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Cybernetic Vermin posted:would i fire an employee going 'it is not rape if you're drunk' in a public discussion about the harassment policy of a trade show the company was organizing? yes, yes i would this is perfectly reasonable, so will fly over the heads of any of the anti-coc trolls. that post meritocracy manifesto sounds dumb as poo poo, but maybe dont post your lovely beliefs about rape/gender/race/religion for the entire world to see, and you wont have the sjws chasing you with pitchforks. wayland works fine out of the box in fedora, but im only using it now because its literally the path of least resistance. if i had to put 5 minutes of time into it, thered be no point to using it. it sounds like theyre making progress on screen sharing and some other things but thats a pretty low bar. firefox support has been "very soon" for a long time. id settle for 2018 being the year of firefox supporting wayland, but i doubt that will even happen: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=Wayland
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Personally, I’m not cut out to go to these undergraduate parties where they get girls drunk to rape them, so both the perpetrators and the victims can go burn in hell for all I care!! - Code of Conflict, section 3 subsection 14
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Soricidus posted:women have been complaining about ts’o’s rape apology ever since he said those things. it’s not some new thing where rabid sjws are seeing a coc and immediately going digging through random people’s post histories looking for things to take out of context and be offended by No it isn't, absolutely not. But two things to remember - The general public associates rape with violence. I'm sure that will change in my lifetime, which is good. So publicly calling someone a rape apologist carries a whole different connotation. The second is that survivors of violent sexual assault (not all of which are women) may well agree with Theo. Dismissing his opinion is dismissing theirs as well. It's not a good thing to speak for entire classes of people.
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Max Facetime posted:Personally, I’m not cut out to go to these undergraduate parties where they get girls drunk to rape them, so both the perpetrators and the victims can go burn in hell for all I care!! You know, he would agree with you that deliberately getting someone drunk is rape. Also, not all rape victims are women.
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my advice to theo is twofold: start going by the nickname "general" because everyone loves general tsos chicken, and every time you feel like writing 20 paragraphs about rape, consider writing something about linux instead
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Helicity posted:wayland works fine out of the box in fedora, but im only using it now because its literally the path of least resistance. if i had to put 5 minutes of time into it, thered be no point to using it. it sounds like theyre making progress on screen sharing and some other things but thats a pretty low bar. So far it seems like it's just going to be another layer on the leaning tower of X. nVidia isn't even getting behind it.
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Like, is the entire linux graphical stack still trying to solve the 1983 problem of their being hundreds of types of dumb terminals?
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SYSV Fanfic posted:You know, he would agree with you that deliberately getting someone drunk is rape. Also, not all rape victims are women. it’s not whether he thinks something is or isn’t rape where his problem is, his problem is he seems to think that a little bit of rape isn’t that much of a problem between friends or drunk undergrads
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Helicity posted:my advice to theo is twofold: start going by the nickname "general" because everyone loves general tsos chicken, and every time you feel like writing 20 paragraphs about rape, consider writing something about linux instead
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Max Facetime posted:it’s not whether he thinks something is or isn’t rape where his problem is, his problem is he seems to think that a little bit of rape isn’t that much of a problem between friends or drunk undergrads Yeah. I can't speak to the rest of the world but the US is still trying to figure out how to define that, much less deal with it in a just way for both people. It isn't for me or anyone else to tell someone whether they were raped. What justice should be depends on the circumstance and that's something the US has to decide on. I'm only saying Ts'os' opinions aren't outside the norm for the US. He is a google's employee (who didn't censure him) that contributes to the kernel project. What Sharp did played into the fears that the CoC would be applied to police general beliefs rather than actions. I'm the treasurer of a dork organization that had the same growing pains. We never would have gotten a sensible harassment policy without taking people's concerns seriously. In the end some people still left on principle (the board of directors shouldn't be able to ban people), but we reached something we could mostly agree on. Linus is finally loosening his grip on how kernel development is done, and like I said I hope to see a system like Debian replace the dictatorship. SYSV Fanfic fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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ESR has always been a little sniveling poo poo about licensing. https://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses-license.html TL/DR - ESR acts like a diva for his contributions to ncurses, holding the GNU project hostage since so much depended on it.
