates into a mylar balloon the size and shape of human, so you can deploy it into the road and stop all the self-driving cars behind you

This technique, but as a car paint job:

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:35

Best Bi Geek Squid: Mar 25, 2016

Sagebrush posted:

I'm going to invent a device that you can stick on the back of your car that works kind of like a T-shirt cannon, except it fires a package that inflates into a mylar balloon the size and shape of human, so you can deploy it into the road and stop all the self-driving cars behind you

as we have seen though, self driving cars do not stop for pedestrians

fake edit: although it might steer into a concrete barrier if the pedestrian is a ceo and the only passengers are cats

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:45

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

the onion wizard posted:

This technique, but as a car paint job:

i'd really like to have a sticker that teslas et al interpret as a stop sign on the back of my car

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:45

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the onion wizard posted:

This technique, but as a car paint job:

i have no idea what any of this is

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:46

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

if it worked as intended it would actually be safer since you would pause the intersection for pedestrians and cars would not be able to enter the crosswalks since they aren't human controlled.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:52

OldAlias: Nov 2, 2013

graph posted:

i have no idea what any of this is

looks like computer vision classification getting confused

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:54

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

graph posted:

i have no idea what any of this is

It's a picture of a turtle whose shell has been modified (either painted or photoshopped, probably the latter) in a subtle way that causes computer vision systems to interpret it as a rifle

it's a very good example of how these classifiers are not based on anything like a human mind and do not work (or fail) in the ways you would expect. whatever this system is using to identify a turtle, it clearly isn't what people think of as turtle-like features.

Consider this in the context of Tesla computer vision trying to identify things like stop signs or pedestrians

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 25, 2018

# ? Sep 25, 2018 16:56

univbee: Jun 3, 2004

Sagebrush posted:

It's a picture of a turtle whose shell has been modified (either painted or photoshopped, probably the latter) in a subtle way that causes computer vision systems to interpret it as a rifle

it's not photoshopped

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc

by which i mean it's an actual physical object, the design of the shell may have come from some pc software

univbee fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 25, 2018

# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:01

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mewse posted:

the nerdboner is for automated intersections without lights where cars cross-stitch across the intersection

good luck trying to cross that street holy poo poo

# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:05

Not a Children: Oct 9, 2012; Don't need a holster if you never stop shooting.

Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

My Linux Rig posted:

good luck trying to cross that street holy poo poo

Feature, not a bug

Half the point of these systems are to isolate the haves from the have-nots

# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:09

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mewse posted:

the nerdboner is for automated intersections without lights where cars cross-stitch across the intersection

hello all of my intersections in cities skylines

# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:58

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Sagebrush posted:

It's a picture of a turtle whose shell has been modified (either painted or photoshopped, probably the latter) in a subtle way that causes computer vision systems to interpret it as a rifle

it's a very good example of how these classifiers are not based on anything like a human mind and do not work (or fail) in the ways you would expect. whatever this system is using to identify a turtle, it clearly isn't what people think of as turtle-like features.

Consider this in the context of Tesla computer vision trying to identify things like stop signs or pedestrians

its almost like computers are terrible and shouldn't be used

# ? Sep 25, 2018 17:59

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
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mewse posted:

the nerdboner is for automated intersections without lights where cars cross-stitch across the intersection

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:18

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

it's fundamentally incapable of handling reality, in which acceleration, mass, and unanticipated road conditions are a thing

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:21

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

whoops, a loose piece of gravel means you lost traction for 1/10th of a second, 300 hundred people are now dead or dying in cars that are inaccessible to any emergency vehicles

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:22

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

*picture of fire truck*

GARAGE
ONRAMP
TARGET

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:25

Combat Theory: Jul 16, 2017

Eeyo posted:

this kind of infrastructure seems fundamentally incapable of handling pedestrians.

Pedestrians get a tunnel. we dont have a boring company for decorative purposes

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:30

Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

Sagebrush posted:

It's a picture of a turtle whose shell has been modified (either painted or photoshopped, probably the latter) in a subtle way that causes computer vision systems to interpret it as a rifle

it's a very good example of how these classifiers are not based on anything like a human mind and do not work (or fail) in the ways you would expect. whatever this system is using to identify a turtle, it clearly isn't what people think of as turtle-like features.

Consider this in the context of Tesla computer vision trying to identify things like stop signs or pedestrians

this is right *except* that deep learnings issues with overfit and adversierial attacks is that different from humans. it is a lot harder to grind or adversarial attacks against humans, but stuff like escher drawings messing with the perception of 3d space, the migraine-inducing picture of the woman with the doubled up eyes, and even many forms of camouflage all rely on details of the automatic part of human preception

to a great extent the issue is that humans have higher level mechanisms to deal with confused vision, and we have no clue how to build that without just inventing strong AI, which is unlikely to come out of deep learning

# ? Sep 25, 2018 18:30

heated game moment: Oct 30, 2003; Lipstick Apathy

abigserve posted:

lol I must have missed this being linked before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPYpD1Knpw

a video of a tesla driving on an exceedingly well marked country road with basically no other traffic manages to almost lose traction several times and culminates in a beeping warning as it literally goes into the gravel on the side of the road for a second

how is this allowed to exist, seriously

getting pulled over for drunk driving in your autonomous car

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:04

heated game moment: Oct 30, 2003; Lipstick Apathy

FAUXTON posted:

*picture of fire truck*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNhJQpBU1Y&t=27s

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:07

Dixie Cretin Seaman: Jan 22, 2008; all hat and one catte; Hot Rope Guy

death_intersection.gif comes from these guys
they have a paper that attempts to address failure modes and it's pretty funny

quote:

First, we assume that the intersection manager is able to detect when something has gone wrong. While this is certainly a non-trivial assumption, it is necessary for any reasonable solution. Simply put, the intersection manager cannot react to something it cannot detect. There are two basic ways by which the intersection manager could detect that a vehicle has encountered some sort of problem: the vehicle can inform the intersection manager, or the intersection manager can detect the vehicle directly.
...
Each has advantages and disadvantages, and a combination of the two would most likely be the safest. The specifics of the implementation are beyond the scope of this paper.
...
Because our simulations only deal with collisions, we assume that the colliding vehicle sends a signal and the intersection manager becomes aware of the situation immediately.
...
As we suspected, the average crash log without the safety measures is quite grisly....Figure 3 shows that for both 6-lane cases�fully autonomous and 5% human drivers�the rate of collisions does not abate until over 70 vehicles have crashed. Even a full 60 seconds after the incident begins, vehicles are still colliding.

sure hope the crashed car gets out a warning to the intersection manager in time
also hope it isn't trivial to spoof those warning signals and gently caress poo poo up for the lulz

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:16

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

it's fine as a university level thought experiment, the problem is credulous popsci idiots taking it and saying look, the future is now!

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:19

prisoner of waffles: May 8, 2007; Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.

Not a Children posted:

Feature, not a bug

Half the point of these systems are to isolate the haves from the have-nots

the other half is investor storytime
e: if not pure "applied" "research" wankery

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:20

Two Ton 21: Dec 6, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Who the gently caress fell down the elevator shaft?

Elon Musk can't even have elevator doors that close right at gf1

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:36

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

I think I remember that intersection from Dead Space 2.

Qwijib0 posted:

found this new explanation for the no-rail-at-the-factory

it's an angle I hadn't heard or thought of but if it's true is there some low level of trains where it's not worth running them? (also surely someone else would have unearthed the minutes from these local meetings with the number of twitter gumshoes)

That's...not a great angle. Companies, competent ones at least, know how to circumvent NIMBY ordinances and policies. It's...not a very complicated process to subvert ordinances and municipal government.

edit: not that doing so is good, of course! the inability to maintain some sort of zoning plan is the wellspring of an often underestimated proportion of harm and inequality in the US. But, I mean, companies know how to do it.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Sep 25, 2018

# ? Sep 25, 2018 19:56

President Beep: Apr 30, 2009; i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Discendo Vox posted:

I think I remember that intersection from Dead Space 2.

That's...not a great angle. Companies, competent ones at least, know how to circumvent NIMBY ordinances and policies. It's...not a very complicated process to subvert ordinances and municipal government.

yeah, a big part of development success is knowing how to get around this stuff and speak the language, or having the money and wherewithal to hire someone that does.

# ? Sep 25, 2018 20:02

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

what if you build a tunnel for the rail

# ? Sep 25, 2018 20:57

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

what if you run the rail through a tube?

also take all the air out of the tube, so wind resistance isn't an issue

# ? Sep 25, 2018 20:59

My Linux Rig: Mar 27, 2010; Can't post for 6 years!

Not a Children posted:

Feature, not a bug

Half the point of these systems are to isolate the haves from the have-nots

the have and have-nots (been killed by a herd of cars)

# ? Sep 25, 2018 21:06

Bhodi: Dec 9, 2007; Oh, it's just a cat.; Pillbug

Roosevelt posted:

if you're expecting an eloncar to stop you're going to need to pick one of the other 3 members

this was a great joke that deserved a little recognition

Bhodi fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 25, 2018

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gschmidl: Sep 3, 2011; watch with knife hands

What if you just took a locomotive and strapped rocket boosters to it?

# ? Sep 25, 2018 21:17

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