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Tankakern posted:and who the gently caress cares what esr has to say about anything
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Gazpacho posted:he has intimate access to a copyright attorney It's so funny how quickly these freedom-of-speech, snowflake-calling dorks will censor and whine at people when their privilege is questioned. It would be nice if his face had intimate access to a fart. xtal fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Sep 25, 2018 |
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Sure, Linux developers are smart, but not that smart. If all of the lovely toxic people (Torvalds, T'so) stepped down, they'd be able to continue to maintain the kernel just fine. So please just eject the terrible people. Then maybe smarter people who are smart enough to know not to deal with such a toxic environment might finally join. Probably not, but might.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Athena widgets by default. Red Hat started the Wayland push in 2013 with me & Giovanni leading the project, then I stepped aside to go to Endless in 2014 and Giovanni went to grad school. Since then, Jonas, Oliver and Rui have been carrying the torch from the Red Hat side. Wayland is usable today, but a big reason complicated is because there's just *a lot* to do. Similar to WMs: making a toy compositor is simple, but making a serious, production-ready one is hard. The original intention of Wayland was "compositors are 500loc and it's simple", with Weston (then called "wayland-demos") being just a reference & experimental implementation, but as we put more and more into mutter and Wayland, that strategy quickly became untenable and that's where you see e.g. libweston step in. If you use a toy WM like i3 and want to use a toy Wayland compositor, sure, something like sway is fine and works for you today. In fact, features like "when I plug in the external monitor it should turn on and autoconfigure" are seen as a negative in that world. But turns out there's a lot of complexity in that sort of plumbing.
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x1 carbon 6th gen firmware 1.30 trip report: after switching sleep mode to "Linux", all of the weird sleep/wakeup issues have totally disappeared, my session has not crashed after wakeup, bluetooth has kept working after wakeup, battery drains less during sleep who thought s0i3 sleep was a good idea again? so a mail client can check email once in a while when the laptop is asleep or stuff like that, accoridng to what im reading? who wants that in a laptop, what problem does that actually solve? i am very pleasantly surprised with the firmware update to allow s3 sleep, thanks lenovo, thlenovo
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xtal posted:It's so funny how quickly these freedom-of-speech, snowflake-calling dorks will censor and whine at people when their privilege is questioned. It would be nice if a chunk of lead had intimate access to his face. He has pretty marked cerebral palsy and I'm not sure how well he sees or hears. I recall reading somewhere that he was once mocked by Bill Gates at a talk in the early 1980s in part because how he asked his question. I'm not really sure his place in the kyriarchy but I don't know how privileged I'd say he is. It's likely he has some cognitive dysfunction and I think I remember reading somewhere about epilepsy. I know he can't have caffeine because his heart is weak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7pSfWpTvC4 I really bought into the Revolution OS hype as a late teen. When I turned 21 I realized how weird everyone in the movement was. I'm not sure there is a single person worth idolizing in tech.
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i switched to kde. i think it's more thought out with regards to configuration than gnome 3 ever was. there's a bug in konsole with display scaling where updated text sometimes gets underlined. i don't think it's using wayland but i dont really care. i just realized now there's probably their own kde login manager i should look into if i want to complete the experience.
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Suspicious Dish posted:Red Hat started the Wayland push in 2013 with me & Giovanni leading the project, then I stepped aside to go to Endless in 2014 and Giovanni went to grad school. Since then, Jonas, Oliver and Rui have been carrying the torch from the Red Hat side. I remember reading a blurb about wayland in 2009 or 2010 and I recall it being pitched as an alternative to X on super lightweight devices. How is/did endless go? I stopped posting around the time you guys launched and I never really followed up? quote:If you use a toy WM like i3 and want to use a toy Wayland compositor, sure, something like sway is fine and works for you today. In fact, features like "when I plug in the external monitor it should turn on and autoconfigure" are seen as a negative in that world. But turns out there's a lot of complexity in that sort of plumbing. Yes... One of my two attempts to contribute to the kernel was to create a way to maintain aspect ratio on external monitors for laptops with intel HD graphics. The only way was unsuitable for inclusion (imo) and I gave up quick on trying to understand xlib so you could set the mode through xrandr.
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esr has always been a minor figure in open source who’s been able to greatly inflate his importance by spending a lot of time engaging with “pop” news sites like slashdot and hn. his technical contributions — both code and design — pale next to those of thousands of other contributors who’ve gone nameless outside their communities because they aren’t egomaniacs. his net overall contributions are basically negative because of his repeated and inevitable toxic blow-ups that destroy months of time for the actually productive contributors. go look at that ncurses timeline and try to reconstruct an alternate history in which esr never showed up
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hifi posted:i switched to kde. i think it's more thought out with regards to configuration than gnome 3 ever was. there's a bug in konsole with display scaling where updated text sometimes gets underlined. i don't think it's using wayland but i dont really care. i just realized now there's probably their own kde login manager i should look into if i want to complete the experience. If your going all in on KDE they have their own distro. https://neon.kde.org/
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the only setting i'm still missing in vanilla kde is an option for maximize to fill free desktop space instead of just going fullscreen. kwin-tiling works fine for now, thoughLysidas posted:who thought s0i3 sleep was a good idea again? so a mail client can check email once in a while when the laptop is asleep or stuff like that, accoridng to what im reading? who wants that in a laptop, what problem does that actually solve? but then you have to wait about half a second for your new emails to arrive!!1
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rjmccall posted:esr has always been a minor figure in open source who’s been able to greatly inflate his importance by spending a lot of time engaging with “pop” news sites like slashdot and hn. his technical contributions — both code and design — pale next to those of thousands of other contributors who’ve gone nameless outside their communities because they aren’t egomaniacs. his net overall contributions are basically negative because of his repeated and inevitable toxic blow-ups that destroy months of time for the actually productive contributors. go look at that ncurses timeline and try to reconstruct an alternate history in which esr never showed up Even his contributions to ncurses weren't all that technical. He mostly created all the terminfo entries. I mostly knew him from his garbage version of the jargon file. As someone with a genetic illness I feel badly for the guy. I'm sure he derives the entirety of his self worth from his identity as the last of the old school hackers because of being trapped in a garbage body his entire life. Instead of saying maybe we should change our culture to be more inclusive he's likely externalizing the abuse and isolation he's faced because for the only time in his life he's superior to.. someone?
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SYSV Fanfic posted:He has pretty marked cerebral palsy and I'm not sure how well he sees or hears. I recall reading somewhere that he was once mocked by Bill Gates at a talk in the early 1980s in part because how he asked his question. I'm not really sure his place in the kyriarchy but I don't know how privileged I'd say he is. It's likely he has some cognitive dysfunction and I think I remember reading somewhere about epilepsy. I know he can't have caffeine because his heart is weak.
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Lysidas posted:x1 carbon 6th gen firmware 1.30 trip report: after switching sleep mode to "Linux", all of the weird sleep/wakeup issues have totally disappeared, my session has not crashed after wakeup, bluetooth has kept working after wakeup, battery drains less during sleep Same they even joined lvfs project so you dont need to create a bootable usb everytime, juste use fwupd to update
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SYSV Fanfic posted:I remember reading a blurb about wayland in 2009 or 2010 and I recall it being pitched as an alternative to X on super lightweight devices. I ended up disillusioned and left a year and a half ago. Didn't end up working out for me in the long run, but I still think it was a great move. A few months ago they had a round of layoffs. It's a great place if you want to work on Linux poo poo all day funded by a billionaire (sound familiar?). Don't go there to actually ship products.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:He has pretty marked cerebral palsy and I'm not sure how well he sees or hears. I recall reading somewhere that he was once mocked by Bill Gates at a talk in the early 1980s in part because how he asked his question. I'm not really sure his place in the kyriarchy but I don't know how privileged I'd say he is. It's likely he has some cognitive dysfunction and I think I remember reading somewhere about epilepsy. I know he can't have caffeine because his heart is weak. there are millions of people on this planet who have cerebral palsy and only one of them actually wrote : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5001
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SYSV Fanfic posted:The second is that survivors of violent sexual assault (not all of which are women) may well agree with Theo. Dismissing his opinion is dismissing theirs as well. It's not a good thing to speak for entire classes of people. Go gently caress yourself.
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fritz posted:there are millions of people on this planet who have cerebral palsy and only one of them actually wrote : http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=5001 I'm not defending his views. I'm just saying I feel badly for him the same way I feel badly for the woman who got memed as triggly puff. You can think someone's views are garbage and still have compassion. Most white people can't even admit they are racist, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.
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Peeny Cheez posted:Hey, I'm one of those people you're trying to use as rhetorical ammunition. There is an arrest warrant and extradition order lodged in every country with an extradition order for my rapist. If he is ever extradited he faces 40 years in prison for my case alone. Does my experience not count?
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SYSV Fanfic posted:So yeah since you went there, you are entitled to your opinion on theo's poo poo but don't dare speak for me. are you a maskenfreiheit alt?
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jit bull transpile posted:are you a maskenfreiheit alt? No. Look at my reg date. Extremely hosed up poo poo happens to a lot of people.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:So yeah since you went there, you are entitled to your opinion on theo's poo poo but don't dare speak for me.
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Peeny Cheez posted:But I didn't try to do that and I didn't speculate about your opinions or anyone else's so double gently caress yourself for trying to pull this poo poo. "As someone who falls into the later group..." - yeah you did. You didn't consider for a loving second I could be talking about myself. I'm good and triggered, but my opinion as a survivor of first class rape of a child Theo is not a "rape apologist" in any way that would justify him being removed. If Sharp wanted an independent committee to evaluate harassment claims she picked a really, really lovely way to go about it. So enjoy my meltdown and buy me a custom AV if you guys are pissed about it. I couldn't let it go and I'm sorry for going on about it for pages. Maybe it will die down I don't know... gently caress. sorry.
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